Psy BANNED AGAIN from st

[Anonymous]

Jenna once told the mother of a bipolar pregnant girl to kick her out

[ZenAgent]

Oh, shit, they've re-vamped ST.  This is a disgusting bit:

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A nice Pontius Pilate touch, huh?  Lon's hands are blood-free...

They're becoming downright arrogant over there, too.  Larry Stednitz isn't a "victim" of anything.  The New Standard's retraction sounds like it was done under legal duress.  Michelle Chen is no hack journalist, and her copy would have been reviewed and checked, that's basic protocol, especially dealing with a touchy bunch like the "industry". Stednitz was "gotten" and couldn't deal with the embarrassment and possible financial losses, but that's just speculation.

[psy]

Jenna once told the mother of a bipolar pregnant girl to kick her out

But she wouldn't dare Send her kid to the Amish.. God forbid!

I would hope that before anyone sent their kid to live with the Amish they would do some research, especially if that kid is a girl.

I would never do that to my kid.

Jena

[psy]

Oh, shit, they've re-vamped ST.  This is a disgusting bit:

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A nice Pontius Pilate touch, huh?  Lon's hands are blood-free...

Pontius Pilate couldn't stop the crucifiction.  The local opinion, and law, that the romans respected, dictated death.  Apparantly ... Jeebus didn't have good PR people at the time.  Lon... He won't stop... Like I said:

"Lon Woodbury, by arguing against inspections and regulation by the state, and at the same time, expecting the state to substantiate abuse, has absolved himself of any and all responsibility (and substantially decreased the likelyhood of embarrassment) for the placement of his client's children. "

[psy]

Your threats fall upon deaf ears. I am not a hysterical newbie to the internet. I have been the target of various trolls, flamers and various other internet trash and never suffered a scratch. Personally, I'm not worried.

Jena the Teflon Queen of Mean.  "Internet trash"?  I guess that's how she views posters on ST who have a different opinion?  I'm a little more irritated with the ST folks as I read this thread.  Some retaliation seems in order, a solid punishment for being obtuse.

My guess is that they'll respond through Lon's newsletter like they did last time (remember his article on "spin" immediately after they banned me last time and I posted the reasons on Fornits.  They read this site diligently.).  They banned me for telling the parents what they don't want them to hear...  And like program, they can only manipulate parents if they control communcation.  God damn ST operates like a program.

If Lon's serious about the slipshod BM's popping up, he should make it the topic of his next ST "opinion".  He won't, it might run off potential advertising dollars.

No.. He'll probably do an article on the "principles of good practice".

[psy]

Just fired off another to Jena...

Fornits posters are not happy you banned me.  Multiple ST posters have contacted me via email to express their disgust.

Let me quote one of them:

"I feel badly that you got banned.  I know part of you doesn't
care, but I really think you tried to be civil.  I guess Jena and Lon
just don't want any debate.  That's a shame, because the industry needs
it."

And it's not who You think it is.  I've been talking to your locals... And they read Fornits.  They may not post, but they read Fornits.  

The more you ban me, the more you try and shut me up, the more you look guilty in the eyes of not just fornits posters, but those on ST as well.  An insurrection is where you are headed if you keep me banned.  Your program tactics (manipulating of the parents) only work by controlling communication.  You know this, so you keep me on "bans" with them.  Similar to a program, where those with too much "negativity" are in some fashion cut off... preventing the "disease" of independent thought from spreading.

You banned me because you what I have to say, you don't want parents to hear.  Just like a program.  Peer pressure is far more effective than any blatant technique of influence.    By eliminiting those who don't share opinions (banning, editing, deleting posts) you make sure your forum is populated only with those who "tow the party line".  One that makes you money.  Presenting alternatives is out of the question.  Again.. As I have said many times.. Every kid is right for a TBS in your eyes.... You're blinded by greed, rationalized away as "the only way" so you can sleep at night.  Take a good hard look at what happens to the kids you help send to TBS.  Of course you didn't have to be there.  You didn't have to look in their eyes.  You can pretend they never existed.  I remember... and I won't let you forget.

[ZenAgent]

Let's invite Jena to post her comments here, she doesn't have to worry about being banned.  Not the usual anonymous posts, either.  Say what you have to say in your defense, Jena.  Nothing scratches you, so scratch away at us...

[Nihilanthic]

Jena only hides the truth from those who already hide from it anyway.

Anyone who wants to know what is going on could see what ST is really about with a glance.

All this is is drama, because ST is a little heavy handed and Psy played by the rules so well they had to just arbitrarily ban him.

ST is a program, it controls communication, isolates, redefines, uses buzzwords, and basically inverts accountability to the victim.

Which is what we've said for years.

 :roll: If anyone "comes around" as a result of this they knew in the back of their mind something was wrong, and this was just the trigger to make them finally listen to themselves and not to the econs/programs/lon.

We know you're reading, and we know you know you can't stop your readers from coming here, you can just stem the tide of how many know of fornits... but its inevitable.

The truth has a funny way of getting out, Lon... even to you. How long are you going to lie to yourself?

[exhausted]

I'm not surprised

You speak your mind and make sense whilst doing so ..... you are damaging the industry, someone should have you shot at dawn for this  :roll:

[psy]

Jena only hides the truth from those who already hide from it anyway.

Anyone who wants to know what is going on could see what ST is really about with a glance.

All this is is drama, because ST is a little heavy handed and Psy played by the rules so well they had to just arbitrarily ban him.

ST is a program, it controls communication, isolates, redefines, uses buzzwords, and basically inverts accountability to the victim.

Which is what we've said for years.

 :roll: If anyone "comes around" as a result of this they knew in the back of their mind something was wrong, and this was just the trigger to make them finally listen to themselves and not to the econs/programs/lon.

Without communication control, program dies.  Same with any structure like it.

We know you're reading, and we know you know you can't stop your readers from coming here, you can just stem the tide of how many know of fornits... but its inevitable.

The truth has a funny way of getting out, Lon... even to you. How long are you going to lie to yourself?

I've toyed with that notion... Fool or Knave... Fool or Knave...  It doesn't really matter, the result is the same.

[psy]

In this one she gives more details on my banning...   no I didn't make this shit up:

we are not against differing points of view and we are not against information, but our primary purpose must be maintained.  The forum is to be a place for parents to find information and support.  It is not to further any agenda...it is simply exactly what it is.

Something missing there... OH!  right... logic!

I don't want any parent making the decision to place their kid without knowing all the facts.  I don't want any kid sent away by uninformed parents.  Do you???

Oh the HUMANITY!

You heard her folks.  DO you want that?  She thinks ST provides all the facts apparently.  If that were true, she would have no need to ban me...
:rofl:  :rofl:

There's some pretty funny shit in here.

It's Loooong. though..  took an hour to type.  There was a lot of bullshit to take apart.

[Nihilanthic]

Dear god she's like the Bush administration.

[Truth Searcher]

psy~
I'm sorry.  This is a major bummer.  I find it interesting that this has not been 'announced' at ST as it was last time.  

I find your points of view intelligent, supported by logic and very thought provoking.  I would say that most parents received your posts in the same manner.  I further think that this latest 'banning' goes to show the true motivation of ST owners.  Parents may be deceived by a program ... but we/they aren't stupid.  We get what Jena/Lon are doing.  It becomes increasingly clear when they continually ban differing opinions.  

You know the old adage .... 'If ya can't quiet the message ... kill the messenger".

[ZenAgent]

This is getting to be like the legal letters received by Pirate Bay, which normally end with the Pirates' reply to the attorneys to "get sodomized with a retractable baton".

[Anonymous]

Willie Nelson (Charly-Karen) started a thread "Psy Has Been Banned"
"Just wanted to point out that Psy, the young man who strongly advocates against program placement, has been banned from this board. I know many of us disagree with this decision, but the owners of this forum have the right to do this. There appears to be a line somewhere that was crossed, and strong feelings on both sides.
I, personally, respect his opinions and appreciate the input and dialogue.
If anyone wants to continue discussion with Psy, he is always available by PM over on fornits or by email. While fornits adheres to a philosophy of free speech which goes beyond what most of us over here enjoy, there is some information that parents should consider strongly before making a decision for their teen. "

Golden Guru posts:

I would like to add my voice to WillieNelson's. I for one strongly oppose this 'ban'. When making a decision of this magnitude, I feel it is of utmost importance to consider all credible views. I believe that psy brings a very important intelligent (albeit sometimes opposing) view to the discussion regarding programs. His opinions are further validated (in my mind) by his own personal experience in a program.

When we 'moderate' at the expense of disallowing differing views, we run the risk of disallowing intelligent persons to make informed decisions. Lack of information (good or bad) opens the door to manipulation and coercion.

To Lon/Jena/moderators at large I would like to add that I wish I had 'met' the likes of psy prior to making a decision to place our daughter. I would have liked to opportunity to really dialog with someone with a different persuasion toward programs. I would have appreciated the opportunity for a more well rounded picture ... in a safe and supportive environment such as Struggling Teens.

Respectfully.