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« on: July 25, 2006, 08:44:06 PM »
When my friend first got sent away, I was shocked to my bones that this crap was legal.  Almost everyone we knew was also shocked to their bones.  There were a few people who thought the parents might know something we didn't, but most people just thought it was horrible and should be illegal.

I thought it would be easy.  Just tell people about it, get the word out, start a ground swell, and bam, it gets changed.

I've had that happen before.  Maybe it sounds dumb, but it happened.  I heard about something in my state that was outrageous, I told a group of people, who told more people, and it got fixed.

This just so sucks.

It's obviously horrible, but when you tell people about it they don't believe it really happens, or they assume it can't be as bad as it really is----you know, the hobbit and provo and jamaica and the rest of it.

It's like "that can't happen in America" so it must not be happening.

Sorry, I just needed to vent to you guys.  You will understand.  Well, not the programmies, but the rest of you.

This sucks.

Julie
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Re: This Sucks
« Reply #1 on: July 26, 2006, 12:42:50 AM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
When my friend first got sent away, I was shocked to my bones that this crap was legal.  Almost everyone we knew was also shocked to their bones.  There were a few people who thought the parents might know something we didn't, but most people just thought it was horrible and should be illegal.

I thought it would be easy.  Just tell people about it, get the word out, start a ground swell, and bam, it gets changed.

I've had that happen before.  Maybe it sounds dumb, but it happened.  I heard about something in my state that was outrageous, I told a group of people, who told more people, and it got fixed.

This just so sucks.

It's obviously horrible, but when you tell people about it they don't believe it really happens, or they assume it can't be as bad as it really is----you know, the hobbit and provo and jamaica and the rest of it.

It's like "that can't happen in America" so it must not be happening.

Sorry, I just needed to vent to you guys.  You will understand.  Well, not the programmies, but the rest of you.

This sucks.

Julie


I know the feeling. My own parents didnt GET IT until

1. the new freedom plan scared the shit out of them (the forced psych screenings in school

2. the montel show came on and I yelled at my mom to turn the fucking channel.

People are dipshits, thats all I gotta say.
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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2006, 01:37:04 PM »
I feel that way all the time. When I first got out I thought the world was crazy. I was taught the constitution and bill or rights in school, and I know for a fact at least my first and fourth ammendment rights were violated on a daily basis, along with other rights guaranteed under criminal law, such as the right to not be physically abused.

I honestly believed, that when I got home and told my parents what had happened, they would be outraged. I thought if I told teachers and community leaders about what happened they would be shocked and abhored and take action. Boy, was I naive.

Not only did my parents not really believe me, I watched them sink themselves into denial. My mom cried and blamed it on my dad, my dad said nothing and blamed it on me, and his ignorance (even though I sent letters describing the inhumane situation at the time). I was at a wwasp facility, so I got all the letters saying how much better the family was without me, how I was a spoiled little brat, and all sorts of things that were not true. I was not there for being a spoiled brat, I was sent for depression and meth use. Slowly over time, the idea of helping me turned into the idea of hurting me, and punishing me. I still do not understand this philosophy.

I follow the golden rule. I don't think much else is needed, if you don't want to be treated in a certain way, do not treat others that way. Simple. But after that whole experience I learned there are others who live by a completely different rule, a rule of ideology. They believe if their idea is just and righteous, it gives them the moral authority to hurt others. I completely disagree with this premise. To think this way one must be extremely arrogant, and self absorbed. One positive thing I learned from my time locked away in wwasps was to observe the negative part of human nature. It was truly an eye opener, and I am not so naive anymore. Is this good or bad? I have not reached a conclusion on this, as now I assume everyone is bad until they prove otherwise. Before wwasp, I assumed people were good until they showed otherwise. My mistake, aparently.

I like the part about how you said, "how could this happen in America". I thought the same thing too. I am a patriotic and proud american, the propaganda growing up worked on me. But it is disheartening to know that everything your country stands for, means nothing in practicality. I absolutely adore the values that America stands (stood?) for, but they are not in practice anymore. With the drug war, guantanamo, and the like it seems people are becoming more accustomed to giving away their rights.

The irony of all this I believe, is that parents are unwilling to compromise their ability to send their kids away incommunicado to torture centers on the argument of 'parental rights'. But, what about fundamental human rights? Is a child not a human as well? Parents cling to their right in order to be able to do anything to their children, well maybe it's time that children stand up for themselves. Sure a 14-15 year old might make some rash decisions and take risks adults might not otherwise take, but does that mean their soul hurts any less when locked away without trial for years without communication with any advocate?

I don't think parents have any idea what it is like. To lose everything, complete control of your life, from when you wake, to what you think, even what you say. You cannot eat, piss, shit, or even look at someone without permission and without a time limit. When you first arrive you are not even allowed to talk with other students. Is this what America stands for? I could go on and on because like Julie, I still cannot believe this activity of private kidnapping and prison is not only going on, but praised by political leaders and the like.

This country has unilaterally declared war on it's youth. It is right now actively imprisoning, torturing and drugging millions of youth in the name of compliance, without trial, without advocacy. This is not democracy, this is not freedom, this is not just.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2006, 07:48:29 PM »
I've used the words "shadow world" before.but didn't fully explain it.

There's something disgusting behind all of this, something evil, something foul, something rotting. It is literally a perversion, the uncontrolled lust for control. The usual techniques don't really work here because most people don't understand what's actually going on behind closed doors in the shadow world of the programmies. It's a world where they can get away with practically anything. Ever hear of David Gilcrease's seminars? He literally goes up to women and says "I can kill you. I can rape you." Yes, to their faces. And all the programmed parents are sworn to secrecy about this. (Google if you don't believe me; if this is made up, I'm not the one who did it)

For reference, in our sunlit world, people in positions of authority over children can't even fantasize about this without getting owned. Child porn on your computer? Out of the classroom and into the jail, bitch. Draw tied-up teenage girls? "But it's only.." Yeah, we know. You're suspended pending an 'evaluation'; get the fuck out. Mention to a co-worker or superior, even in passing, that you want to give a kid in your class a smack or a "restraint hold" for pissing you off? Career limiting move.

The naturally changing relationship between parent and child is perverted; the programmed parents (who want to be programmed to avoid responsibility for their real failings) want their kid regressed, back to when he was dependent and easier to control, and the program owners get psychosexual gratification in doing so, similar to rapists. Fortunately, most of the time it fails utterly, and in some cases backfires dramatically.

That's why it hasn't died yet, despite the massive waves of shutdowns and lawsuits and bankruptcies. (Speaking of lawsuits, the previous poster has a potentially EXCELLENT case against both WWASPS and his parents. Yes, you can sue them. Talk to a lawyer.) It's not just the money, not just the uncaring. It's the mental illness.
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