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« Reply #45 on: April 16, 2007, 12:19:16 PM »
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Well, it's just that it's sort of endless. Who is just playing out his role as one of the usual suspects in this tragic comedy. He's not the least bit unique. If he ever wakes up or gets tired of this and bounces off, another one will come along.

How about we just try it for a little while and see what happens...?
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« Reply #46 on: April 16, 2007, 12:42:05 PM »
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My wife was horrified and enraged, and rather than follow the first instinct of fighting them, she got her camera and started photographing the insanity. The staff obviously knew they were wrong and being documented, and started howling "She's got a camera! She's got a camera!"

This is from another thread. But it shows my poiunt that these people know what they are doing is wrong. They pretend they don't to prevent being held accountable.

Just like theWho has admitted making fun of Programmers story was wrong. He would not have thought this, or admitted it if no one brought it up.

They see absolutely nothing wrong with what they are doing.

But they will pretend to, when people like us show up and call them on it, out of fear of being caught for the abusers they are.

Almost. I have the benefit or curse of having been involved w/ this cult from the time I was about 6 years old. I was sitting on the parents' side at open meetings and those never ending coffee klatches at Denny's into the wee hours afterward. I know more than anybody should ever have to about just exactly how program parents think because my mother was a prototype, my brother married a staffer and at least one of my nieces and nephews have been put through it. Not sure about the other. I asked my brother, he denied it. But then, he'd be perfectly justified in a little white lie of omission like that, of course, because if he told me the truth I might get all hostile and crazy and all. And why should he have to subject himself to that, right chillin?

The same loopy logic goes here. It's not that they know they're doing wrong. It's that they think they're endowed with superior insight into the dark depravity of the troubled teen monster. They think they're saving the world, they're martyrs. Why, they should be pinned with ribbons and medals, not held up to shame by the clueless public who just don't understand how much they sacrifice, how deeply they care and all the abuse they suffer in the name of trying to save just one kid from themselves!

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Sacred Science. The group's doctrine or ideology is considered to be the ultimate Truth, beyond all questioning or dispute. Truth is not to be found outside the group. The leader, as the spokesperson for God or for all humanity, is likewise above criticism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_Reform_(book)


That's how people like Sue Scheff get away with posing as sincere, caring, helpful people. That's why parents and, for awhile there, a good many program vets vested so much faith in her. They're convincing because she believes their own bullshit. They justify lying about some of the more disturbing aspects of it by telling themselves that outsiders just wouldn't understand.

Shit, somewhere there's an instruction sheet from SAFE, Inc.,for program parents on how to recruit other parents. It explicitly states that they should direct any questions beyond those they are authorized to answer to the staff office. By way of explanation, it asks something like "After all, if you knew what was really involved, would you have agreed to this?"

I think I'm gonna dig around and see if I can find that stuff now.
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« Reply #47 on: April 16, 2007, 12:54:40 PM »
Even in your family alone, there is a 4:1 ratio of program supporters related to your experience. So even those of us who are severely fucked over, still, the net benefit goes to program ideology because more people were infected than cured of it. The idea itself is infectious. You can almost see the wheels turning as the ideology is explained to parents fed up with their parenting job. Maybe they are right. Maybe society's progress is a bad thing. Maybe the answer is as simple as training a dog. This is offered up to them on a plate, and they chow down like the pigs that they are.

Just because someone puts a feast in front of you doesn't make you hungry. Those people ate because they were hungry for an ideology that allows them to express their control, greed, fear, anger and revengeful ideas on others, including theirs and other people's children.

My family has a 2:1 pro program ratio. If this is a numbers game, they are definitely winning. And if the believability of our stories is solely dependent on those of us who's how up to group on any given day, well, the reality of what is going on can be easily shifted to offer an ever increasingly appetizing plate for all those hungry parents out there.

That same rope slack given out for the hangin' can also be used as a lasso.
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« Reply #48 on: April 16, 2007, 01:31:09 PM »
It seems that way, sure. But only because the people who post are almost all either program vets or among the brainwashed. But we're not the only ones reading.
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« Reply #49 on: April 16, 2007, 01:42:25 PM »
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« Reply #50 on: April 16, 2007, 01:44:02 PM »
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In other, simpler words, Who, you think we'd be a whole lot more effective as advocates if only we would work the Program on each other and control the dialog the way you're accustomed to doing? Good luck with that!


We don’t need to work a program on each other, just not hold up a double standard.  If a program parent steps out of line and says something that doesn’t agree with the majority everyone steps in to point it out, which is great, you are all pulling together (checks and balances) lets get an apology etc.
But flip it over and say a poster jumps on a program parent and scuffs them up a little more than they should; no one, typically, steps in to say “Hey you were out of line, how do you know he was a bad parent….”  Or if someone tosses out a half truth to lead a reader to believe something that isn’t true or makes a school look bad, there doesn’t seem to be a rush to correct the accusation.
All I am saying is if everyone is bent out of shape because of my insult, where are these people when the insult is unfairly directed at the parents, should they be banned?  Should they apologize?  Should their feet be held to the fire also?
It would add more credability to the people here.
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« Reply #51 on: April 16, 2007, 02:10:48 PM »
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We don’t need to work a program on each other, just not hold up a double standard.
We? What, you got a mouse in your pocket?

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 If a program parent steps out of line and says something that doesn’t agree with the majority everyone steps in to point it out, which is great, you are all pulling together (checks and balances) lets get an apology etc.

No, you're missing a crucial point here. In your small world, you determin what is and is not reality by consensus. In the more commonly accepted reality, people speak for themselves. Frankly, with few exceptions, we all don't even like each other very much, let alone pull together for some purpose.

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All I am saying is if everyone is bent out of shape because of my insult, where are these people when the insult is unfairly directed at the parents, should they be banned?  Should they apologize?  Should their feet be held to the fire also?
It would add more credability to the people here.


Only from your point of view. See, you rest a whole lot of your belifs on the idea that we must be making this shit up. We're not. Why in the hell would anybody do that? You have pretty obvious incentive to "adjust" your perceptions. What's our incentive?

Honestly, I don't feel any particular urge to defend parents when they whine about getting back just a tiny fraction of what they've paid to have done to their own kids. Sorry, go cry on someone else's shoulder.
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« Reply #52 on: April 16, 2007, 02:32:19 PM »
I am sure it feels very comfortable and honest for you to reply to me this way:

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Honestly, I don't feel any particular urge to defend parents when they whine about getting back just a tiny fraction of what they've paid to have done to their own kids. Sorry, go cry on someone else's shoulder.


But if we inverted a few words I bet you and many here would all of a sudden find it offensive.  If anyone does, this is my point.  If you dont then you understand me.


"Honestly, I don't feel any particular urge to defend kids when they whine about getting back just a tiny fraction of what they've put their parents through. Sorry, go cry on someone else's shoulder."


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« Reply #53 on: April 16, 2007, 03:30:20 PM »
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I am sure it feels very comfortable and honest for you to reply to me this way:

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Honestly, I don't feel any particular urge to defend parents when they whine about getting back just a tiny fraction of what they've paid to have done to their own kids. Sorry, go cry on someone else's shoulder.

But if we inverted a few words I bet you and many here would all of a sudden find it offensive.  If anyone does, this is my point.  If you dont then you understand me.


"Honestly, I don't feel any particular urge to defend kids when they whine about getting back just a tiny fraction of what they've put their parents through. Sorry, go cry on someone else's shoulder."


...


LOL, offensive? No, just foolish and silly. And a clear demonstration that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

I've played both roles, jack ass. I have kids old enough to drink, vote, kill or die in war and who have shown me just what it's like to walk a mile in your shoes. Hands down, no contest, no regrets and without reservation I can say that you have no FUCKING clue what you're talking about!

Honestly, I'm not usually a terribly spiteful person, but I hope you land up in some horribly abusive, filthy, cold drafty nursing home one day. You'll be the only one who thinks you're not completely senile, though you'll struggle with doubts about that constantly. You'll piss yourself and be shamed and punished for it. You'll cry, which will give the staff a good laugh. Your kids won't believe you if you try to tell them what's happening because, of course, you're fucking nuts, right? Poor dear old dad, losing his mind that way...
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« Reply #54 on: April 16, 2007, 03:57:24 PM »
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It would add more credability to the people here.


And when did you become so concerned about the credibility of Fornits or the autonomous posters here? Give us a break. You would be thrilled if Fornits was no more.
Isn't this really about your need to control a "Survivors" venue? I believe it is or you'd go create the forum you keep trying to make Fornits become-it's futile dude.

There actually have been many times when regulars suggested someone back off and allow a parent to say their piece. If you have a bitch about someone specific, PM them.
There have also been a few program parents who gained the respect of survivors/posters by giving respect. They didn't come on and attack or troll/stalk people, or take up unnecessary bandwidth with mundane redundancy and irrelevant analogies/information, or misinformation-blatant lies, or derail discussions.
The problem with you, Who, is you give no respect but expect it of others, and I suspect this was at least one factor in your distressed r'ship with your daughter.

Again, you should just shut up and be happy you're even allowed here. WE certainly are not allowed to post on industry forums. Now, what 'fair and balanced' about that???
If there were a vote, the majority would say ban you, not because you support the industry, but because you contribute nothing, just one emotional defense of the industry after the other.  :cry2:
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« Reply #55 on: April 16, 2007, 03:59:32 PM »
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« Reply #56 on: April 16, 2007, 05:00:12 PM »
Hey, Who, I see you all the time saying you are "adding balance to the discussion here."  

Out of curiousity, can you link me to the pro-program, one-sided sites like StrugglingTeens (there are literally thousands of them) where you post items that reflect programs in poor light to "add balance"?  I'd like to see those, since you're on a crusade for "balance" and all.  

I'll wait for your response and links.  Thanks.
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« Reply #57 on: April 16, 2007, 06:59:02 PM »
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Hey, Who, I see you all the time saying you are "adding balance to the discussion here."  

Out of curiousity, can you link me to the pro-program, one-sided sites like StrugglingTeens (there are literally thousands of them) where you post items that reflect programs in poor light to "add balance"?  I'd like to see those, since you're on a crusade for "balance" and all.  

I'll wait for your response and links.  Thanks.


Devon, glade to hear you are doing well.  I will PM you with that information, thanks for asking.
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« Reply #58 on: April 16, 2007, 07:11:51 PM »
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Hey, Who, I see you all the time saying you are "adding balance to the discussion here."  

Out of curiousity, can you link me to the pro-program, one-sided sites like StrugglingTeens (there are literally thousands of them) where you post items that reflect programs in poor light to "add balance"?  I'd like to see those, since you're on a crusade for "balance" and all.  

I'll wait for your response and links.  Thanks.

Devon, glade to hear you are doing well.  I will PM you with that information, thanks for asking.


Hello Mr. Who,

I'd like a copy of that memo too please. Feel free to post it here, although I'll accept a PM if that's all you can offer.


Thank you kindly,

Rachael
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« Reply #59 on: April 16, 2007, 07:26:15 PM »
Cindy, while I'm flattered to know that Ive owned you so many times that you're basically trained to assume anyone else about to do so is me, this one wasnt.

I generally log in under my username Cindy, I like for you to know it's me holding you accountable once again.

In any event this guest brings up a good point. Can you provide links to opposing discussions where you "add balance"?
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