Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI

[Troll Control]

I think I made him mad again ....  The law is the law DJ .... You can take your frustration out on me, I can take it.  But after you calm down the law will still be there, it wont change unless the voters want it to.... thats a lot of people, I am only one.

Mad?  Oh, no.  Disgusted?  Sick to my stomach?  Yes to both.

Sorry to offend, but anyone who condones and advocates for a system that allows a raped child to suffer in silence and prohibits him/her from reporting it is just a deplorable and disgusting human being.  

This transcends anger and rises to the level of "Oh my God.  I can't believe that someone could possibly believe this or think this way..."

But it's right there, in cold print. You do.

[RobertBruce]

TheWHo: Lets imagine for a moment your daughter was abused in horrible ways. Lets not forget that many kids are sexually abused in private programs. Would you of believed your daughter when she came home and told you this happened? Why or why not would you have believed such a horrible thing might happen? How do you think she would of felt if people she told who are supposed to care, when she got home, just laughed in her face and said, that's impossible, couldn't of happened , dear. Maybe you can empathize with a loved one like your daughter since you seem incapable of it with posters online, who are people just the same with parents also.

And that's just it right there. TheWho cannot stand to acknowledge when wrong. Despite the fact that it happens all the time he'd rather pretend it never occurs. If his daughter had come up and said "Dad I was abused" or "Dad I was raped" he would have unequivacally accused her of lying and dismissed the entire claim. The reason isnt because he doesnt love his daughter (although he clearly doesnt) but it has more to do with the fact that for him to acknowledge that she had been hurt, he would first have to acknowledge he never should have sent her there. He would have to accept that he was partially to blame. That's something he could never ever do.

[TheWho]

Then we need to get everyone out to vote !!!

Change the laws!!!

Thewho

[RobertBruce]

The law in this matter is fine, its just ASR is breaking it.

[Troll Control]

It's not a legislative issue.  It's a law enforncement issue.  

The laws are there to protect those children, but ASR simply violates them ("The laws or the children," you ask?  Both!), just as other abusive programs have.  It takes a looooong time to get action from the state.  It took us over four years to get HLA closed or in compliance with the law.

Same with Ivy Ridge, The Whitmore, Casa by the Sea, et al.  It just takes time...

[TheWho]

Again,  Read the law... it is clear.

[Troll Control]

TheWHo: Lets imagine for a moment your daughter was abused in horrible ways. Lets not forget that many kids are sexually abused in private programs. Would you of believed your daughter when she came home and told you this happened? Why or why not would you have believed such a horrible thing might happen? How do you think she would of felt if people she told who are supposed to care, when she got home, just laughed in her face and said, that's impossible, couldn't of happened , dear. Maybe you can empathize with a loved one like your daughter since you seem incapable of it with posters online, who are people just the same with parents also.

He can't empathize with someone with whom he's estranged.  After 22 months at ASR his daughter went right back to her "old ways," as he put it, then moved away from him and cut him off.

He burned that bridge already.

[RobertBruce]

Again,  Read the law... it is clear.

Youre right Cindy it is, and ASR is breaking it.

[Antigen]

Oh for good grief people!

Vern, I hope you understand, at least, that Who is a perfect representative of Program philosophy and personality and that their magic snake oil cure for the insoluible condidtion of adolescence just that, snake oil.

On the bright side, the terrifying danger over which these sadistic lunatics want you to panic is really not all that big a deal. You think partying w/ friends is risky behavior? Well just look to generations past when disaffected young men took other options, like joining the French Foreign Legion or heading out into the Wild West to seek their fame and fortune and the girls just had to suck it up.

I hope the kid is doing alright. He's luck to have an aunt like you who has held fast to that quaint old habit of thinking things through and standing by family even when the rest of the herd is stampeding over a cliff. It'll all work out in the end.

[Deborah]

The law you posted applied to mental hospitals.  didnt see anything required for boarding schools or TBS's.

No, it wasn't. It was for "mental health facilities". Where consumers are involuntary committed and subjected to coerced treatment. There are only three places kids are held against their will 24/7/365- jail, hospitals, and RTC (TBSs, if you prefer).

ASR claims to treat

Emotional and behavioral disturbances
Anxiety disorders including post-traumatic stress disorder
Defiant and/or rebellious
Mild to moderate mood disorders
Academic underachievement and/or school avoidance
Attention disorders
Low self-esteem
Adoption related issues
Unresolved grief reactions including parental divorce
Substance abuse

And provides assessments

Please complete our Assessment Questionnaire to determine if your child may need placement services. All information submitted is confidential. The results will be displayed upon pressing the submit button.

Boarding schools don't recommend such assessments.

There is a $2500 enrollment fee that is due upon admission. If your child is on medication, there will be a $1500 retainer fee for psychiatric services.

Sounds like mental health services to me.

And what boarding school would hire a director/headmaster with a background in mental health?

Bartolomeo brings to the job 20 years of experience in the child and adolescent mental health field in diverse treatment settings such as residential treatment centers, outpatient clinics, hospitals and private practice. Prior to joining ASR, he was the clinical director of Children's Charter, Inc., a specialty clinic for the assessment and treatment of psychological trauma. He was also the director of child and adolescent outpatient group therapy at McLean Hospital in Boston.

[Anonymous]

Wow... five more pages of  ::blah:: and ::argue::   today; how productive.  :roll:

[TheWho]

Boarding schools don't recommend such assessments.

But they can if they decide they would like to

Sounds like mental health services to me.

But is it defined as such and recognized by the state in which it resides as a mental health facility?

And what boarding school would hire a director/headmaster with a background in mental health?

ASR does for one.  I have a program manager in one of our companies that has a degree in psychology.  (not a pharmaceutical company)

[Deborah]

Wow... five more pages of  ::blah:: and ::argue::   today; how productive.  :roll:

You wouldn't be trying to discourage dialog, would you? Just don't click on this thread if it's not of interest to you. I'm curious though, what you consider "productive"?

[TheWho]

No, it wasn't. It was for "mental health facilities". Where consumers are involuntary committed and subjected to coerced treatment. There are only three places kids are held against their will 24/7/365- jail, hospitals, and RTC (TBSs, if you prefer).

If the state would recognize ASR as a mental health facility, get them licensed as such,  then I would agree with DJ that a hot line may need to be installed.

But I cant agree to hold a schools feet to the fire over a law that doesnt apply to them.

[Anonymous]

Wow... five more pages of  ::blah:: and ::argue::   today; how productive.  :roll:

You wouldn't be trying to discourage dialog, would you? Just don't click on this thread if it's not of interest to you. I'm curious though, what you consider "productive"?

Hell, I could turn the same question around and put it to you!

And no I'm not "trying to discourage dialog" fraulein, i swear I'm not (perhaps an interrogation is in order?) because there is plenty of good dialogue as well as good trolling here. I like to peek in to see what's going on regardless. Maybe I just find all of this back-and-forth to be a bit of a waste.

Am I the only one who sees things this way? It would be much more productive to ignore TheWho most of time! What about starting another thread with the evidence and research you put forth instead of giving this flagrant douchebag the constant satisfaction of a reply?? :lol:

I think you spank him well, Deborah... but after a while it must get tiresome, even for you.... :rofl: