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« Reply #45 on: August 01, 2007, 10:51:40 PM »
Nice response.

Let's see if I can sum it up for you.


A group of people decide to try and help kids in abusive residential treatment.  They spend lots of time and money trying to get the message out.  They get their name out and try to ally with as many other similar organizations as possible (to create a larger voice).  One of these organizations happens to link to another organization which has a pretty insane leader.  

The original organization will not associate with the insane leader of the 3rd party one.  But they don't try to force their views on one of their allies who links to her site, albeit with a warning.  

So, now instead of the original organization's members, who have dedicated themselves to helping to fix the problems, being good people who are willing to spend their time helping.  All the sudden they are every curse word in the book? Just like that?

You are wrong.  And how easy it is to tell.  Not only do you need to check yourself and your sense of entitlement on the internet (why is it that people don't usually rant with every curse word they can think of face to face...only on the internet?), but you should be thanking the very people you love to hate so much.

Have fun ranting on fornits... Meanwhile I bet CAFETY will be spending their money to travel to various conferences to start things changing.

Paranoia will get you so far, then it will fuck everything up buddy.
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« Reply #46 on: August 01, 2007, 11:24:53 PM »
The anti-wwasps movement has always been vulnerable to exploitation sinking to an all time low when a few rogue survivors (and so called advocates) decided it was okay to sell kids into programs as long as they weren't WWASPS.

Where and how this mentality developed is a matter of opinion, but most people would probably agree it started around the time PURE showed up on the scene.

Cafety appears to have spun off a couple of anti-wwasps groups (and others)  led by survivors which has been a good thing for the most part, even if they don't view orgs like PURE and CAICA as part of the problem, not the solution.

Why not focus on educating these survivor led groups on the "bigger picture" so they can mobilize their efforts on working to abolish the ed con and child-for-profit referral industry?

Expose corruption, exploitation and profiteering wherever you find it and don't ever negotiate with the enemy for to do so is a sign of weakness, not strength.
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« Reply #47 on: August 01, 2007, 11:30:51 PM »
It's very important to understand that people making accusation after accusation have close to zero first hand knowledge of what is actually happening.

As for the last response, CAFETY actually has not spun off of other organizations and they do not collaborate or even really recognize CAICA or PURE.  At least I don't think they do, and I would challenge you to find where they do.

There really is no controversy here. The only controversy is from people who, frankly, don't know what they are talking about or who are making paranoid connections where none really exist.
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« Reply #48 on: August 01, 2007, 11:36:19 PM »
My bad, I think I mis-read the above comment.  You were saying after cafety, other groups spun off of them? I would agree there has been an influx of organizations popping up lately.
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« Reply #49 on: August 01, 2007, 11:36:41 PM »
Here come old flattop he come grooving up slowly
He got joo-joo eyeball he one holy roller
He got hair down to his knee
Got to be a joker he just do what he please

He wear no shoeshine he got toe-jam football
He got monkey finger he shoot coca-cola
He say "I know you, you know me"
One thing I can tell you is you got to be free
Come together right now over me

He bag production he got walrus gumboot
He got Ono sideboard he one spinal cracker
He got feet down below his knee
Hold you in his armchair you can feel his disease
Come together right now over me

He roller-coaster he got early warning
He got muddy water he one mojo filter
He say "One and one and one is three"
Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to see
Come together right now over me  ::peace:: ::heart::  :)
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« Reply #50 on: August 01, 2007, 11:37:50 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
It's very important to understand that people making accusation after accusation have close to zero first hand knowledge of what is actually happening.

As for the last response, CAFETY actually has not spun off of other organizations and they do not collaborate or even really recognize CAICA or PURE.  At least I don't think they do, and I would challenge you to find where they do.

There really is no controversy here. The only controversy is from people who, frankly, don't know what they are talking about or who are making paranoid connections where none really exist.


Niggah puhlease...

The only thing most of us really want is CAFETY to stop linking with the NYRA.

Stop trying to brush the link between the NYRA and CAICA under the rug. You going to forget about the shit Isabelle pulled with Whitmore on her little blog?

If you want Alex, who is willing to look away from Isabelle shitting all over every kid and parent damaged by the Sudweeks then you are a serious mental lightweight.
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« Reply #51 on: August 01, 2007, 11:43:00 PM »
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At least I don't think they do, and I would challenge you to find where they do.

This sounds like a real arguement nice bold statement.....I don't think they do...geeez come up with something that is fact yourself, since you have so much inside information.
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« Reply #52 on: August 01, 2007, 11:47:10 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
It's very important to understand that people making accusation after accusation have close to zero first hand knowledge of what is actually happening.

As for the last response, CAFETY actually has not spun off of other organizations and they do not collaborate or even really recognize CAICA or PURE.  At least I don't think they do, and I would challenge you to find where they do.

There really is no controversy here. The only controversy is from people who, frankly, don't know what they are talking about or who are making paranoid connections where none really exist.


Man, you are arrogant, and you won't even identify yourself.  You're insulting.  I'm in contact with A START a lot, and I do know what's going on.  Your pompous, windbag attitude is what gets CAFETY slammed.

Sorry we're not mental health professionals like that fount of wisdom Blombro.  To say we don't have a clue is bullshit.

Once again:  clean up your connections, or you'll end up becoming an embarrassing liability to people trying to end abusive programs.  Get off your high horse, CAFETY has never been that important.  If it weren't for the A START connection and Dr. Huffine's involvement, CAFETY would be a total joke, a bunch of ineffective whiners.
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« Reply #53 on: August 01, 2007, 11:50:30 PM »
A brief history of CAFETY (as well as the words behind the acronym) please.
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« Reply #54 on: August 01, 2007, 11:52:02 PM »
Zen.. turn on AIM damn it.
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« Reply #55 on: August 01, 2007, 11:52:20 PM »
Oh, yeah, CAFETY must be attending loads of conferences.  You're all too busy to notice the almost total lack of activity on the CAFETY forums.  It's a graveyard there.
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« Reply #56 on: August 01, 2007, 11:53:37 PM »
I'm sorry?

So it's alright for you to make allegations without being able to back them up, yet when I say I'm pretty sure they don't receive money, I do have to prove it?  What should I do, get a financial statement showing that no money was given?

Come on people...

I'm sorry if I come across arrogant, I'm not trying to be.  I'm trying to inject some sense of rationality and truth into an argument in which I saw very little of it.  You might say that's arrogant, I feel differently. sorry.

I'm not identifying myself because there is no need to.  If I do, people will start making accusations based on nothing.  I am speaking as truthfully as possible and that's all that's needed in my opinion.

If you are mad that I said you have very little first hand knowledge of the current controversy, I'm sorry but it doesn't appear you do.  I can't change that.
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« Reply #57 on: August 01, 2007, 11:55:37 PM »
Why do you keep bringing up this Money deal?

The problem is with the connections between the NYRA and CAICA.

Blombro brought up the part about money. Not any of us.
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« Reply #58 on: August 01, 2007, 11:55:53 PM »
Forums are great to get together and get some people informed.  In terms of enacting change within our system, forums have no bearing on an organizations prowess.  You seem to be using the faintest of insults to insinuate as many negative thoughts as you can.  It's really counterproductive.
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« Reply #59 on: August 01, 2007, 11:59:16 PM »
The money thing was brought up by HEAL in their current boycott release.

If the problems are between NYRA and CAICA, then why is CAFETY so horrible? Merely because of a link?
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