I apologize Joyce and to whomever else here I offended with that comment about being part of a cult. Not everyone here shares the same mentality, but the hostility to certain points of view from some quarters is certainly cult-like.
Let's get this straight, Kat, myself, Charlie, Andy, and Marvin are very anti-program. We are zero-tolerance when it comes to programs. However, we have board members who are not, who have typically had experiences in "good" programs, and terrible programs. And as far as those compromises that were listed, all of those folks have very little control over except to quit their job or to quit their board position in protest (when they can do far more good by changing policy from the inside).
My point was to ask where does this end? To the point that Zen-agent is being called as bad as Izzy? Have we lost our minds here?
I want to shut down this industry as bad as anyone and I will not compromise my beliefs, but that doesn't mean not associating with others who have a less orthodox viewpoint. So I am insulted for Kat, when people start throwing around things like is she willing to support MMS. And we do not have a list of middle of the road programs, because we don't believe in programs. Those who hold a differing opinion we try to convince of why they're opinion is flawed.
Zen, would you have not accepted help from ASTART if you knew that their chairman in his role with a separate entity received sponsorship dollars from a well-known RTC (one of those programs that some, but not most, members of ASTART would probably consider acceptable because of their history). Does their involvement in ASTART render their whole operation compromised?
Again, I apologize for shooting from the hip so easily, and hurting anyone if I have.
