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« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2007, 10:33:28 AM »
It is ironic that he writes with such compassion about the kids he personally witnessed experience suffering. We witnessed with our own eyes children suffering as well, in programs, in this country. Paid for, by our own parents, deliberately. Ironic that he dismisses this abuse as exaggeration's and a few isolated incidents. Was his last sentence about seeing kids in cages, and grabbing him with his nails an exaggeration to make Russia look bad? I feel like a idiot even suggesting something that absurd. So how can he suggest something equally absurd about the posters here? Does he and I have a different set of human emotions? No, he knows what he is doing is cruel, but his hobby is to redirect and shut down serious debate by flooding this forum with meaningless statistics and using his personality to make kids think that parents do not care. It is a deliberate and carefully devised plan of his to enact censorship on this forum using his own means. Like the post a couple back, his goal of keeping survivors from posting their stories, has been accomplished.
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« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2007, 10:45:49 AM »
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but his hobby is to redirect and shut down serious debate by flooding this forum with meaningless statistics and using his personality to make kids think that parents do not care. It is a deliberate and carefully devised plan of his to enact censorship on this forum using his own means.

Instead of even considering a ban, he should just be ignored (I've stated this before.) Perhaps a sticky thread clueing in the new readers / potential posters is in order?
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« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2007, 11:13:09 AM »
You are partially right.  There are stories which I don’t believe because over the time I have spent here I slowly discovered there are people (like RobertBruce etal, to name one) who lay out half truths with the sole purpose of misleading people, not intending to share or tell their story.  This does an injustice to parents who are looking for honest information.  The stories which are true are used to paint the entire industry one color by others.  If gone unchecked the stories of kids being duct taped or thrown into the ocean would have made their way into every TBS and wilderness as a daily occurrence.  If people here were a little more honest and corrected each other and held each others feet to the fire a little more you could create a more cohesive strength and believability which would hold up as parents pick thru here looking for honest information to guide them in their decisions.  So, I was wrong in poking fun at the list, but my purpose wasn’t to dismiss his account but to poke fun (or bring to light) at the direction the information was going or potentially was going.  I apologize to programmer #5 who wrote it and experienced it from Paradise Cove.  It was insensitive of me, I am sorry
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« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2007, 11:23:01 AM »
Link us to the post that attempted to link Programmer's experience to everyone else's.

His post was not mentioned in the thread you quoted it in, not once, until you brought it up. You had no point at the time other than to poke fun at his experience. You searched for it, found it, copy/pasted horrible list of abuses that happened to him, and added your snide remarks. Is this how you make all your points?

It's clear you had no point at the time other than to try and make a joke at the expense of someone who endured more abuse than you could possibly imagine.
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« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2007, 11:25:53 AM »
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So, I was wrong in poking fun at the list, but my purpose wasn’t to dismiss his account but to poke fun (or bring to light) at the direction the information was going or potentially was going.

You made fun of his experience why exactly? Link us to the posts you were refuting with your "point" please, because I can't seem to find them. You are trying to find a justification for your sick humor, after being called out on it, that is obvious.


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I apologize to programmer #5 who wrote it and experienced it from Paradise Cove. It was insensitive of me, I am sorry


Go post this in the thread he posted in and explain why exactly you think it's funny that those things happened to him. Why is it "your favorite" that he was duct taped? Please explain that to him as well.
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« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2007, 11:28:01 AM »
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"Hey.. you got conned" isn't going to make TheWho feel better like it would some parents. He's too arrogant to admit anybody could put one over on him. He is looking for somebody to aggree with him, and will stick around until that happens. He is looking to hear that he was right (because, somewhere, secretly, he doubts his "truth").


I just got done w/ a typical email exchange w/ a program advocate, Dore Frances. Not sure I want to invite another slapp suit right now or I'd repost the whole exchange for comic relief. But it went something like this.

Somebody said something about Dore that she didn't like. So, typical of control freaks, she went searching for someone in charge who she might be able to frighten or otherwise influence to enforce her wildly delusional control fantasies on this person's free speech. I guess she wouldn't bother just PMing the person with who's words she took issue and I guess she already knew she'd get nowhere with me.

So, instead, she pretended to Kelly that she was just too inept and to unfamiliar w/ all this high tech computer stuff to figure out how to contact either the author or me. FYI to all. Kelly's a web tech extrodinaire! I'm eternally grateful to her for pulling this site out of the drain, taking care of an endless list of tech issues and all that. But she doesn't want anything to do with policy admin. So, of course, she just forwarded the complaint to me, I told Dore just what she already knew and she decided that " it is not worth my time giving these people any attention."

I think you're probably partially right about what motivates a character like Who. But there's more too it. Obviously, he's crushing on Deb to an embarrasing extent. Poor fucker, doesn't stand a chance there. But I bet Dore and Ottawa and others like them just swooooon over his bravery, facing down all us angry, ungrateful, fucked up Program wash outs, day after day, suffering the slings and arrows. Who knows, maybe he gets laid as much as Pirate out of this deal? Would explain a lot, eh?  :rofl:
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« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2007, 11:39:05 AM »
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Does he and I have a different set of human emotions? No, he knows what he is doing is cruel, but his hobby is to redirect and shut down serious debate by flooding this forum with meaningless statistics and using his personality to make kids think that parents do not care. It is a deliberate and carefully devised plan of his to enact censorship on this forum using his own means. Like the post a couple back, his goal of keeping survivors from posting their stories, has been accomplished.


Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. I think Psy's right. It just makes more sense. He's not actually shutting anybody down, even if that is his intent. If anything, he's keeping focus on the issue by playing the straight man to our narration; however unwittingly.

No, given the sheer time and focus this dude has devoted to his demonstration, it makes more sense that he's running on emotional need or financial gain.Maybe both. I understand his daddy is a principle in one of the banks that finances the industry. Corn pone opinions, anyone?
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« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2007, 11:40:42 AM »
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But I bet Dore and Ottawa and others like them just swooooon over his bravery, facing down all us angry, ungrateful, fucked up Program wash outs, day after day, suffering the slings and arrows. Who knows, maybe he gets laid as much as Pirate out of this deal? Would explain a lot, eh?

Ewww... thnx a lot, G...I just ate!  :exclaim:
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« Reply #38 on: April 16, 2007, 11:43:59 AM »
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Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. I think Psy's right. It just makes more sense. He's not actually shutting anybody down, even if that is his intent. If anything, he's keeping focus on the issue by playing the straight man to our narration; however unwittingly.

No, given the sheer time and focus this dude has devoted to his demonstration, it makes more sense that he's running on emotional need or financial gain.Maybe both. I understand his daddy is a principle in one of the banks that finances the industry. Corn pone opinions, anyone?

No, I've wasted enough time on him already..... next..  8-)

Eh, howza 'bout that sticky thread idea..? Ain't nobody gonna touch that one?

I see how it is...  :rofl:
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« Reply #39 on: April 16, 2007, 11:44:21 AM »
Sorry, sorry!
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« Reply #40 on: April 16, 2007, 11:51:38 AM »
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Eh, howza 'bout that sticky thread idea..? Ain't nobody gonna touch that one?

I see how it is...  :rofl:


Well, it's just that it's sort of endless. Who is just playing out his role as one of the usual suspects in this tragic comedy. He's not the least bit unique. If he ever wakes up or gets tired of this and bounces off, another one will come along. I had a little fun early on fucking with the likes of Nazi and his buddy, forget the name... some former Elan staffer who was frantically scurrying around trying to keep his skeletons in the closet. But then I realized that, all good intentions aside, I had made a fiction out of the dialog. Oh, it was funny as hell watching him respond to ghost posts that no one else could see and trying to harass this one gal when she wasn't actually online. But it wasn't really helping anything. In fact, I think my interference actually helped make the Elan forum the sewer that it is. Sorry.
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« Reply #41 on: April 16, 2007, 11:58:07 AM »
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Does he and I have a different set of human emotions? No, he knows what he is doing is cruel, but his hobby is to redirect and shut down serious debate by flooding this forum with meaningless statistics and using his personality to make kids think that parents do not care. It is a deliberate and carefully devised plan of his to enact censorship on this forum using his own means. Like the post a couple back, his goal of keeping survivors from posting their stories, has been accomplished.

Never attribute to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. I think Psy's right. It just makes more sense. He's not actually shutting anybody down, even if that is his intent. If anything, he's keeping focus on the issue by playing the straight man to our narration; however unwittingly.

No, given the sheer time and focus this dude has devoted to his demonstration, it makes more sense that he's running on emotional need or financial gain.Maybe both. I understand his daddy is a principle in one of the banks that finances the industry. Corn pone opinions, anyone?


 In the program survivor world, this is considered the extremist site. Now if the leader of the so-called extremist anti-program site is able to forgive parents who unrelentlessly bash program survivors and discount their personal stories of abuse and hardship, what hope is there really?
Program parents have money, they aren't retarded. They read through this stuff like anyone else, only the do not respond how we think they do. They take careful notice of the posts in which stupidity and ignorance are used as a defense of program parents. This can be extended all the way up to program owners. Until, miraculously, nobody is responsible for the abuse suffered, other than the victim themselves.
This is the strategy used by many powerful leaders throughout history including Dubya. Play stupid, let everyone's ego take hold and take pity upon you and lower their expectations. Unwittingly these people follow their personal agendas, not knowing they are truly playing into the hand of the program conspirator. This is the act of those skirting responsibility for the deliberately evil actions, and it works quite well.
Let people think they are doing what they want to do, if necessary, play their nemesis and fight them to convince them they are doing the right thing. This is what TheWho and others do on this forum in a carefully constructed attempt to make it look like we are a bunch of nuts and isolated cases.
So long as parents and program staff and owners can play stupid, and take the "Im a good ol' christian with a good heart" defense, this industry will continue.
We have seen the underbelly of this monster, feeding on the corposes and souls of kids and teenagers and everyone who hasn't does not believe that monsters are real. You can go up and down the street yelling that monsters are real, but nobody will believe it until there is a monster breathing down their neck about to show them just how real they are.
TheWHo plays the ignorance and good old christian defense like a well tuned instrument, he plays a beautiful rhetorical tune that enchant many because it's exactly what they want to hear.
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« Reply #42 on: April 16, 2007, 12:03:35 PM »
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If gone unchecked the stories of kids being duct taped or thrown into the ocean would have made their way into every TBS and wilderness as a daily occurrence. If people here were a little more honest and corrected each other and held each others feet to the fire a little more you could create a more cohesive strength and believability which would hold up as parents pick thru here looking for honest information to guide them in their decisions.


In other, simpler words, Who, you think we'd be a whole lot more effective as advocates if only we would work the Program on each other and control the dialog the way you're accustomed to doing? Good luck with that!

Sorry, really honestly sorry for your soul, but these extreme examples are part and parcel of what the industry is made up of. It's only a matter of degrees. Even in those places that you, from the outside, think are not all that bad, they use the more physically horrible programs as a threat to hang over the kids' heads to keep them in line. This happens again and again over years and decades, all across the country and under whatever corporate banner you may choose next. It's not coincidence, it's a perfectly predictable, inescapable result of putting zealot lunatics in charge of helpless kids. You can go on telling yourself forever that that's not the case. And you probably will. There are still Nazis drawing breath who persist in believing that the Holocaust was all enemy propaganda. Hell, there are still plenty of left wing socialists who still think good old Uncle Joe had it right.

But your stayed belief does not change the facts. And your insistence on declaring your beliefs only shows you for the fool that you are.
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« Reply #43 on: April 16, 2007, 12:09:33 PM »
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My wife was horrified and enraged, and rather than follow the first instinct of fighting them, she got her camera and started photographing the insanity. The staff obviously knew they were wrong and being documented, and started howling "She's got a camera! She's got a camera!"


This is from another thread. But it shows my poiunt that these people know what they are doing is wrong. They pretend they don't to prevent being held accountable.

Just like theWho has admitted making fun of Programmers story was wrong. He would not have thought this, or admitted it if no one brought it up.

They see absolutely nothing wrong with what they are doing.

But they will pretend to, when people like us show up and call them on it, out of fear of being caught for the abusers they are.
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« Reply #44 on: April 16, 2007, 12:15:23 PM »
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In the program survivor world, this is considered the extremist site. Now if the leader of the so-called extremist anti-program site is able to forgive parents who unrelentlessly bash program survivors and discount their personal stories of abuse and hardship, what hope is there really?


Oh, I have no intention of letting these fuckers off the hook! Just giving them enough rope and sit back and laugh while they sputter and choke.
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