Psy BANNED AGAIN from st

[psy]

Oh, sure you can find a few people to rally behind you and say you shouldn’t be banned, but the bottom line is you were.  Not everyone was banned, just you and its because you were not helping with the situation or speaking on an adult level

Are you shitting me?  Ok.. it's your opinion.  Whatever.

No, Psy, I didn’t, they were two separate examples.  I indicated that I have witnessed some pretty rough stuff going back and forth here on fornits over the time I have been here and no one has raised an eyebrow, but when I snickered about someone being thrown into the ocean all hell broke loose (I broke the rules)…my point being there are unspoken rules…. And you broke them over on ST, get over it and move on….

Could you be more specific as to what unspoken rules I broke, with evidence to support it.  Please.  I'd like to see this.

Can you leave this thread please. I can't make you, but, please leave.

That makes no sense based on what you were just preaching...we have been through this ...TSW has a forum in-which I dont post (who free), you could start a "I was unfairly banned from ST..." thread over there.

First of all, it makes perfect sense.  I cannot ban you, but I can politely ask you to leave.  I cannot enforce it, it is not a rule.  Why does that contadict what I said before.

You don't seem to understand the difference between posting a gorilla in a thread debating statistics, and posting it in a thread where a survivor is telling her traumatic story.  You just don't get the emotional weight of it.  You think everybody is as detached as you are?

Second of all, No I couldn't start a thread there.  That forum is for facilities questions only (hence the name).

[Anonymous]

Exhausted wrote:

....It does concern me however that there seems to be a real anger towards me because of how we are doing in spite of my kids not being placed in a program

I get just the opposite; I have encountered people here who have outward rage because I sent my daughter to a program.  At first I was like you are now and amazed that people could feel this way.

at least one of them .... is mad as hell at me for not going ahead and pllacing my kids - surely if a family can grow together without this drastic step, there should be cause for celebration  

Its going to happen, exhausted, …look at it like a “normal curve” you have your majority of the population in the middle 95.4% and then on each end you have your extreme cases (2.15% and 2.15%).  Then on the tails (3 sigma area, or better) you have those that are very extreme (fringe elements, we call them) who, on one end believe  --  any kids who smokes a cigarette should go to a TBS and then on the other end you have those who  -- would never send their kids to a TBS for help under any circumstances.
So it can be a shock to go from one end of the spectrum to the other, you get use to it over time, though.

Cool.
Looks like Las Vegas style gambling ststistics.

Go ahead and "roll the dice" then send your kid in to a program.
Theres plenty of evidence showing that these programs hurt people.

Why would so many different people come here and post similar bad experiences?Are we liars?Just a few out of the many that were helped?
What price are you willing to pay?
Oh thats right,you dont have to pay the price,YOUR KID DOES!

[Rachael]

As far as maturity goes, psy is one of the most mature people I've seen post between fornits and ST. Age is not a valid predictor of maturity. Psy actively goes out of his way to engage in intelligent dialogue with parents and survivors and to bridge the gap exemplified by fornits and ST. In particular the forum psy's just created to allow for moderated and yet still challenging discussion. I think that is substantially more mature than the recent actions of ST's moderators - ie. plugging their ears and going ::lala::  ::lala::  ::lala::  ::lala::


Rachael

[Truth Searcher]

@ Who~

What name do you post under at ST?

It is true that psy is not a parent.  He may be young (how old are you psy??).  He has never had to make the gut wrenching decision to place a child in a program.  But, let me ask you this.

All things being equal ... (non-parent, young, etc.) if psy came to ST to post his amazing transition post program - that is he went in 'troubled' and graduated 'healed/fixed' - do you think he would have been banned?  Trust me on this ... if psy came to sing the praises of being in a program ... if he was a poster child for the efficacy of programs ... he would be as welcome as rain in a summer drought.

This is called a double standard.  It is an insult to my intelligence to have dissenting views disallowed in a forum that is supposed to address parenting issues.

[TheWho]

Psy wrote:

You don't seem to understand the difference between posting a gorilla in a thread debating statistics, and posting it in a thread where a survivor is telling her traumatic story. You just don't get the emotional weight of it. You think everybody is as detached as you are?

Look Psy, this is one of the reasons you got banned…you don’t seem to be able to understand other peoples positions and you don’t hold them up as important as you own.
A prime example on how your bias surfaces is the Magilla Gorilla issue.  Here is how your thinking pans out:

 If you sneak into your neighbor’s yard and toss a turd into his pool while he is having a party and sharing information with parents struggling with their teenagers you think that is okay, maybe even funny.  But if your neighbor scoops up the turd and tosses it back into your pool while you happen to be having survivors over telling their stories all of a sudden it is wrong and insensitive and you feel your neighbor should have been aware that you were having a survivor meeting  before doing that because it is more important in your view.

…..you are heavily biased,Psy, and you don’t even see it.  You didn’t get banned from ST for no reason, we all know that…. You just feel your opinions carry more weight and are more important than others but they don’t.

[Anonymous]

Psy wrote:

You don't seem to understand the difference between posting a gorilla in a thread debating statistics, and posting it in a thread where a survivor is telling her traumatic story. You just don't get the emotional weight of it. You think everybody is as detached as you are?

Look Psy, this is one of the reasons you got banned…you don’t seem to be able to understand other peoples positions and you don’t hold them up as important as you own.
A prime example on how your bias surfaces is the Magilla Gorilla issue.  Here is how your thinking pans out:

 If you sneak into your neighbor’s yard and toss a turd into his pool while he is having a party and sharing information with parents struggling with their teenagers you think that is okay, maybe even funny.  But if your neighbor scoops up the turd and tosses it back into your pool while you happen to be having survivors over telling their stories all of a sudden it is wrong and insensitive and you feel your neighbor should have been aware that you were having a survivor meeting  before doing that because it is more important in your view.

…..you are heavily biased,Psy, and you don’t even see it.  You didn’t get banned from ST for no reason, we all know that…. You just feel your opinions carry more weight and are more important than others but they don’t.

If I was sneaking around in your back yard while you were throwing a cocktail party with Mel Sembler and Helen Petermann,it would be to help your kid climb out the window and escape your twisted gut wrenching child abuse,and I would leave a poisonous water snake in your pool just hoping you would try and scoop it up.

[ZenAgent]

You are not mature enough so you cant relate to what these parents have gone thru or the decisions they have to make.

That's the kind of attitude I see far too often on ST.  Maybe if parents listened to their kids and engaged in some give and take dialogue, they wouldn't have to resort to programs.  You can't relate to being in a program, who.  Psy can, and that's the much-needed perspective he tried to bring to ST.  The only thing you really know about ASR, who, is what some smiling sycophant told you while honey-glazing your ass to get at your money.

I don't pay much attention to ST, because it's nothing but an infomercial.  It's not a place for any kind of open discussion.  If mose weren't such an avid and rabid supporter of programs, he would have been banned long ago for some of the vicious comments he directs toward posters with opposing views.

I still think you're financially motivated to post on Fornits, who.  Your activity seems to increase at certain times, like when Dan is gathering information from PV surviviors to establish a pattern of abuse.  You even stuck your head in down there in an attempt to derail the thread.  Careful sticking your head in, though - Dan will cut it off.

Your analogy about the turd in the pool is fairly accurate.  You're the turd in the Fornits pool, and we don't have a pool cleaner to remove you.  I guess we'll have to swim around you and wait for you to sink to the bottom.

[psy]

Psy wrote:

You don't seem to understand the difference between posting a gorilla in a thread debating statistics, and posting it in a thread where a survivor is telling her traumatic story. You just don't get the emotional weight of it. You think everybody is as detached as you are?

Look Psy, this is one of the reasons you got banned…you don’t seem to be able to understand other peoples positions and you don’t hold them up as important as you own.

Are you emotionally invested in that 250 page textual abortion you call statistics gathering?  Do you think emotional involvement is irrelevant to harm done?  Besides.... Your "pool" of "statistics" is notably less sensitive to thrown fecal matter, given that it is already comprised chiefly of it.

A prime example on how your bias surfaces is the Magilla Gorilla issue.  Here is how your thinking pans out:

 If you sneak into your neighbor’s yard and toss a turd into his pool while he is having a party and sharing information with parents struggling with their teenagers you think that is okay, maybe even funny.

Again.. how did i toss a turd into ST's pool (besides posting their reasons for banning me)... I'd like to hear what rules I broke, what people I offended.. please, please.. be specific.  Come on now.

But if your neighbor scoops up the turd and tosses it back into your pool while you happen to be having survivors over telling their stories all of a sudden it is wrong and insensitive and you feel your neighbor should have been aware that you were having a survivor meeting  before doing that because it is more important in your view.

Yes I would be offended if the neighbors threw turds in my pool.  But what did I do to them?  Again.. I ask you for evidence here.  Some wrong I have comitted.  If I am so blind, explain it to me.

…..you are heavily biased,Psy, and you don’t even see it.  You didn’t get banned from ST for no reason, we all know that…. You just feel your opinions carry more weight and are more important than others but they don’t.

Again... show me a reason I was banned.

Just because I treat you like shit doesn't mean I treat other parents that way.  You have more than earned my vehemence.

[TheWho]

Again.. how did i toss a turd into ST's pool (besides posting their reasons for banning me)... I'd like to hear what rules I broke, what people I offended.. please, please.. be specific. Come on now.

You didn’t…..This is getting kind of funny…you keep missing the point.  The gorilla was tossed into thewho thread and I tossed it back into the Facilities thread and so “The Pool example”…nothing to do with ST (go back and read it).  But you thought it was insensitive of me but not insensitive of anyone else because of your point of view.  This shows you have a bias.  It is not a slight against you, doesn’t make you a bad person, but it is there never the less.
If you are posting in a forum and have a bias, like most of us do, it is going to show and people will treat you differently and you will draw biased conclusions based on your experiences.

[psy]

Again.. how did i toss a turd into ST's pool (besides posting their reasons for banning me)... I'd like to hear what rules I broke, what people I offended.. please, please.. be specific. Come on now.

You didn’t…..This is getting kind of funny…you keep missing the point.

Help me understand.  Maybe I am blinded by group-think, or just plain too dense.  You say, "I have read your posts, they are off base and insensitive from their point of view and you carry your baggage from fornits over there." and yet you can provide no examples.

You pretend we are not talking about ST, that we are talking about the Gorilla now, becuase you cannot answer that question.  Clearly, the topic was my ST banning just a post or so ago.  Is your memory really that short, or do you think mine is?

Do you work in press relations by chance?

The gorilla was tossed into thewho thread and I tossed it back into the Facilities thread and so “The Pool example”…nothing to do with ST (go back and read it).

I read it.  It said, "having a party and sharing information with parents struggling with their teenagers"... What else could that mean.. Unless you refer to "The Who" thread as informative.  Wow... Just look at the information gathering methods, impeccable attention to detail....etc...  Hey... There's a market for it.  You could sell your statistics to NATSAP! (as if you don't already plan to do something similar)

But you thought it was insensitive of me but not insensitive of anyone else because of your point of view.  This shows you have a bias.

Even if I did have a bias (translation: opinion), I did not break the rules of the forum.  You claim I offended the locals...  Examples please.

It is not a slight against you, doesn’t make you a bad person, but it is there never the less.
If you are posting in a forum and have a bias, like most of us do, it is going to show and people will treat you differently and you will draw biased conclusions based on your experiences.

Everybody and everything is biased since it is from a certain point of view.  Is it possible not to have a point of view?  If you say yes, you're fooling yourself.. or brain dead (both are plausible in this case); however, a point of view is no reason to ban somebody, especially when it is presented in a respectful manner, and nobody is offended.  You say "Not everyone was banned, just you and its because you were not helping with the situation or speaking on an adult level"[/u]...  Support it if you can.  But you can't. So you will change the subject, or leave out this portion of the message in your response.... maybe bring up the gorilla again.

Is your definition of "speaking on adult level" somewhat similar to: "pretending to not have a bias"(like fox news)?

[Nihilanthic]

Relax, he's quiet now.

Anyway

I just thought I'd chime in and let you know that it was ME who posted that, Who, not Psy. Psy has nothing to do with it.

If you have something to bitch about regarding a screaming ape, take it up with me!

Also, I should let you know, that you're a lot like that ape. You both make nose, disrupt things, and rant and rave, but have little of substance. Discoherent screaming, and... bullshit that you can't back up, respectively.

It is amusing how your programmie nature continually comes out from time to time, it really is.

But, at any rate, back to your regularly scheduled derailed thread c/o The Who.

[Anonymous]

Relax, he's quiet now.

Anyway

I just thought I'd chime in and let you know that it was ME who posted that, Who, not Psy. Psy has nothing to do with it.

If you have something to bitch about regarding a screaming ape, take it up with me!

Also, I should let you know, that you're a lot like that ape. You both make nose, disrupt things, and rant and rave, but have little of substance. Discoherent screaming, and... bullshit that you can't back up, respectively.

It is amusing how your programmie nature continually comes out from time to time, it really is.

But, at any rate, back to your regularly scheduled derailed thread c/o The Who.

Im a derranged person who's only desire is to fill this board with spam.
 "The Who"'s participation here is clearly not sincere and its obvious that "The Who" is participating here just to disrupt and distract.
I told you guys to just ignor The Who,just like you ignor my threatening posts.

[nimdA]

Take up the pledge then cheetoh.

[TheWho]

Relax, he's quiet now.

Anyway

I just thought I'd chime in and let you know that it was ME who posted that, Who, not Psy. Psy has nothing to do with it.

If you have something to bitch about regarding a screaming ape, take it up with me!

Also, I should let you know, that you're a lot like that ape. You both make nose, disrupt things, and rant and rave, but have little of substance. Discoherent screaming, and... bullshit that you can't back up, respectively.

It is amusing how your programmie nature continually comes out from time to time, it really is.

But, at any rate, back to your regularly scheduled derailed thread c/o The Who.

Niles, no one insinuated that Psy posted the ape, I nor anyone else...it was easily traced back to you.....you should read more before jumping to conclusions....we liked the ape, but it became disruptive in some forums for some other people, thats all.

[Rachael]

Niles, no one insinuated that Psy posted the ape, I nor anyone else...it was easily traced back to you.....you should read more before jumping to conclusions....we liked the ape, but it became disruptive in some forums for some other people, thats all.

[/b]

I love how the only person on fornits who has the audacity to speak for fornits posters as a group is the one who least represents any of us.


Who is we Mister Who?


Rachael