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« Reply #690 on: June 29, 2007, 07:10:09 PM »
Almost forgot, you've taken this family who has already been traumatized by the program, and thrown her into this mess, and traumatize her even more simply because Isabelle helped her and her daughter.  Are you going to traumatize all of Isabelles family and friends and anyone who ever knew her?
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« Reply #691 on: June 29, 2007, 07:22:50 PM »
Hold on Guest - you make it sound like this lady Sandy had no choice BUT to refer this parent to Isabelle and that's clearly not the impression I got from reading Isabelle's own blog.

Like the other guest said - leave the referring to people who have the proper credentials, training and experience required to assess the behavioral needs of children.  Neither of these women are even remotely qualified.  One had a step kid in a program, the other (Isabelle) has no professional qualifications in child psychology or behavioral science.  I think I read she is a former legal secretary and recently formed some kind of "coaching" business?
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« Reply #692 on: June 29, 2007, 07:23:04 PM »
Seems to me that Sandy was used as a pawn for the purpose of bringing down Isabelle, and for what reason I would like to know.  I've been to Cathy's site, and ISAC, like no one is making money there because it says referral free zone, yet there are books for sale, memorial funds that are 501 non-profit dated 2007.  Where are the donations for that coming from and going to?  Whose getting kick backs by hyping those books, and programs you have to download to read the information.  Hypocrates.
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« Reply #693 on: June 29, 2007, 07:32:01 PM »
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Seems to me that Sandy was used as a pawn for the purpose of bringing down Isabelle, and for what reason I would like to know.  I've been to Cathy's site, and ISAC, like no one is making money there because it says referral free zone, yet there are books for sale, memorial funds that are 501 non-profit dated 2007.  Where are the donations for that coming from and going to?  Whose getting kick backs by hyping those books, and programs you have to download to read the information.  Hypocrates.


Huh?  

Non profits like ISAC and the Michelle Sutton Memorial Fund are allowed to accept tax-deductible donations under their status as 501 (c) 3 charitable organizations.  CAICA claims to be a non-profit as well, but provides no documentation as being recognized by the IRS as these two orgs. do.  You'd have to ask them (CAICA) if that is an oversight or whether they are simply a Washington state nonprofit and never filed for tax-exempt status with the IRS?  

May non-profits and for-profit orgs. sell books through Amazon and get a small percentage.  CAICA sells books as does PURE, I believe.  Nobody seems to be suggesting there is anything wrong with that.  

Are you just upset b/c Isabelle apparently DOES refer children to unregulated childrens programs and transport companies unlike what is stated in her disclaimer (CAICA is not for referrals to programs)?

If so, I don't blame you.
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« Reply #694 on: June 29, 2007, 07:33:30 PM »
I never said she had no choice.  She's obviously a nice person, and felt compelled to help this Patti person out, because from what I read she was sounding desperate.  That in no way makes her a person running around referring people.  No one ever said she was, she was contacted because she was listed as a friend on Isabelles myspace for the purpose of bringing down Isabelle.  How fair is that?  

If someone came to me and asked me for help, and I had my kid in a program, or knew someone who had, I would have referred them to that friend, or person, and hoped they could help, or sent them to someone else who could help.  That's all Sandy did.  And people are telling her she had no right.  You have got to be kidding me.  Now you guys have a right to dictate who tells who what?

I'm just glad I wasn't listed as one of Isabelle's friends because no doubt that I would also be drug through the mud and chastised for trying to help, as an ex parent of the program.
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« Reply #695 on: June 29, 2007, 07:35:31 PM »
Yes, and if you read Cathy's site, under the 501, she's not required to report to the IRS either unless it's over, I believe it was, 25,000 per year.
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« Reply #696 on: June 29, 2007, 07:38:35 PM »
Personally, I think this whole thing is all about the money.
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« Reply #697 on: June 29, 2007, 07:39:50 PM »
Get over yourself guest and stop whining about poor "sandy" and "isabelle".  The teen help industry is unregulated just like these referral services.  If you think about it, any parent who relies on a referral from another parent or so-called advocate is not putting their child's safety and well-being first.  These people are NOT QUALIFIED and it is UNETHICAL for them to be getting kickbacks from the programs they refer.  PERIOD.  END OF STORY.
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« Reply #698 on: June 29, 2007, 07:44:53 PM »
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Yes, and if you read Cathy's site, under the 501, she's not required to report to the IRS either unless it's over, I believe it was, 25,000 per year.


So fucking what?  The industry killed her child.  She has helped get laws changed since 1990.  She's a real advocate - not somone who refers to outfits like PURE or unlicense transport companies like Isabelle does.

Why don't you do your homework and find out how her child died and in what program?  The lady who owned the program still works in the industry today and according to trial testimony, is associated with PURE.

GAYLE PALMER DEGRAFF.

Google it then STFU.  You are barking up the wrong tree in your desperation.

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« Reply #699 on: June 29, 2007, 07:51:58 PM »
I am not talking about Cathy, I am talking about Sandy, and the fact that I think this whole thing was started because of money.  Money is always at the end of everything.

As far as regulating programs and referrals, I damb sure believe that needs to be done, starting with congress and getting Bills past, and putting your efforts into that instead of using a poor traumatized family as a pawn.  That's all I am saying.  Everyone screams about abuse, that's abuse too!  And an abuse of power.

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Get the whole  industry regulated and go after the big fish!
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« Reply #700 on: June 29, 2007, 07:54:15 PM »
By the way, do you kiss your mother with that mouth? :flame:
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« Reply #701 on: June 29, 2007, 07:56:03 PM »
IMO, it's disgusting (maybe even pathological) to be this obsessed with defending izzy as to pick on the mother of a child killed in one of these unregulated programs that are referred by these outfits.
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« Reply #702 on: June 29, 2007, 08:00:47 PM »
I am so not picking on her, I am picking at the whole thing!  I think you are all a bunch of crooks.
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« Reply #703 on: June 29, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
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« Reply #704 on: June 29, 2007, 08:01:50 PM »
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I am not talking about Cathy, I am talking about Sandy, and the fact that I think this whole thing was started because of money.  Money is always at the end of everything.

As far as regulating programs and referrals, I damb sure believe that needs to be done, starting with congress and getting Bills past, and putting your efforts into that instead of using a poor traumatized family as a pawn.  That's all I am saying.  Everyone screams about abuse, that's abuse too!  And an abuse of power.

 :flame:  :flame:  :flame:  :flame:

Get the whole  industry regulated and go after the big fish!


Big fish, small fish, it's not the size that counts.

They are all dangerous.  

Now, do you think you can go find another board to post on?  Nobody here is interested in replaying this saga over and over.  The cat is outta the bag.  Let it go ...
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