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I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« on: April 21, 2007, 05:05:22 PM »
http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxwD4UGnJjc

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/21/alec-bald ... o-daughter

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An enraged Alec Baldwin unleashed a volcanic tirade of threats and insults on his 11-year-old daughter, Ireland, calling her a "thoughtless little pig," and bashing her mother Kim Basinger -- and TMZ has obtained the whole thing unfiltered and raw. And we've learned, a family law judge was so alarmed after hearing the tape, she has temporarily barred Baldwin from having any contact with his child.

After Ireland failed to answer her father's scheduled phone call from New York on April 11, Alec went berserk on her voice mail, saying "Once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone," adding, "you have insulted me for the last time."

Switching his train of thought, Baldwin then exercised his incredible parenting skills and took a shot at his ex-wife, declaring, "I don't give a damn that you're 12-years-old or 11-years-old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn't care about what you do." The irate Baldwin went on to say, "You've made me feel like s**t" and threatened to "straighten your ass out."

"This crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother," screamed Baldwin, "and you do it to me constantly over and over again."

Before hanging up, Baldwin warned the child, "You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me." That's tomorrow.

We've learned that on Wednesday, Los Angeles County Superior Court commissioner Maren Nelson heard the tape and temporarily suspended Baldwin's visitation rights. A hearing is set for May 4, where the judge could permanently deny Baldwin visitation or contact with Ireland.

Calls to Basinger's attorneys, celebrity lawyers Neal Hersh and Judy Bogen, were not returned.

Baldwin's lawyer, Vicki Greene, told TMZ, "Whatever happened yesterday was sealed and confidential. What you're telling me you've got you shouldn't have."

UPDATE: Basinger's publicist, Annette Wolfe, told TMZ: "The voicemail speaks for itself."
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I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2007, 10:57:35 AM »
I've heard the Baldwin tape, and while I consider it beyond horrible, I've heard worse directed at my "new" family.  My wife's ex-husband crossed lines that made Baldwin look like Mr. Rogers.  We had to "rescue" my step-daughter from her biological father's house a few years ago during a visitation after she discovered his not-too-well concealed stash of drugs.  Despite my wife claiming she must have gotten her pick-up time wrong to prevent the lunatic blowing-up , bio-dad pressed the issue until the real reason came out.  Then he unleashed a torrent of ear-piercing cursing, at one point screaming into his (then) 14 year-old daughter's face that she was  "a lying bitch" and ordering her to get all her "fucking shit" out of his house. He walked out with a handful of her belongings and hurled them into our van, then noticed me sitting in the passenger seat.  He glared, but cooled his tone a bit and continued throwing his daughter's things out.

When my step-daughter got in the car, she was a wreck, sobbing, hurt and angry.  I'll never forget the look she gave me when she got in the van, it was a teary, pleading, confused look.  The first thing she said, straight from the heart:

"I HATE THAT MOTHERFUCKER, I WISH HE WERE DEAD!"

What could anyone say?  What adult reacts with anger to a kid who's only "crime" was being utterly scared and confused by the discovery of her father's drugs and paraphernalia?

Later , when I told my wife I had never seen such an unbalanced, irrational outburst, she said "that was nothing, really.  He's been far, far worse, ripping doors off, cornering the kids and screaming for ages,"  Once, he thought his son had ignored him at a soccer game because he didn't wave to him.  That set off a three hour cursing rage, demanding an explanation other than "I didn't see you,"  Bio-dad said that was "BULLSHIT!  BULLSHIT!"  

My step daughter heard the Baldwin tape, and said it wasn't that bad, she'd heard "a whole lot worse".  It's heartbreaking.

At least Baldwin's going to answer for it.  My step-daughter refused to see her bio-dad for two years, and when he saw an opportunity to snatch custody through a shady, deceitful court order, he threw her in Peninsula Village.  An evaluation done before she was sent to PV made the father-daughter situation clear:   the only options available at the time were the father's desire to place her in Peninsula Village, or send her to live with him.  The psychiatrist said living with the father was "NOT an option, due to the strained relationship".  It's sad to think a professional considered Peninsula Village a safer environment than the father's home.  In a private discussion with my wife and I, the psychiatrist asked if we were positive we would win custody back during our court date, which was a week away.  We were positive due process would work, since the whole seizure of custody stank of fraud, and that seemed to put the psychiatrist's mind at ease.  What a shock that day in court, when the same Judge who granted temporary custody refused to admit he had made a mistake.  We "fixed" the custody problem eventually, but 7 months in PV was a terrible vengeance for a father to exact from his own child.

Why can't parents realize their words can sometimes do more damage than fists?
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I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2007, 10:16:47 PM »
Eliscu, I'm sorry to hear you went through both types of verbal abuse.  I sometimes forget the cruelest words aren't always delivered at 120 decibels.

You and my step-daughter are a lot alike - anyone who tried screaming at our girl was an amateur compared to her dad, and she could shut-out the meager rantings of a clinical staffer.  My step-daughter was also a non-participant, spending much of her time at PV in "shutdown", which means sitting upright on your bedbox in silence.  She loves music, and filled the down-time with tunes from her mental jukebox, which helped her cope.

There is a process to help you get over some of the PTSD, it's a "release" therapy.  Deborah knows more about it than I do, you should PM her about it.  My girl is waiting to do it, but there are some legal issues preventing it at the moment.  Basically, she needs the memories a little longer, terrible as they are.  A good LCSW is capable of taking you through this "release".

Your artwork is great, I've been to your site.  I've been interested in Kabbalah (ka-ba-la, not Britney Spears/Madonna's pop ka-BA-la - pronounce it correctly, people!) for a long time.  It was a disappointment to discover I was far too old to begin serious study of Kabbalah at the age of twenty, not to mention I'm not exactly Jewish, although if you knew my last name you'd give me the benefit of the doubt.  I did draw links from Kabbalah to Kundalini, the nearly identical points of the sefirot matching Kundalini.

You're right, Alec Baldwin's daughter should be fine.  You and my step daughter went through far worse, and with time you'll get past it.  Baldwin's daughter is fortunate to receive the legal intervention, and maybe her dad can work on those anger issues.  I thought his best acting role was playing the prick from "uptown" in Glengarry Glenross.  Now I realize the asshole wasn't acting.
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\"Allah does not love the public utterance of hurtful speech, unless it be by one to whom injustice has been done; and Allah is Hearing, Knowing\" - The Qur\'an

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\"I\'m there to handle kids that are psychotic, suicidal, homicidal, or have commited felonies. Oh yeah, I am also there to take them down when they are rowdy so the nurse can give them the booty juice.\"

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I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« Reply #3 on: April 24, 2007, 06:54:54 AM »
My own mother practiced what I called the "silent treatment".  Sometimes I wished she would just yell/scream and tell me what it was that I had done to deserve the cold shoulder.

To this day she "dismisses" me when the conversation takes a turn that she does not particularly like.  Especially when I have a differing view or opinion.  She simply says "I'm going to hang up now".  "I'm going to leave now".  And she does.  She follows up with days of silence.

As an adult, I am much better to process this.  But, as a child/teen it was very difficult.  

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I sometimes forget the cruelest words aren't always delivered at 120 decibels.

Sometimes cruelty takes the form of absolute silence.
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Re: I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 03:53:47 AM »
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I've heard the Baldwin tape, and while I consider it beyond horrible, I've heard worse directed at my "new" family.  My wife's ex-husband crossed lines that made Baldwin look like Mr. Rogers.  We had to "rescue" my step-daughter from her biological father's house a few years ago during a visitation after she discovered his not-too-well concealed stash of drugs.  Despite my wife claiming she must have gotten her pick-up time wrong to prevent the lunatic blowing-up , bio-dad pressed the issue until the real reason came out.  Then he unleashed a torrent of ear-piercing cursing, at one point screaming into his (then) 14 year-old daughter's face that she was  "a lying bitch" and ordering her to get all her "fucking shit" out of his house. He walked out with a handful of her belongings and hurled them into our van, then noticed me sitting in the passenger seat.  He glared, but cooled his tone a bit and continued throwing his daughter's things out.

When my step-daughter got in the car, she was a wreck, sobbing, hurt and angry.  I'll never forget the look she gave me when she got in the van, it was a teary, pleading, confused look.  The first thing she said, straight from the heart:

"I HATE THAT MOTHERFUCKER, I WISH HE WERE DEAD!"

What could anyone say?  What adult reacts with anger to a kid who's only "crime" was being utterly scared and confused by the discovery of her father's drugs and paraphernalia?

Later , when I told my wife I had never seen such an unbalanced, irrational outburst, she said "that was nothing, really.  He's been far, far worse, ripping doors off, cornering the kids and screaming for ages,"  Once, he thought his son had ignored him at a soccer game because he didn't wave to him.  That set off a three hour cursing rage, demanding an explanation other than "I didn't see you,"  Bio-dad said that was "BULLSHIT!  BULLSHIT!" 

My step daughter heard the Baldwin tape, and said it wasn't that bad, she'd heard "a whole lot worse".  It's heartbreaking.

At least Baldwin's going to answer for it.  My step-daughter refused to see her bio-dad for two years, and when he saw an opportunity to snatch custody through a shady, deceitful court order, he threw her in Peninsula Village.  An evaluation done before she was sent to PV made the father-daughter situation clear:   the only options available at the time were the father's desire to place her in Peninsula Village, or send her to live with him.  The psychiatrist said living with the father was "NOT an option, due to the strained relationship".  It's sad to think a professional considered Peninsula Village a safer environment than the father's home.  In a private discussion with my wife and I, the psychiatrist asked if we were positive we would win custody back during our court date, which was a week away.  We were positive due process would work, since the whole seizure of custody stank of fraud, and that seemed to put the psychiatrist's mind at ease.  What a shock that day in court, when the same Judge who granted temporary custody refused to admit he had made a mistake.  We "fixed" the custody problem eventually, but 7 months in PV was a terrible vengeance for a father to exact from his own child.

Why can't parents realize their words can sometimes do more damage than fists?

This is real old, but I'm reading back and I want to point out the worst kind of abuse (short of physical abuse that causes severe, permanent injury) is emotional.

http://www.findcounseling.com/journal/c ... abuse.html
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Re: I feel sorry for Alec Baldwin's daughter
« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 03:59:58 AM »
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=BxwD4UGnJjc

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/21/alec-bald ... o-daughter

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An enraged Alec Baldwin unleashed a volcanic tirade of threats and insults on his 11-year-old daughter, Ireland, calling her a "thoughtless little pig," and bashing her mother Kim Basinger -- and TMZ has obtained the whole thing unfiltered and raw. And we've learned, a family law judge was so alarmed after hearing the tape, she has temporarily barred Baldwin from having any contact with his child.

After Ireland failed to answer her father's scheduled phone call from New York on April 11, Alec went berserk on her voice mail, saying "Once again, I have made an ass of myself trying to get to a phone," adding, "you have insulted me for the last time."

Switching his train of thought, Baldwin then exercised his incredible parenting skills and took a shot at his ex-wife, declaring, "I don't give a damn that you're 12-years-old or 11-years-old, or a child, or that your mother is a thoughtless pain in the ass who doesn't care about what you do." The irate Baldwin went on to say, "You've made me feel like s**t" and threatened to "straighten your ass out."

"This crap you pull on me with this goddamn phone situation that you would never dream of doing to your mother," screamed Baldwin, "and you do it to me constantly over and over again."

Before hanging up, Baldwin warned the child, "You better be ready Friday the 20th to meet with me." That's tomorrow.

We've learned that on Wednesday, Los Angeles County Superior Court commissioner Maren Nelson heard the tape and temporarily suspended Baldwin's visitation rights. A hearing is set for May 4, where the judge could permanently deny Baldwin visitation or contact with Ireland.

Calls to Basinger's attorneys, celebrity lawyers Neal Hersh and Judy Bogen, were not returned.

Baldwin's lawyer, Vicki Greene, told TMZ, "Whatever happened yesterday was sealed and confidential. What you're telling me you've got you shouldn't have."

UPDATE: Basinger's publicist, Annette Wolfe, told TMZ: "The voicemail speaks for itself."

Anyone else think that wasn't so bad? No parent's always nice . It's frustrating dealing with parental alienation syndrome, which the girl has supposedly.

Perhaps there should be a forum here dedicated to parental alienation? That's a form of brainwashing and it could attract many understanding people.
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