BAN THAT FUCKER TSW

[psy]

If some fuckrag of a parent has a problem with it they can cry me a river.

And I'm sorry, but I can't have that.  You can't insult parents and simultaneously expect them to respect, or even listen to you.  If you want to calmly explain why they are disliked, that is fine, but you can't lace it with "fuck you".  I want parents to feel safe, as well as the survivors who post there.  I hold the same standard to both groups.

I didn't vote at all.  The irony here, is that your vote is what got you banned.  Don't complain.

[Anonymous]

Educating parents is one thing - opening the door to propagandic, self-serving program parents is another.

Banning TSW for expressing his opinion amounts to censorship plain and simple.

The fact that you justify this as being necessary or appropriate in order to insure the "safety" of parents smacks of the same kind of crap that ST is so infamous for.

Don't shoot the messenger, in other words.

[nimdA]

As I told you in Yahoo I'm not complaining. I'm relieved. Now enjoy your struggling retards 2 forum.

[psy]

Educating parents is one thing - opening the door to propagandic, self-serving program parents is another.

Banning TSW for expressing his opinion amounts to censorship plain and simple.

He banned himself with his vote, which comprised of 50% of the vote.  BOTH survivors AND parents have to aggree on a ban for a person to get banned.  HE was the only person that fit into the first category, so his vote made up 50% of he final total.  plus.. he was trying to get banned:

dan_the_chainsawman
Psy I think you opened the pandoras box the minute you put this up to a vote.
I mean you had to have known I wasn't going to take it lightly.
And you had to have had some clue that I've a lot of supporters who aren't the most ethical variety on fornits.
psyborgue
No, i didn't. You must have thought a symbolic gesture like "ban me" would have been noble somehow.. Your vote, effectively, made up 50% of the final total
dan_the_chainsawman
fuck no dude.
I really wanted to be banned.
psyborgue
why?
dan_the_chainsawman
well more just demoderated.
I figured I'd get banned later for something better.
1:45 PMbut now works.
dan_the_chainsawman
Psy I think you opened the pandoras box the minute you put this up to a vote.
I mean you had to have known I wasn't going to take it lightly.
And you had to have had some clue that I've a lot of supporters who aren't the most ethical variety on fornits.
psyborgue
No, i didn't. You must have thought a symbolic gesture like "ban me" would have been noble somehow.. Your vote, effectively, made up 50% of the final total
dan_the_chainsawman
fuck no dude.
I really wanted to be banned.
psyborgue
why?
dan_the_chainsawman
well more just demoderated.
I figured I'd get banned later for something better.
1:45 PMbut now works.

Fuck that shit.  I don't want a person trying to fuck up my forum posting.  I will only moderate attacks.  Since he seem to be unable to talk to parents without calling them "retards" etc... What the fuck am I supposed to do?  I'm trying to create a place where parents can feel safe as well as survivors, so they can get talking (as long as no attacks) and both sides can start to figure out how completely they were fucked by program (as my parents did)...  Destroying relationships with parents is part of the program's design.  I want to help fix that by getting both sides to talk, and that can't happen if parents are scared off!

The fact that you justify this as being necessary or appropriate in order to insure the "safety" of parents smacks of the same kind of crap that ST is so infamous for.

Don't shoot the messenger, in other words.

The messenger shot himself by voting for his own ban!!!!

[Anonymous]

I think here we have significant proof of why none of us should agree to post on that forum.

As you can see Psy has resorted to posting a private message conversation between himself and this dan mcgrath fellow. I'm going to assume Psy has now posted TSW personal name on the internet. Not a very nice thing to do by the way. This doesn't show the sort of stability that I'd expect from the operator of a forum. If anything it displays a complete lack of responsibility on his part.

Let's all do the wise thing and boycott this new forum.

Psy you had a great deal of my respect in the past, but with this you've lost every single iota of it. I wish you all the best of luck.

[nimdA]

Oh boy............

ummm.... yeah.. no comment.


 :lol:

[nimdA]

Oh yeah dan mcgrath ain't my name.

[psy]

I think here we have significant proof of why none of us should agree to post on that forum.

As you can see Psy has resorted to posting a private message conversation between himself and this dan mcgrath fellow.

Where is that written?  it clearly says "Dan_the_chainsawman".. and posting a private IM convo isn't somethign that TSW wouldn't do...:

http://www.freepowerboards.com/struggli ... out29.html

I'm going to assume Psy has now posted TSW personal name on the internet.

hell no i didn't nor would I.

Not a very nice thing to do by the way. This doesn't show the sort of stability that I'd expect from the operator of a forum. If anything it displays a complete lack of responsibility on his part.

Let's all do the wise thing and boycott this new forum.

Psy you had a great deal of my respect in the past, but with this you've lost every single iota of it. I wish you all the best of luck.

yeah right TSW.  Since "Dan McGrath" is your alias, and not many people know that, I'm guessing you posted this.

[nimdA]

shit I'm getting senile in my old age.

DOH!

Still though you ought to be fair to our audience and post the entire conversation.

Including your comments regarding the parents who post on your forum.

[nimdA]

Nah on second thought don't bother. I already told you I wasn't going to troll your forum like a shithead. I'm going to be hunting for parental referrals, but even you said that was fair game.

[psy]

shit I'm getting senile in my old age.

DOH!

red handed.

Still though you ought to be fair to our audience and post the entire conversation.

didn't keep it.  I only copy and pasted that block since nobody is going to read a full transcript.

Including your comments regarding the parents who post on your forum.

You mean when I said most of them were pussies?  So?  When I said pussies, we were talking about things like offensive language etc...  I find it absurd to get offended by such things...  A lot of parents can't stomach Fornits.  A lot of survivors can't stomach ST?  Does this mean they are pussies?  Asking myself that question makes me wonder if I was too quick in calling most ST parents pussies.  I'm just trying to get both sides talking, and that can only happen if both sides feel safe from attacks.

You called parents "Struggling Retards" on the forum, as well as a lot of other things.  The "test" for me, is if you substited, for example "struggling druggies", would a survivor be offended?  That being said, you would not have been banned had you not voted for it.  Had I voted, I would have voted no; however as you said, you wanted to get banned, and were trying to get banned.  You might say "well this is what you did to ST"...  Not quite.  I refrained from attacking anybody, and simply presented opinions and information politely, that got me banned.  I wanted to get banned, but i was very picky about what reason I wanted to be banned for, and as such, didn't give them a good reason.  You, on the other hand, were actively looking for one.

[psy]

Nah on second thought don't bother. I already told you I wasn't going to troll your forum like a shithead. I'm going to be hunting for parental referrals, but even you said that was fair game.

  There isn't really anything I can do to stop you.  I've banned you by IP, and will be very suspicious of proxies.  but as you said, there are ways.

One of the reasons I have allowed program names is so parents have no reason to make referrals via PM.  A parent recieving a PM endorsing a program will now be suspicious it wasn't said publicly, if the place is so good.  Don't expect to catch many people.

[nimdA]

Yep you caught me red handed skippy.

But this isn't about my forum moderation. You made that choice to post those messages. Live with consquences. I'm fully willing to live with my own consquences for posting the Struggling Retards private messages. Of course I'm betting that there aren't to many people here on fornits that will give a fuck.

I'm glad you were honest about posting your real feelings about the parents being pussies and all. I hope you do right an tell them all that. Beings they are far to timid to come read fornits.

And since I'm not robert bruce, yourself, or that fuck face the who I'm not going to bother carrying on with this. I have my thing, and you have your thing.

Though I will leave you with this thought.

Would you honor a vote to ban you from the forum?

[psy]

Yep you caught me red handed skippy.

you are getting rusty.

But this isn't about my forum moderation. You made that choice to post those messages. Live with consquences. I'm fully willing to live with my own consquences for posting the Struggling Retards private messages. Of course I'm betting that there aren't to many people here on fornits that will give a fuck.

I'm glad you were honest about posting your real feelings about the parents being pussies and all. I hope you do right an tell them all that. Beings they are far to timid to come read fornits.

I've told parents again and again that it's just words...  No, I wouldn't say "pussies" on my site, since it's moderated to be safe for parents and survivors.  I would be breaking the rules.  I might say "fornits has a lot of valuble information etc..." as Karen has done on ST before Lon realized his cheerleaders had turned on him and shut down the forum.

And since I'm not robert bruce, yourself, or that fuck face the who I'm not going to bother carrying on with this. I have my thing, and you have your thing.

Though I will leave you with this thought.

Would you honor a vote to ban you from the forum?

yes I would.  absolutely.  I would find another person to "own" the forum.  The thing I wouldn't do, however, is vote for my own ban.

[nimdA]

Just confirming I'm glad you are willing to be fair. Good luck with it. I'll do my part and squash any fuckwit trolls that make themselves known to me.