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« Reply #75 on: August 01, 2007, 10:29:22 PM »
ASTART is not an arm of cafety ---- this is false information

Blombro merely said that Kat used to work for an ADULT rtc program, and it is immediately assumed now that she can't be trusted? This is ridiculous crap.

HEAL has not united the survivor community. Every single dividing issue I can remember has come up because of HEAL.

COINTELPRO? This has to be one of the most paranoid statements I've heard in a long time.

I'm pretty sure cafety does not receive funding from ASTART. If you believe so, please state why.

I'm also pretty sure no program directors are members of A START or CAFETY.  Please state why you believe so.
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« Reply #76 on: August 01, 2007, 10:37:13 PM »
I hate all of these stupid scumfuck organizations, and I hate you!
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« Reply #77 on: August 01, 2007, 10:54:18 PM »
have fun with that
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« Reply #78 on: August 01, 2007, 11:09:47 PM »
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Dear Fornits Community,

HEAL is working on legislation/initatives to give teens more authority in their lives.  We are also honest and dedicated to teen liberty.  HEAL has never and will never advocate for, accept donations from (unlike CAFETY/CAICA), or work within (unlike CAFETY/CAICA) the teen "help" industry.  We will not claim to be for survivors while advertising and making money off referrals (unlike antiwwasp.com/Kevin August), nor will we hide important information from you to forward some hidden and nefarious agenda (unlike CAFETY, CAICA, Kevin August).  

HEAL does and will continue to unite the survivor community.  HEAL does and will continue to fight the entire teen "help" industry.  HEAL does and will continue to connect survivors with legal help, media resources, and social networks of survivors from the same/similar programs to help heal our community.  And, HEAL does and will continue to work primarily on teen liberty issues.  

HEAL has been accused of diversified focus.  However, we might all agree that inviting and encouraging environmentalists, human rights activists, and animal welfare/rights activists to learn about HEAL's primary campaigns is a great way to get activists from every corner involved in shutting down the teen "help" industry.  And, it is working!  What better way to get a diverse community united on any issue then to acknowledge and support the other areas they are passionate about?  

HEAL is coordinated by survivors across the country.  Our national/HQ/Seattle Coordinator is a survivor of Provo Canyon School (me, Angela).  Our CA Coordinator is also a survivor of Provo Canyon School.  Our NJ Coordinator is a survivor of Three Springs and SLS Health (a program for adults).  Our IL Coordinator is a survivor of Turning Winds.  Our NY Coordinator is a survivor of 2 Aspen Ed. Group Programs, and our MS Coordinator is a survivor of Bethel Boys Academy.  We understand what the problem is and how to go about changing the laws and helping kids.

HEAL has saved hundreds of kids from programs by helping non-custodial parents get custody and pull their children from programs, by persuading legal guardians/parents to pull their children from programs, and persuading legal guardians/parents not to send their child to an RTC/Boot Camp/etc.  

We are disgusted by the actions and hypocrisy (COINTELPRO garbage) that CAFETY, CAICA, and Kevin August have been pulling in this community.  HEAL will not and does not work with CAFETY, CAICA, or Kevin August.  HEAL refuses to work with Kat Whitehead (a former employee of an RTC for adults).  HEAL refuses to work with Brian Lombrowski (who admitted to sleeping with a "source" while he was touring Summit, and admits that ASTART is an arm of CAFETY and that ASTART/CAFETY have former program directors on their board and that they receive funding from the teen "help" industry via ASTART),  and we think it is high time these hypocrites and shills for the teen "help" industry were exposed for what they are.  

BOYCOTT CAFETY!!!  BOYCOTT CAICA!!!  BOYCOTT Kevin August and antiwwasp.com!!!  And, BOYCOTT anyone or any organization who advertises for the teen help industry, refers/works with CAICA/CAFETY, and get these hypocrites out of our community.  We've been through enough!!!

To learn more and get involved with HEAL, visit: http://www.heal-online.org.   :flame:  8-)

In Solidarity,



Angela,

Does your organization believe in any kind of Residential Treatment?  Adult, mental health, community based?  I am not very informed regarding these organizations.  I would like to know where Heal stands on this issue.
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« Reply #79 on: August 02, 2007, 01:42:17 AM »
Hello all, My name is Chip Sinton and I'm a member of NYRA. I sympathize with what you're doing and what you're attempting to accomplish. Both times i've run for Board of Directors in NYRA I've made Behavior Modification Facilities a major campaigning point. I personally think NYRA should be more proactive about these atrocities, but we are trying and trying hard. Bringing to light an ugly truth can be harder than it seems on a web forum though.

I've come here though because i read through this thread and i am frankly appalled. CAFETY is an organization that i empathize with and beleive in its potential for good, but this frankly ridiculous.

1) The first post of this thread, about the annual meeting, the complaining and insinuation that the Annual Meeting was somehow a failure because it was attended by kids is ridiculous. One main reason the industry can continue to grow and suceed is that soceity views teens as deplorable almost-peoples instead of as actual people. We as a nation get worked up over Gitmo when hundreds of Gitmos are going on, but for teens. Its appalling that your opinion of kids would be as event ruining objects.

2) Alexander Koroknay-Palicz is no clown. He may have a sense of humor, a trait seemingly lacking in some here(i won't point fingers, since you guys seem to dislike that) but he is no clown. He is one of the hardest working people in our community. To kick him off your board would be to lose a valueable asset to your fledgling org, a stabilizing assest you could probably use.

3)It is spelled curb. "kick him to the CURB". Kerb isn't even internetspeak, its just dumb

4)You do realize that you're argueing over linking to a link. There are so many better things you could be doing with your time. Do you have a plan on how to capitalize on Mitt Romney running his campaign on child torture blood money? Or how to make the Troubled Teen Industry an issue this coming election? Or is web links and a puritanical membership and board really more important?

5)I don't think you realize the stakes here. Its all linked together. We're the underdogs here. We're splintered from soceity by conditioning and oppression, we're constrainted by cash when fighting an entity that has funds enough to buy off mayors and governors. What we don't need is to break apart as a community, to focus our efforts on making each other weaker. It was said earlier that NYRA had a great structure, a budget, an office. We got all these things by working our way up, by having great intiative, promise, and leadership. At this stage, all organizations need to take advantage of each other and all resources available. It would seem Isebelle made a mistake, but her org still has great information and does good work. To ignore and osctracize people who don't is stupid. NYRA will continue linking to CAICA because it is a good source of information on a little known topic. The organization does productive work, so we ally ourselves. We're in a struggle, and it isn't against each other. Division is suicidal. Tolerance, empathy, understanding is needed. Extremeism, squabbling and zero tolerance is regressive in a community that can't afford anything but progress. NYRA has a position against Zero Tolerance because it is ridiculous. Applied in Schools, by Parents, or in this forum, it is still retarded. We need to work together, not apart.

I urge you to not make a mistake based on personal biases that will direly effect your potential and this community's potential.
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« Reply #80 on: August 02, 2007, 01:55:10 AM »
RTC's are not a priority with NYRA, you made that clear.  I believe lowering the drinking age is of more concern.

Don't attack people over spelling.  I won't attack you for typing "assest" instead of "asset".

Why are we suddenly the problem?  We're asking that your intentions be clear and that you do not in any way support the industry.  That's not bias.  The link is a major issue and damages your credibility.  Don't try to downplay it.  If the link is such a minor detail, get rid of it and post a clear statement on your position.

NYRA and CAFETY are using program tactics to defend themselves, and I find it disgusting.  This is your problem, don't try to shift the onus onto people who have made their intentions clear and conflict-free.

You misunderstand the use of "zero tolerance" here:  it applies to the industry, and to stop the industry you cannot have ties to it.

Do you understand it a little better now?
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« Reply #81 on: August 02, 2007, 02:13:42 AM »
Mr. Chip Sinton,

I don't consider Alexander Koroknay-Palicz to be a "clown" at all.  Clowns make people laugh.
Alex posted here, and he stated that he supports Isabelle Zehnder, CAICA.
You need to read the Whitmore Blog written by Isabelle Zehnder, in which she supports the defunct Whitmore Academy; and praises the owners, the Sudweeks who have broken laws in 3 countries--Canada, Mexico and the US.  This Whitmore Blog is filled with lies, and it bashs parents and children who were victims at this abusive facility.
This blog is filled with errors about Cheryl Sudweeks plea bargain in the Whitmore criminal case.
Isabelle Zehnder admits that she refers children to programs; and her own emails show that she refers children to Sue Scheff/PURE and to teen transport companies.

Alex supports Zehnder/CAICA; who in turn supports and refers to Sue Scheff/PURE.  You may want to read the WWASP vs PURE transcripts if you are not familiar with Sue Scheff/PURE.

So you don't need to explain who your friend, Alex is. He explained himself clearly in his lengthy post here on fornits.  No one here needs you to play GRAMMAR TEACHER or SPELL CHECKER, either.

As stated, it is about ZERO TOLERANCE.  Referring children to programs is not acceptable.  Trying to say referring a child to "a program that is less abusive than a WWASP program" is not acceptable.  NO PROGRAM IS ACCEPTABLE.

CAFETY linking to NYRA is not acceptable.

Your attitude is not all that acceptablel, either IMO.
No one is on your website annoying you, are they?
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« Reply #82 on: August 02, 2007, 03:00:21 AM »
Chip does make some good points even if his lexicon regarding the English language is off base. Kerb is the British version of the word Curb.

None the less..

Chip you are right and wrong all at the same time. Why are you being so stubborn about a simple link? It would take about 15 keystrokes to remove the thing off your page.

And seriously.. ISAC and HEAL provide much better sources of information, that is all properly cited and referenced.

I agree unity is crucial. I'll will be unified with organizations I can trust though. I believe Heal, ISAC, and TAUSA have a great deal more potential to make change.

This is about Solidarity with those who don't turn a blind eye towards towards things like CAICA.

Solidarity with those who will not betray the faith.
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« Reply #83 on: August 02, 2007, 04:52:48 AM »
I don't think you understand what the term "solidarity" means as you're fighting to boycott an organization that is merely trying to pull the interests of organizations--regardless of how they are ran--toward a pro-youth rights position.

Chip has it absolutely right: YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME. Do you know how many donations you could've solicited or blog entries you could've written with the time you've wasted bitching about a link?

This isn't a fucking clique. You disgrace the entire youth rights movement by playing petty games and watering down our cause.
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« Reply #84 on: August 02, 2007, 05:53:07 AM »
What cause is that? The one where you support kids getting sent to "Less Abusive" programs?

This is progress. Carving away the diseased flesh from the movement will only make it healthier.

Good riddance to the likes of CAFETY and the NYRA if they want to fall to the wayside over a damn link.

It is their choice.
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« Reply #85 on: August 02, 2007, 08:13:40 AM »
Are you as naive as you sound?

We are already a movement that is moving backwards. You want to divide the people working for the same ultimate goals because you don't agree with some obscure blog someone wrote and NYRA has a link you don't like?

Listen up: not all activists are perfect and the same goes for their organizations. You can either choose to hurt the movement by playing games rather than doing actual work OR you can accept that some organizations AREN'T RAN WELL and make the best of it. Most of us who care about youth rights would prefer the latter to losing PRECIOUS manpower, which is plenty scarce already.

It is disconcerting how you appear to generate motivation through the negativity this constant witch-hunt within your peers produces.
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« Reply #86 on: August 02, 2007, 08:24:49 AM »
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Are you as naive as you sound?

We are already a movement that is moving backwards. You want to divide the people working for the same ultimate goals because you don't agree with some obscure blog someone wrote and NYRA has a link you don't like?

Listen up: not all activists are perfect and the same goes for their organizations. You can either choose to hurt the movement by playing games rather than doing actual work OR you can accept that some organizations AREN'T RAN WELL and make the best of it. Most of us who care about youth rights would prefer the latter to losing PRECIOUS manpower, which is plenty scarce already.

It is disconcerting how you appear to generate motivation through the negativity this constant witch-hunt within your peers produces.


Interesting, but so chock full of shit it I needed to put on knee boots just to read it.

That blog isn't obscure to the kids and parents affected by Whitmore. The pain and suffering inflicted on those families will never be undone in this lifetime. Isabelle Zehender, metaphorically, open hand slapped those people in the face repeatedly. Even worst the people targeted couldn't even really respond due to various legal restrictions.

Somethings you can't ever compromise on. That blog and that woman aren't something I will ever compromise on. You want to make that compromise you go right ahead.

You keep saying its just one link. IT is just one LINK.

Then remove the damn thing .

If its just one link.

The ball is in your court. You won't get any of us to slap around any Whitmore survivors via our acceptance of CAICA. NOR will you find many of us willing to minimize the hurt and suffering created by that vile document posted by Isabelle Zehneder, and likewise the other one posted by here equally reprehensible crony Sue Scheff.

Death before dishonor applies here.

And NO fucking way I'll Dishonor the victims of Whitmore.
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« Reply #87 on: August 02, 2007, 08:54:18 AM »
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COINTELPRO? This has to be one of the most paranoid statements I've heard in a long time.


Quoted for embarrassment...
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« Reply #88 on: August 02, 2007, 10:25:02 AM »
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:18 am    Post subject:    

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Swarmy, you've referred to this as a minor link issue. Let's see how "minor" a link is:

I caught my kid smoking grass, I think he's an addict, I go to the internet for help.

For some reason, I get to the low-traffic CAFETY first.

CAFETY-->NYRA-->CAICA-->PURE = a kid placed in a program.

That's a rather short route. Rethink your position.
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