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Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care
« Reply #240 on: August 30, 2007, 06:40:05 AM »
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You sound so angry.  Makes me wonder if you came from a troubled family home environment yourself.

I don't know about that, but Dr. Newton has fought valiantly against the evils of drug addiction for most of his life! Unlike me (and correct me if I'm wrong, Dr. Newton), Virgil "just said no" whenever anyone at school would offer him some reefer or a nip from the bottle...
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Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care
« Reply #241 on: August 30, 2007, 01:01:08 PM »
Ok, just one drive-by then I promise to stfu and read to the end....

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Mom,
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 Can't have it both ways: "What a wonderful facility that met all my son's needs. Just loved visiting the place, watching my son succed, there. My son loved it there --until he died from medical neligence."


Yes. And consider the impact on the other kids and even the staff who witnessed all of this and the very fact that ignoring a kid in obvious physical distress is SOP in this warped cultish little industry. Ah, the stuff that PTSD nightmares and flashbacks are made of!
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« Reply #242 on: August 30, 2007, 02:13:41 PM »
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I just don't think his death was program related in exactly the same way some other deaths were, in other words, the "programming" did not cause his bowel infarction, as in Michelle and others' deaths, and probably some of you as well.

Are you certain? I did a brief search, will do more later. Infarction is extremely uncommon in young people, more a condition of the elderly. A total blockage due to constipation is a common cause of infarction.

Have you researched the drugs he was taking to determine if they cause constipation.
http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pd ... X-6-43.pdf


Another possible explanation is the effects of anxiety due to culture shock, lack of privacy or even time to properly clear one's bowels. Seriously. Plenty of people can't do that in a public rest room. Can you imagine going months on end w/o a place or opportunity to comfortably take care of business? Constipation is one of those icky little details about being in a program that you don't hear much about. Who wants to talk about shit, really? It makes us sound like a bunch of whining geriatrics. But it's a fact that many, many program vets report days or weeks w/o a healthy dump. Took me about 3 weeks.
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« Reply #243 on: August 30, 2007, 04:10:54 PM »
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Another possible explanation is the effects of anxiety due to culture shock, lack of privacy or even time to properly clear one's bowels. Seriously. Plenty of people can't do that in a public rest room. Can you imagine going months on end w/o a place or opportunity to comfortably take care of business? Constipation is one of those icky little details about being in a program that you don't hear much about. Who wants to talk about shit, really? It makes us sound like a bunch of whining geriatrics. But it's a fact that many, many program vets report days or weeks w/o a healthy dump. Took me about 3 weeks.


I still can't 'go' unless I'm@home.
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« Reply #244 on: August 30, 2007, 07:13:51 PM »
I dont doubt that this is a big part of it., Could it also be that a crappy diet without enough fruit & veg contributes?
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« Reply #245 on: August 30, 2007, 08:37:13 PM »
Actually humiliation, stress, and disclosure is part and parcel of breaking someone down and making them into a transparent little robot or toy to fuck with sexually or psychologically.

Its pretty SOP for slave training, no matter how you slice it. Works pretty good too.

If only they'd take it farther with outright elimination control - can not when told no, must when told to do so. They can even call it "discipline" and get it sanctioned  :rofl:
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« Reply #246 on: August 30, 2007, 08:58:25 PM »
Lol, so the kid died because he was full of shit? all the ass-raping they do at that camp must have packed it in real tight.
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« Reply #247 on: August 30, 2007, 09:01:00 PM »
Wouldn't the autopsy show signs of Constipation?

And hey this ain't funny, so show some tact.
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« Reply #248 on: August 30, 2007, 11:25:57 PM »
Some of the worst experiences I have ever had to endure took place in that facility, but I think the worst ones were when our bathroom privileges were taken away, because either we were "abusing our privileges" by using the restroom too often or we were on code silence (where the whole facility is not to talk at all, for no reason whatsoever). Talking was our only means of communicating, with permission mind you, because ANY form of non-verbal communicating, from nodding your head to smiling was NOT PERMITTED. So when we went on code silence how were we to communicate that we had to use the bathroom? We didn't. We sat there until we were asked if we had to go. Many girls wet themselves. Myself included, on 2 separate occasions. We were denied our right as human beings to use the bathroom. It's humiliating to be a teenager and have to wet yourself in front of all of your peers.
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« Reply #249 on: August 30, 2007, 11:36:34 PM »
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Constipation is one of those icky little details about being in a program that you don't hear much about. Who wants to talk about shit, really? It makes us sound like a bunch of whining geriatrics. But it's a fact that many, many program vets report days or weeks w/o a healthy dump. Took me about 3 weeks.


Like I said once before, only in the very best of programs does a kid have normal shits.
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« Reply #250 on: August 31, 2007, 12:30:07 AM »
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Quote from: ""Scarlett Chiclet""
Constipation is one of those icky little details about being in a program that you don't hear much about. Who wants to talk about shit, really? It makes us sound like a bunch of whining geriatrics. But it's a fact that many, many program vets report days or weeks w/o a healthy dump. Took me about 3 weeks.

Like I said once before, only in the very best of programs does a kid have normal shits.


Its not a program if its a sane place that offers therapy, doesn't force it, and doesn't force quackery and outright torment along with it, without due process.

There is no such thing as a good program in the first place. You might as well have good rape.
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Important~ Re: the 14 yo. boy's death at Aspen's Youth Care
« Reply #251 on: August 31, 2007, 01:20:43 AM »
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Some of the worst experiences I have ever had to endure took place in that facility, but I think the worst ones were when our bathroom privileges were taken away, because either we were "abusing our privileges" by using the restroom too often or we were on code silence (where the whole facility is not to talk at all, for no reason whatsoever). Talking was our only means of communicating, with permission mind you, because ANY form of non-verbal communicating, from nodding your head to smiling was NOT PERMITTED. So when we went on code silence how were we to communicate that we had to use the bathroom? We didn't. We sat there until we were asked if we had to go. Many girls wet themselves. Myself included, on 2 separate occasions. We were denied our right as human beings to use the bathroom. It's humiliating to be a teenager and have to wet yourself in front of all of your peers.
Excerpt from:
http://nospank.net/chambard.htm


Could being forced to "hold it" possibly cause such an infarction?
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Re: reform, not blame, is the answer
« Reply #252 on: September 01, 2007, 09:03:50 PM »
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To you "Off topic" folks -Instead of bashing parents or staff of programs, and making assumptioms without facts, when you don't even know what happened, let's focus on realistic changes that can be made at the state and/or federal level to stop the madness of teens dying in treatment.

Anyone with actual useful information or documentaable proof about negligence about the innerworkings of the state of Utah in regards to reform in residential treatmemt programs and why criminal charges are rarely filed, lack of stiffer licensing and enforcement, etc should post this information so that the family can contact the appropriate high level officials and get effective action. These are not "disposable" kids, shame on those who bash the parents for being the problem instead of actively advocating for legislative change.  Get a life and get moving and do something responsible....This boys death is tragic, but let's all turn it into something positive for all the other troubled kids out there who have needs for alternative placememts.

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I worked at Youth Care for 2.5 years as a line staff and also as a 'key' staff.  I'm easily identifiable - I was assaulted by a student and required facial reconstruction surgery - and any time I post my old 'friends' who still work there are told to have no contact with me, so I know I'm pushing some serious buttons.

The night I was attacked there were not enough staff on shift, a common occurence at this program.  There were two staff assigned to a house with 14 students - I was only there to finish up paperwork from the day shift.  The student that attacked me was able to walk away from his group, sneak up behind me, and when I hung up the phone he started swinging.  Another student was also able to walk away from his group to come watch.

You want first hand knowledge?  I would come in to work in the mornings and watch the graveyard staff unplug their xbox/ps2/dvd players/laptops, hurry and check all the boxes on the log sheets signifying that they checked the students every 15 mins for signs of life (breathing, movement, etc...) and leave.  Sometimes the graves were still asleep when I got there (they weren't supposed to sleep).  This student was sleeping out of his room which, according to our training, he should have been checked on every 15 mins.  If they were checking, how did the student's body proceed through rigor and livor mortis before the staff even noticed he was deceased?

I finally quit in disgust when the student who watched me get assaulted was re-admitted to the programm despite my concerns for my own safety or the safety of others (he had a history of sexually acting out/flashing female students).

Programs in Utah, and I worked in a few until I gave up and moved to adult corrections, rely on a cheap student labor market and the mystique that 'Utah' is a great, safe place.  Youth Care is like most other programs - profit driven, not care driven.

I worked with some great staff, I tried to be a good staff.  Too bad the administrators can't be more like some of the staff they're fortunate enough to have on the payroll.
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« Reply #253 on: September 01, 2007, 09:10:04 PM »
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I was assaulted by a student and required facial reconstruction surgery


PWNED!

(Hey kid, you didn't hit him hard enough! Finish the job next time!)
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« Reply #254 on: September 01, 2007, 09:15:26 PM »
aww that's kinda mean, stick around puck I'm sure some more intelligent(then me at the moment) members will have some questions.
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