Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI

[Troll Control]

You don't have to let him hold everyone up, buddy.  The facts have been laid bare on the table and TheWho was 100% wrong and you were 100% right.  I mean, who are people going to believe?  The public record of ASR being cited for this offense, or TheWho saying they're in compliance?  This guy has no credibility at all  It's time to move on, with or without TheWho...

[RobertBruce]

Sounds good. So I suppose the next thing should be what steps we can take to force ASR to become properly licensed, and to stop denying these kids their rights.

[Troll Control]

Agreed. You can start here http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=255870#255870 and we'll move on from there.

[psy]

You are probably a bit younger than I am.  But when we needed to call home the nurse or principle would call for us while we were standing there.  After they were done they would ask “Would you like to talk to your son?”  Then I was put on…  the nurse or principle (depending on which room I was in) would busy themselves with paperwork but were within 5 feet of me so there was no privacy.  

OK, so one person within 5 feet of you doing paperwork while you're making a call = "no privacy," BUT four kids at a single table with a counselor monitoring = "privacy"?

You seem confused about this.

Also, from an ASR attendee:

"And there were call logs taken by the staff there about how your conversation went . If we complained about the school our counselors would most likely start playing the whole "you're manipulating your parents to get out of here", or pull the whole other "you could be at [insert hellhole here]. Somehow, it always came back to you and your issues. "

Verbatim Benchmark...  They used to say "you should be glad hellhole up on the mountain [in reference to CEDU]... Ironically, Benchmark is worse.

Hmmmm...  This kid reports not only complete lack of privacy, but also a staff member recording notes about his phonecalls for "group therapy" purposes.

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I've been on the ass-end of that one many times... not fun.

[psy]

BTW, thinking this thread should be split from this post:
http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... 542#255542
and move it to the Aspen forum.
Anyone disagree?

I think this thread should stay here until it dies off, hits page 4, and then a mod can move the thread to the aspen forum.

What i definately think should happen is to start a new thread for exhausted labeled explicitly "No - Who's allowed!".

[psy]

You are correct, Robert.

"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth"

Whoo...  Somebody put another stake in Mel Wasserman...  Sounds like we got PROPHEETS!!!!!  whee...  

Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.

It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.

This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.

So this puts this issue to rest.  Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it.  Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation.  You've incriminated them.  They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!

You were saying, Who? :roll:

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I havn't read the next two pages yet.. but i'm guessing he ignores this...  or at least enough to bla bla bla on.

[psy]

You don't have to let him hold everyone up, buddy.  The facts have been laid bare on the table and TheWho was 100% wrong and you were 100% right.  I mean, who are people going to believe?  The public record of ASR being cited for this offense, or TheWho saying they're in compliance?  This guy has no credibility at all  It's time to move on, with or without TheWho...

Aggreed... CRUSH, KILL, DESTROY: ASR! (metaphorically of course)

Any idea on how to get the government to actually do anything about it...  All I see so far is a slap on the wrist.

[TheWho]

Anyone that has been in a debate or pulled their chair up to a meeting may understand or recognize that something is missing........ take a look at the last several pages .........Give it a few minutes ... Take your time............................................................................................................................................ Okay times up, what did you see?  Nothing?.... you mean the table is empty?   No requirements?  No documentation?  So what are they all referring to, what law?  We have all been listening to chin music all day.  People citing this happened, this is required, that is required.  But when asked to provide the requirements we hear crickets.  They all know ASR meets the requirements and the laws of Massachusetts. They are trying to use laws that apply to a mental hospital and apply it to ASR , which they are not.


Bottom line, take what you read here and ask the school when you call and say you heard it on Fornits, don’t panic they didn’t hang up on you, they need to clear their throats maybe....... and then ask away.  They will clear up any concerns you have.

[RobertBruce]

Right...so again are you arguing that ASR can be either a traditional boarding school but not required to follow the laws of such an institute or a theraputic boarding school that's not required to follow the laws of such an institute?


Which is it Cindy?

[Troll Control]

 They all know ASR meets the requirements and the laws of Massachusetts. They are trying to use laws that apply to a mental hospital and apply it to ASR , which they are not.

If they meet the law's requirements, why were they cited by the state for violating the law?  Curious, isn't it?

"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."

We haven't even gotten to this other violation of the law yet, and it's even scarier!

[/b]It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."[/b]

This is good practice and very therapeutic, which is why ASR was cited fot it. :roll:

Bottom line is that ASR uses dangerous techniques that they've been cited for and illegally restricts communication for which they've also been cited.

[psy]

 They all know ASR meets the requirements and the laws of Massachusetts. They are trying to use laws that apply to a mental hospital and apply it to ASR , which they are not.

If they meet the law's requirements, why were they cited by the state for violating the law?  Curious, isn't it?

"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."

We haven't even gotten to this other violation of the law yet, and it's even scarier!

[/b]It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."[/b]

This is good practice and very therapeutic, which is why ASR was cited fot it. :roll:

Bottom line is that ASR uses dangerous techniques that they've been cited for and illegally restricts communication for which they've also been cited.

Yeah.  If they use propheets (LGAT), and that's what it definitely sounds like, ritual humiliation, denial of sleep etc... it's definitely there.  Been there, experienced that, got the t-shirt (literally... each group got a t-shirt)...

[TheWho]

If they meet the law's requirements, why were they cited by the state for violating the law?

The old, Documented evidence without the documents statement.  This is getting old....show us the Documents

I heard the report praised ASR for having an outstanding program and the state is in the process of using ASR as a model for pilot programs in a few of their high schools.  But I guess you just forgot to mention that little piece of information.

[Troll Control]

[/u]"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."[/u]


In case you missed it, here it is again.  This is from the local paper.  If you think the paper, OCCS and its investigator, Mr. Lieberman are all lying, then take it up with them.

ASR has already been busted for violating kid' rights under law.  Case closed.

[TheWho]

thewho wrote:[/b]

The old, Documented evidence without the documents statement. This is getting old....show us the Documents

I heard the report praised ASR for having an outstanding program and the state is in the process of using ASR as a model for pilot programs in a few of their high schools. But I guess you just forgot to mention that little piece of information.

[Troll Control]

Ha,Ha,Ha...  I'm not going to do your busy work.  If you have documents that show otherwise, post them.

We have already established these facts and I think everyone is comfortable with where we're at in this debate:

[/u]"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."[/u]

Sorry, Who, but these are the facts.  I guess you can take it up with OCCS and investigator Lieberman and try to change the records Ha,Ha,Ha...

I know you get mad mad about this, Who, but you can't change history and the state's records to suit your agenda...Ha,Ha,Ha.  You'll have to take this up with the state if you don't like their ruling, not fornits!  Do your own work, I'm not going to do it for you.  Ha,Ha, Ha...

This is where we're at.  If anyone can provide evidence that states otherwise, then we'll have to discuss how that can be interpreted.  But right now, we're all in agreement that ASR was cited for violating the law.