My Experience of PURE, Inc. and Sue Scheff

[Anonymous]

Carey - stop playing with yourself in public. Its juvenile and rude.

[a concerned parent]

PURE DISCRIMINATES
Posted: 2003-05-19 15:01:00  
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On 2003-05-19 11:59:00, seesgurl wrote:

"POSITION STATEMENT: It is true that Carey Bock was removed from a private discussion group of individuals dedicated to implementing

regulation, oversight and accountability of specialty programs for children. She was excluded for reasons including disrespectful

postings, breach of confidentiality, and general instability. You will note that all of these things are evident in her postings at this forum,

and we know that reasonable people will lend those rantings no more credence than they deserve. Neither I, nor other members of the group,will engage in further dialogue on the subject at this or any other forum, as it serves no useful purpose, and we prefer to dedicate our

time and energy to protecting children.

seesgurl-jannis"

And you had to post to announce this? If only you knew how bad you sound.

You say:

"She was excluded for reasons including disrespectful

postings, breach of confidentiality, and general instability. You will note that all of these things are evident in her postings at this forum,

and we know that reasonable people will lend those rantings no more credence than they deserve. Neither I, nor other members of the group,will engage in further dialogue on the subject at this or any other forum,"


So in other words PURE inc DISCSRIMINATES. And tries to sensor information that is posted on their board by keeping certain opinions from being heard. Sounds like you are the mentally unstable ones. What kind of "group" or "program" are you really running?

I looked at you site. You are nothing but a catching mit for abusive programs, so that you can profit instead. My opinion of you is very low as well as is others.

Can you smell something?

[FaceKhan]

Well I have always been skeptical of the entire industry even those groups like PURE that claim to be kinder and gentler and dare I say honest. Kindness and honesty have never been on the agenda in this snake oil industry.

The bottom line is that, regardless of intentions, research and honesty, it all boils down to some kid being dragged out of his bed in the middle of night, often in handcuffs, and isolated for long periods of time at the mercy of staff of mostly questionable expertise in the field of mental health.

The kids are all piled together from mild academic problems, not getting along with ones parents, parental convenience during custody battles, etc to severe trauma like sexual abuse and abandonment. Putting those sorts of kids all together is against everything that is considered standard practice in professional treatment.

 This alone constitutes abuse as it is against the standards of psychiatric treatment such as the use of the least invasive/restrictive measures possible and seperating patients based on severity of their problems. These snake oil programs only make existing problems worse.

Just like any bad situation its the ones who already have a lot of problems going into the program that are hurt the worst while kids with mild issues or none at all make it out with less damage.

I don't think PURE can do it any better than WWASP. At best I like them because they hate WWASP but they are choosing one group of abusive programs over another.

[Carey]

I would like to share my boot letter.  Also, what preceeded this letter was another accusation that I released information that did not belong to me which was absolutely false and I can prove it if necessary with other emails.  See what they say I am guilty of "You have such powerful enthusiasm and the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members."


Here the one that led up to it that "condeeds" that I did not release information that did not belong to me and the second which is the actual boot and why.


Subj: Re: Fwd: [Trekkers] Woodbury  
Date: 5/16/03 5:06:44 PM Central Daylight Time
From: Careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
 


At 05:20 PM 5/16/2003 -0400, bkdelong@pobox.com
Subj: Removal from list  
Date: 5/16/03 6:59:18 PM Central Daylight Time
From: careycbock@aol.com
Sent from the Internet (Details)
 


Carey -

I have received an email from Marie XXXXXXX stating that she did not understand who Lon Woodbury is as her English is limited and she, as well as Chris, were shocked that the images were sent to him once they found out who he was.

Because of that, and several listmembers emailing me off-list combined with the continued lack of control over your emotions, I am removing you from the list.

I truly hope you take some time to mellow out a bit and start thinking about consequences of your actions. You have such powerful enthusiasm and
the best of intentions but combined with a blind drive to "get WWASP" you are hurting fellow list members.

Thanks.

--
B.K. DeLong
bkdelong@pobox.com



That is them.  And so you will know I do have the emails requesting that I question Lon about the pictures.  That is what I did and that is all I did.  However, I still believe they should be released to the public.  So, I was booted for not agreeing with the "group."

I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members.

[ehm]

I still believe they should be released to the public.  So, I was booted for not agreeing with the "group."



I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members."

"I guess I am more concerned about children who are hurting than I am about hurting list members."

You're doing nothing wrong, they are. Thank you for your efforts.
Those attitudes   are all too familiar to me. Thanks for making a difference. :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid:  
 :wstupid:  :wstupid:  :wstupid: excect change the name on the sign to: CAREY!

[ehm]

BTW- Getting the BOOT for speaking your mind on the internet? ::hehehmm::

[Anonymous]

PURE refers to Sorenson's Ranch School and Academy at Cedar Mountain.  

Once the kid gets there she is cut a check for $1,000.00  When I talked to her about my son, she mentioned both of these schools.  Both were VERY wrong for him.  That led me to believe she doesn't care about our family or my son.  Just the money.  

I actually visited Sorenson's Ranch School.  What a hole!  Filthy living conditions for the students, the kitchen was also very dirty. From what I could see minimum supervision-Kids everywhere and NO staff.  They only had 4 therapists for 120 kids.
 
I have NO idea how Sue decides which programs to send kids too.  If that Sorenson's place is any indication, she doesn't have a clue. :sad:

[FaceKhan]

How is this for condifentiality.
I wake up to this in my box:

On 2003-05-20 07:27, KarenZ wrote:

"I'm afraid you have misunderstood something importiant about the carey situation.
Several things.
This was/is not a web forum she is bitchen about - it is a group of indiviguals - of which Sue Schff of pure is just one, who are working together, in various ways, to expose and hopefully eventually eliminate wwasp.
It is a team effort.
We propose thoughts and ideas and work together.
Confidentiallity is considered of the utmost importiance.
She breached this trust in a serious way - and refussed to except the view of the group - not just the one member who she is harping on about - but the group.
That was why she was blocked from the email list.
It wasn't any kind of forum - just am email list.
Truly - she seems to have had some kind of mental breakdown. We, the group of us - again - not just Sue of pure - are horrified.
I hope you understand better now how damiging and destructive all this crap of carys is.
She is not just slandering Sue, but seriously compramising the confidentionality of everyone on this Private email list, and doing terriable harm to the battle to help parents wake up to the truth about what is happening to their kids in wwasp hands. It is horriable.
I can't explain the details without giving up confidences myself - but it is horriable what she is doing.
I'm begging you - please don't encourage her!! :scared:
"

I really don't care if PURE wins their lawsuit against WWASP since it has become very clear that they are only marginally better and most of their brownie points are just because they hate WWASP.

[Carey]

You are not the only one they are contacting behind the scenes.  Others have contacted me privately to let me know that they are making phone calls to try and stop my cry for help.  The person who made this call made the statement that I am seeking attention.  Yep, he is right.  The more attention drawn to this subject the more pressure is put upon them to tell the truth and provide the evidence to the proper authorites and the press which in turn will help save kids today.

If parents see what has and is happening by the people who own these instituitions then they will have a better understanding of the damage that is being done in them.

Maybe I should post where Sue suggested I remove my name from the listserv when I confronted her on her position to hold evidence for a law suit, which I was told by one of their attorneys that could take up a year to even go to court. (When I was fighting in court to maintain custody of my own two boys so that they would not be sent back to Dundee, she all along had contact with the oringinal director of the school who could attest to the abuse at Dundee, but she did not tell me this.  She later told me that she did not want him to become afraid by threats of a law suit by WWASP, until she had him testify in her case.  He could have contacted my ex and let him know what he witnessed.  But she did not she held that information.  She is still holding information that could help a lot of kids.  Everyone who associates with her is doing the same.)  That is a long time for kids to have to continue to suffer abuse.  They are all about revenge, I am all about saving the kids.

I could also copy the post where I said I would not ask to be removed from the list.  I said that the only way I would be taken off the list would be by them removing me for my views and beliefs and my argument thereof.  They would have liked for me to ask to be removed because then they would not have to be accountable for the same behavior that the WWASP BBS board portrays.

They are trying to shut me up because they are afraid of the truth. I am not afraid of the truth!

Sue does head up the listserv.  It is BK who she contacts when she wants to add a parent and it is BK who she contacts when she wants to remove a parent.

Why can't they go public with what they have?  That is my question.  Proof does not change from today until a year from today.  It will hold up in the court of public opinon today and it will hold up in court in a year from today.

[Carey]

Sue said, "I have the utmost confident with my lawsuit... Evidence?  Hell, they could throw out 90% and even my 10% will be enough to bury them......  You really don't know my lawsuit,  only Paula, Jeff and I can fully comprehend what it is about."

Does this not sound like there is evidence that is being held that could help kids?

The she said, and I quote, "I am not controlling your first amendment, but I do control what is spread on the list.
Thanks!
  Sue"

Now, did Sue kick me off the list or not?

[Anonymous]

It has been my experience that sous chefs are usually a little squirrelly. ::bigmouth::

[Anonymous]

This discussion is working in WWASP's favor. Lets all remember whats important here.

[Carey]

I have not forgotten for one moment what is important.  Saving kids is what is important.  Not letting them have to spend one more day in one of these places than is necessary, is what is important.  Getting as many out as soon as possible, is what is important.  Not witholding information and proof of what is going on in these places is what is important.  

There is nothing we can say here that will help WWASP in any way as long as we speak the truth.

[Anonymous]

Have any of these "reformed" WWASP parents involved with PURE and other kinds of similar organizations been invited to attend the treatment abuse conference?

[Anonymous]

On 2003-05-20 18:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Have any of these "reformed" WWASP parents involved with PURE and other kinds of similar organizations been invited to attend the treatment abuse conference? "

On 2003-05-19 18:19:00, kpickle39 wrote:

"Go to http://www.safetyintl.org. Check out the conference link.



speakers included in this year's agenda:



Rick Ross - world renowned cult expert

Alexia Parks - Discussing parents as mentors

Professor Gerard Glynn - Law Professor, Barry University - Children's rights advocate and attorney

Nancy Brighton, Truama Recovery Expert

George Rosselot, MS, Family Therapist

Wes Fager



Conference registration fee is $70.00.



Hope to see many people again this year.



Michael Sherman, Chair

Survivors and Friends for the Ethical Treatment of Youth (SAFETY)

"

I'm guessing that is why this was posted guy.