Academy at Swift River - Split from TTI

[Troll Control]

No, it wasn't. It was for "mental health facilities". Where consumers are involuntary committed and subjected to coerced treatment. There are only three places kids are held against their will 24/7/365- jail, hospitals, and RTC (TBSs, if you prefer).

If the state would recognize ASR as a mental health facility, get them licensed as such,  then I would agree with DJ that a hot line may need to be installed.

But I cant agree to hold a schools feet to the fire over a law that doesnt apply to them.

If it's a school, it is bound by law not to restrict commincation/screen mail/provide casework services or manditory therapy.  ASR is in violation of the law.

[RobertBruce]

Cindy are you really this dumb or just that brainwashed?

If ASR is a TBS then by law they are required to have a hotline in which kids can have unfettered access to as means of reporting abuse.

If ASR is a regular ol school then they are forbidden by law to restrict or monitor communications without a court order.

You pick which one, but either way they are breaking the law.

From the look of things though it would appear they are a TBS. Ive made this concluscion based on the following things:

1. They have mandatory therapy three times a week. Traditional Boarding School's do not do this.

2. They provide assessments, again traditional boarding schools do not do this.

3. When they were investigated by child services for claims of abuse CS stated they were improperly licensed.

4. (and most damning) they themselves fully claim and acknowledge that they are a theraputic boarding school. Even someone with your limitations can see that such an addmission pretty much seals the deal.

[TheWho]

guest wrote:

If it's a school, it is bound by law not to restrict commincation/screen mail/provide casework services or manditory therapy. ASR is in violation of the law.

Okay,  lets get the details of the law.  Look at the different ways they can be applied, exemptions etc.and see how ASR sizes up against what the state defines as requirements.
I believe they are presently under the rules of a boarding school so I would start there.  If the state decides to recognize them as a Mental health facility then we will need to apply those laws as well and or drop the boarding school requirements.

Its not up to you or I to define it as a school, boarding school, TBS or Mental health facility etc..  It is up to the state

[Troll Control]

You are correct, Robert.

"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.

It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.

This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.

So this puts this issue to rest.  Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it.  Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation.  You've incriminated them.  They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!

You were saying, Who? :roll: [/quote]

[RobertBruce]

And what you keep carefully avoiding is that Child Services of Massachusettess already told them they needed to become licensed as a RTC and ASR advertises as a theraputic boarding school.

If they arent should we add false advertisement to the list of infractions?

Neither they nor you can have it both ways.

If they are an TBS as they claim they are required to have a hotline for kids to report abuse.

If they are a traditional boarding school as only you claim then they are forbidden by law to restrict or monitor communications.

[Troll Control]

Okay, lets get the details of the law. Look at the different ways they can be applied, exemptions etc.and see how ASR sizes up against what the state defines as requirements.

Already done. See previous post.  It's illegal to restrict a juvenile's communication without a court order, period.

I believe they are presently under the rules of a boarding school so I would start there.

Yep.  And they're also in violation of the law.  They were already cited for this law violation by the state.

Got that issue cleared up.  Let's move on.  Further yapping about it can't change the public record of their blatant violations of childrens' rights under the law.

Next topic.

[Anonymous]

Wow... five more pages of  ::blah:: and ::argue::   today; how productive.  :roll:

You wouldn't be trying to discourage dialog, would you? Just don't click on this thread if it's not of interest to you. I'm curious though, what you consider "productive"?

Hell, I could turn the same question around and put it to you!

And no I'm not "trying to discourage dialog" fraulein, i swear I'm not (perhaps an interrogation is in order?) because there is plenty of good dialogue as well as good trolling here. I like to peek in to see what's going on regardless. Maybe I just find all of this back-and-forth to be a bit of a waste.

Am I the only one who sees things this way? It would be much more productive to ignore TheWho most of time! What about starting another thread with the evidence and research you put forth instead of giving this flagrant douchebag the constant satisfaction of a reply?? :lol:

I think you spank him well, Deborah... but after a while it must get tiresome, even for you.... :rofl:

 :rofl: :tup:  ::whip::

[Troll Control]

And what you keep carefully avoiding is that Child Services of Massachusettess already told them they needed to become licensed as a RTC and ASR advertises as a theraputic boarding school.

If they arent should we add false advertisement to the list of infractions?

Neither they nor you can have it both ways.

If they are an TBS as they claim they are required to have a hotline for kids to report abuse.

If they are a traditional boarding school as only you claim then they are forbidden by law to restrict or monitor communications.

This issue is settled.  They're classified as a "school" and they are violation of the law, one they've already been found to be breaking.  Doesn't matter what TheWho says, the state has already ruled on this subject.

Next topic!

[TheWho]

You are correct, Robert.

"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.

It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.

This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.

So this puts this issue to rest.  Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it.  Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation.  You've incriminated them.  They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!
You were saying, Who? :roll:

You are welcome guest!!

The only way any of us can effect change is to question the present conditions and try to get them to improve.  Business is a ever evolving process of continual improvement.
ASR is presently meeting all their obligations as far as the law goes, I think we have established that.  There are a few who interpret the law differently which is the American way.  If enough people feel alike then a vote is taken and the laws are ajusted to suit the majority.

I think everyone is comfortable with where we ended up.  Dialog is always healthy.

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha,......ya gotta love fornits.

[Troll Control]

You are correct, Robert.

"DSS passed the information on to the state Office of Child Care Services, which sent an investigator, Eric Lieberman, to the academy.

Academy administrators told Lieberman it was true that students were denied sleep for 19 or 20 hours during the first LifeStep session, called "The Truth." Staff and students might stay up all night, then break for a nap between 5 and 7 a.m., then continue the session until 2 the next afternoon, the administrators said.

It (OCCS) cited the school for"using behavior management techniques which subject students to verbal abuse, ridicule and humiliation, denial ofsufficient sleep, and repetitive exercise as a response to an infraction of a rule."

OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy incommunications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example (editing note: this is exactly the argument TheWho used earlier in the thread and it's 100% illegal!), if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily.

This is undeniable proof that ASR is willingly, wontonly and intentionally breaking a law which absolutely does apply to them - and they've been doing it for years.

So this puts this issue to rest.  Not only is ASR breaking the law, they've already been cited for it.  Thanks for contacting ASR, Who and posting the results of your conversation.  You've incriminated them.  They must be thrilled about your being their field representative/mouthpiece!
You were saying, Who? :roll:

You are welcome guest!!

The only way any of us can effect change is to question the present conditions and try to get them to improve.  Business is a ever evolving process of continual improvement.
ASR is presently meeting all their obligations as far as the law goes, I think we have established that.  There are a few who interpret the law differently which is the American way.  If enough people feel alike then a vote is taken and the laws are ajusted to suit the majority.

I think everyone is comfortable with where we ended up.  Dialog is always healthy.

Meeting their obligations under the law?  Are you crazy?  You yourself stated earlier in this thread that you called ASR and they told you they didn't allow kids to use the phone, unless monitored by a counselor at the time of the counselor's choosing.

OCCS has cited ASR for violating this law.

What part don't you understand?

[Anonymous]

Was DJ right about your daughter not talking to you anymore?

[Troll Control]

Was DJ right about your daughter not talking to you anymore?

He stated this in his thread.  She moved out and stopped speaking to him.  Pretty easy to understand why.

[Troll Control]

OK, folks, let's break it down Barney style for everyone again...

First this:

"I have been there I know there are offices and phones everywhere if kids needed help."

Then this:

"The restricted phone access is there for a reason and part of that reason is to keep the kids safe."

Next this:

"Okay, lets get the details of the law...see how ASR sizes up against what the state defines as requirements."

Then shown that this has already been done by the state:

"OCCS also cited the school for monitoring students' telephone calls and mail. The agency said that the right to privacy in communications, even for juveniles, can be restricted only by court order -- for example, if a therapist believes that the teen's communication should be monitored, perhaps to support a young person through a crisis in relations with his orher family -- and then only temporarily."

Finally, in the face of incontrovertible evidence in the form of a previous citation for the exact same offense, this:
 

"ASR is presently meeting all their obligations as far as the law goes, I think we have established that."

Anybody else sense a little "disconnect" here?  A credibility gap, or chasm, as it were?

"Oh what a tangled web we weave when at first we practice to deceive."  

Shame on you, Who, for intentionally misleading readers about the truth!  It's bad enough that ASR lies to parents, they don't need you adding to the lies.

This guy is just a flat-out liar.  Plain and simple.  In his own words...

[RobertBruce]

ASR is presently meeting all their obligations as far as the law goes, I think we have established that.

We've established that ASR is violating the law by not having a hotline availible to report abuse and monitoring communications.

We've established that ASR advertises as a TBS yet like HLA tells the state they are a traditional school.

This has been discussed and agreed upon. Youre holding up the rest of the class with your refusal to accept the facts.