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Offline Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2007, 10:07:56 AM »
ISAC did a study of the effects for each survivor it use to be posted, how many speak to their parents , how many have neck and back probs etc.
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« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2007, 11:46:39 AM »
http://www.isaccorp.org/straight/isacsurvey.pdf


I wish I had the chance to participate in this....I guess this was done long before I found the sites.
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« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2007, 01:18:55 PM »
stats are so sad.............could not read the steps?????can anyone read them? I would have to disasociate again......
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2007, 01:59:16 PM »
Do you mean the link to the steps is unreadable or you just cant bring yourself to read them?

It took me awhile to be able to read them again....yup because it was entirely too difficult to revisit them. Dissociation, oh yeah I am very familiar with that...if it werent for dissociation I never would have survived that hell-hole.
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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2007, 02:48:52 PM »
the link is legible...sorry for misspellings....i just dont want to read them..to scarey for me right now and its been 20 years..how long did it take you to read them and was it healing?
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« Reply #20 on: May 19, 2007, 03:02:54 PM »
Quote from: ""happy to be free""
the link is legible...sorry for misspellings....i just dont want to read them..to scarey for me right now and its been 20 years..how long did it take you to read them and was it healing?


I thought so...just making sure.

It is scarey to look again after 20 years. I cant remember how long it took me to read them....probably not too long...I think looking at anything about Straight was scary as all hell.

Reading the steps themselves wasnt a healing "moment." But the entire process of overcoming my fears related to remembering Straight and all the particulars about it was healing....but it was (and still is) a very slow process. At first reading all of this stuff caused me to fall apart and end up in therapy with a PTSD diagnosis....but allowing myself to go there, work through all the pain it caused me etc was healing. But its different for everyone I think...dont force yourself to read anything unless you are ok with it.
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« Reply #21 on: May 19, 2007, 04:14:09 PM »
experiencing the world through the PTSD lens is so difficult for me on a daily basis...i would be afraid of having a nervous breakdown if I were to read the steps...and can not afford that right now...i have way to many adult responsibilities....healing is slow in coming...so has been good to write here and read good responses...thanks
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« Reply #22 on: May 19, 2007, 09:14:14 PM »
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Reading the steps themselves wasnt a healing "moment."

I'm very sorry to hear that.
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2007, 11:31:54 AM »
hope site was a joke...these places cant still be in businesss??????
still confused as to how they were ever allowed to be in the first place???? I would like to recommend a good book...Power vs. Force by David R. Hawkins , MD PHD...Anyway PTSD has a cummulative effect...meaning it only gets worse... so is better to deal with cult abuse as soon as possilbe...only problem is dont trust anyone to tell of get help from....i'm sure that is exactly what the program is counting on..that we all stay to shamed and scared to say anything...get help.... but PTSD doesnt work like that.. it just wont go away like we have been trying to think the program did...its effects are long reaching...in there still wreaking havok...so is good to see it all for what it was and still does...then hopefully at some point it will no longer have the ability to keep hurting us.....................
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« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2007, 11:45:58 AM »
No...SIBS is very real!

Look closely and you'll see for yourself!  :o
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« Reply #25 on: May 21, 2007, 07:44:03 PM »
Quote from: ""happy to be free""
hope site was a joke...these places cant still be in businesss??????
still confused as to how they were ever allowed to be in the first place???? I would like to recommend a good book...Power vs. Force by David R. Hawkins , MD PHD...Anyway PTSD has a cummulative effect...meaning it only gets worse... so is better to deal with cult abuse as soon as possilbe...only problem is dont trust anyone to tell of get help from....i'm sure that is exactly what the program is counting on..that we all stay to shamed and scared to say anything...get help.... but PTSD doesnt work like that.. it just wont go away like we have been trying to think the program did...its effects are long reaching...in there still wreaking havok...so is good to see it all for what it was and still does...then hopefully at some point it will no longer have the ability to keep hurting us.....................


yes there are Straight spin off's still open. So, Power v Force...does it discuss PTSD? So based on your research, does PTSD just disappear with therapy or just merely become more manageable, or under control? Personally I lean toward more manageable & under control but I really dont know the answer. Does a 20 year delay in seeking treatment effect one's ability to overcome this disorder? I know you arent an expert...I am just wondering if during your reading you have discovered any of these answers.
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« Reply #26 on: May 21, 2007, 09:26:28 PM »
I think ptsd is to be recoginized and managed..propranolol is a good drug for this..it helped me alot! i took 10ml for 2 weeks...look up drug for more info..... the way i understand it is it unwires the hardwired(bad memories)...adrenalin hardwires the brain and propranolol softens the adrenalin????? because ptsd has a cummulative effect the longer one goes w/o recognizing it the more severe the symptoms...irritability..depression.....its like an open wound and every little or big stress adds more injury until the wound is so big you cant ignore and have to deal...so i think it would be easier if you could recognize it earlier...but i manage and its taken me twenty years to talk about...i found the book help at any cost and it has started my healing..i was ready!...i watched some german holocaust survivors interviewed, who were imprisoned as children and one women said she did not talk about it for 40 years..unbelievable ...i think its worse for children b/c their brains are still developing????....anyway power vs force ..the hidden determinants of human behavior...is about consciousness...it is an excellent excellent book! and so is help at any cost...so grateful they were written
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2007, 12:07:01 PM »
1. Admit that I am powerless over drugs and come to believe that a power greater than myselfcan restore me to sanity.2. Make a decision to turn my will and my life over to the care of God as I understand him.3. Make a searching and fearless moral inventory of myself, daily.4. Admit to God, myself, and another human being the exact nature of my wrongs, immediately.5. Make direct amends to such people wherever possible except when to do so would injurethem, myself, or others.6. Seek through prayer and meditation to improve my conscious contact with God as Iunderstand Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for me and the power to carry that out.7. Having received the gift of awareness, I will practice these principles in all my daily affairs and carry the message to all I can help
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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2007, 11:26:41 AM »
how 'bout... we admit that our power, human rights, and dignity were taken from us while in straight inc and to this day our power, human rights, and dignity remain Ellusive.. we were forced to be ok with things that were not ok ...to believe things that we knew were wrong...we were forced(and we can all give examples of this force) to go against our conscience.... to doubt the very core of ourselves..... the consequence of this is that now we dont make a move w/o doubt...have a thought w/o doubt...believe a friend or are even able to make one w/o doubt....trust a system w/o serious doubt...we dont know up from down..cant seem to find that inner compass to guide us along b/c it was shattered and everthing to follow suffers...i think i live life in a better place now but then there have been these 'forks in the road' pivitol life affirming or the other choices i am forced to make(usually i allow someone else to make them and that has been even worse b/c we need to learn to trust ourselves again and to forgive ourselves...we were children) ..and i seriously do not know right from wrong...utterly confused and consumed w/ doubt and i end up sabatoging myself and it doesnt seem like something i would do....this is the effect...?????????
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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2007, 12:12:58 PM »
1. Admit to god, myself and others that I am powerless over drugs,
    exept when and where to do so would injure myself or others.

2. Work to establish a conscious contact with god as I understand
     him and seek to strengthen myself in all my daily affairs either
     married or single.

3.  Make direct amends to such persons whenever possible unless
     otherwise directed by my attorney.

4.  Make a searching and fearless Moral Inventory of myself daily
     and keep it personal.

5.  Strive to improve myself and my knowlege of drugs everyday
     searching for better ways to redeem my stamps and help others.

6.  Apologize to those I have trespassed against and surrender
     nothing to those who have trespassed against me.

7.  Having recieved the gift of Obediance,  I will practice these principles in all my daily affairs, and hold the door open for those I can help.

I actually wrote pretty much these exact words in my M.I. Book while on 3rd phase and we were told to turn them in for staff review.  Mine was gone over by Mike Murphy who probably had a fucking 3rd or 4th grade reading level.  Staff was pissed that so many kids never really learned their steps and was trying to "prove something" or some shit.  This was following some kind of OKTOBERFEST event that did'nt rake in as much money for the building fund as Executive Staff had hoped for.  (Fall of 1978)
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