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« Reply #15 on: April 16, 2007, 07:55:46 AM »
It seems "TheWho" fancies himself an expert on what did and did not go on at Paradise Cove, a WWSAPS owned facility in Samoa.

I wonder if he's read the dozens of similar accounts in sworn court testimony. I wonder if he's taken the time to read that?

He is so self absorbed he thinks it's about parents, that people post in an attempt to scare parents.

No, you sick, fuck, we are just trying to make sense of what dismissive abusive parents such as yourself did to us years ago. Get it yet?
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« Reply #16 on: April 16, 2007, 08:02:29 AM »
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an for the record it hurts every time somebody says "oh that didn't happen"...  It's like being in program all over again, trying to tell your parents what's going on, and being accused of manipulating..


He KNOWS it hurts. That is why he posts here. We are all like a group of ducks with a big target on our backs and he is going hunting. This is the easiest site to troll because people post stories about the most damaging events of their lives here. They post things that make them vulnerable. TheWho knows exactly what he is doing, and is laughing all the while he is doing it. He sent his daughter to an abusive program and now that he can't fuck with her, he comes here to fuck with anyone who will let him. The casualness with which he displays his vitriolic hatred is disturbing. Prisons exist for people like TheWho, he is the embodiment of everything wrong with our society. He hurts people for pleasure, is there anything more that needs to be said?
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« Reply #17 on: April 16, 2007, 08:06:30 AM »
TheWho needs to apologize to programmer.

Will you do that TheWHo?
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2007, 08:10:27 AM »
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It seems "TheWho" fancies himself an expert on what did and did not go on at Paradise Cove, a WWSAPS owned facility in Samoa.

I wonder if he's read the dozens of similar accounts in sworn court testimony. I wonder if he's taken the time to read that?

I doubt it.  See... The idiot is looking for details on why it couldn't be true, because he doesn't want to believe things can be that bad...  For example, the duct tape and the ocean example he cast doubt on... Problem is, he doesn't look at other indicators.. like the mother who paid to shut him up.  People don't do that without a reason.  He's interested in re-enforcing his existing view, not objectively looking at the big picture.  He focuses on "how many deaths in program" as if that's the only thing that matters... completely ignoring those who choose to die rather than continue with life after tbs... or those who try to end it, but fail in program.  This isn't even to mention the psychological damage to those who choose life.

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He is so self absorbed he thinks it's about parents, that people post in an attempt to scare parents.

No, you sick, fuck, we are just trying to make sense of what dismissive abusive parents such as yourself did to us years ago. Get it yet?


Nope.  Seen the 200+ page thread?  He ain't gonna get it.  He can't get it.  He's in deep deep denial (and i hate that word given that it's AA cliché).  If and when he realizes what he did, he ain't gonna be posting about it here.  Too much pride i'm guessing.  Same reason i'm guessing he isn't about to apologize to programmer when he figures out "whoopps... i guess he was telling the truth".  I really wish he would fuck off, but nothing anybody says seems to faze him...  Believe me, i've tried to offend him.  It's not like getting rid of KarenInDallas or Ottowa5.
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2007, 08:18:39 AM »
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an for the record it hurts every time somebody says "oh that didn't happen"...  It's like being in program all over again, trying to tell your parents what's going on, and being accused of manipulating..

He KNOWS it hurts. That is why he posts here. We are all like a group of ducks with a big target on our backs and he is going hunting. This is the easiest site to troll because people post stories about the most damaging events of their lives here. They post things that make them vulnerable. TheWho knows exactly what he is doing, and is laughing all the while he is doing it. He sent his daughter to an abusive program and now that he can't fuck with her, he comes here to fuck with anyone who will let him. The casualness with which he displays his vitriolic hatred is disturbing. Prisons exist for people like TheWho, he is the embodiment of everything wrong with our society. He hurts people for pleasure, is there anything more that needs to be said?


Personally I think he's just very very insensitive and socially inept.  It takes a truly evil person to kick those who are already down.  TheWho may be a complete fuckhead, but i'm not sure he realizes the pain he causes others with his words.  In his mind, we're all master manipulators, and all our stories are lies.  It's what he has to believe to protect himself.  Hatred isn't what i get from the who.  I think it's pure cynicism, and mistrust of those who he sees as a mirror image of his daughter.  We will talk to him(well some of us will) but his daughter won't.  So maybe he's trying to find a surrogate for the relationship he destroyed.

"Hey.. you got conned" isn't going to make TheWho feel better like it would some parents.  He's too arrogant to admit anybody could put one over on him.  He is looking for somebody to aggree with him, and will stick around until that happens.  He is looking to hear that he was right (because, somewhere, secretly, he doubts his "truth").
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2007, 08:25:13 AM »
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Personally I think he's just very very insensitive and socially inept.  It takes a truly evil person to kick those who are already down.  TheWho may be a complete fuckhead, but i'm not sure he realizes the pain he causes others with his words.  


He knows perfectly well, and smile while he does it. He misses the idea of having his daughter forced into a program, he went to bed every night happy that he finally got rid of his problem. I've seen too many program parents like him to ignore it. They are deliberate with their pain, they dish it out with a smile on their sick faces and love every minute of it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2007, 08:31:52 AM »
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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2007, 08:32:43 AM »
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Personally I think he's just very very insensitive and socially inept.  It takes a truly evil person to kick those who are already down.  TheWho may be a complete fuckhead, but i'm not sure he realizes the pain he causes others with his words.  

He knows perfectly well, and smile while he does it. He misses the idea of having his daughter forced into a program, he went to bed every night happy that he finally got rid of his problem. I've seen too many program parents like him to ignore it. They are deliberate with their pain, they dish it out with a smile on their sick faces and love every minute of it.


That was what I believed until I talked with my parents about it.  Program wants you to believe they were sadists.  It prevents a re-unification of the family that could potentially result in legal action.  When I was in program, I had nightmares that my mother was chasing me, trying to kill me.

Think what would happen if your conversations with your parents every week or so were pleasant...  Why.. they might even let you come home... Program can't have that, so they engineer hostility.   Recognize it, and free yourself from their control.

That being said, yeah there are some fucked up, sadistic parents.  But I don't think he is one.  I might be wrong, but his concern for Romanian orphans was genuine, so I doubt it.
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2007, 09:02:41 AM »
Psy-do your parents spend their days and nights online finding survivor stories and using them in jokes and saying that they know things like that can never happen even thought they do to many kids? Does anybody else's parents do these things like THeWho and KareninDallas?
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« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2007, 09:18:52 AM »
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Ya know... Not all schools are that bad, it doesn't have to be Auschwitz to be a bad place. Yeah some places are horrific. And you apparently are too arrogant to admit it could happen here. You've seen the abuse I described in Romania first hand. You've seen the street kids. I've seen them beaten publicly and others just go about thier business. You have the audacity to deny it happened at all in Western fucking Samoa... Where kids are used as cannon-fodder in the army?!?! This is just human nature buddy, and it's sick. It happens everywhere given a chance.


Yes, it does, and it is sad.  I have witnessed it first hand.  I have visited orphanages in Russia, Moldova and Kazakhstan.  Worked with the kids first hand and documented the conditions there.  I am sure the list that is described has happened somewhere because I have seen the potential of what one human being can do to another and how children can be perceived as a nuisance or embarrassment especially if they are handicapped and are typically hidden away.  I have seen first hand that orphans who need minor surgery to correct club feet or cp etc. are not performed and since there are no orphanages for handicap children they place these children in adult mental institutions (horrible places) where they are slowly destroyed and assimilated.  You rarely see any handicapped people in these countries, this is why, they become mentally ill.

You can get pissed and outraged all you want, you haven’t seen the full capacity of what one human can do to another for the sheer enjoyment of it or because they are threatened or consumed with hate.  But to take these isolated incidences and try to compare them to what goes on in wilderness or TBS’s schools today is a farce.  Do you really expect parents to believe their kids are going to be duct taped and thrown in the ocean if they send them to SUWS of the Carolinas?  Do you think they are marched and never fed?  Forced to consume other people body fluids at ASR?  This how information is disseminated here.  If you can find something horrible that has happened to a child somewhere in the world you can apply this to all programs freely and say “see this happens if you send you children away”.

I understand that not all kids do well in the industry, as my daughter did.  But I also don’t paint the entire industry based on my one experience.  I recognize places can exist like straight and paradise cove but what many people here can’t see is that there are places which are not like this and benefit children and the approach taken and attempt to do this I find very humorous, sometimes.

The Russian government announced this week that they are closing their doors to adoptions in their country because of allegations of abuse here in the united states,Canada and other countries.  Of the 15,000 children adopted each year from Russia a handful have been abused and/or died so they are closing their doors.  They have an estimated 250,000 children in orphanages in conditions you would not even believe…isolation doesn’t mean they only get a 20 minute phone call each week….. a 10 mile hike in the woods with food and a place to rest at the end of the day would be paradise.  The minute they closed their doors an estimated 300 children a day will “age out” and will never become available for adoption and move into the streets to live a life of prostitution and crime.  Guatemala has already done this, Romania wont even discuss their children let alone allow anyone to help them anymore.  Moldova is starting to pull their shade down as well as many other former Soviet countries.  Many (not all) orphanage directors in Kazakhstan believe the kids destiny is sealed at birth and don’t believe in adoption…”Why would anyone want to raise someone else’s child?” is an often heard reply from officials…Have you ever seen a child start shaking and vomiting, dig their nails into you because their “Caretaker entered the room?” or an entire wing filled with 40 children awake in their cages with not one of them crying because they have learned way too early that it brings no attention their way……..anyway sorry to ramble.
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« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2007, 09:25:59 AM »
I believe what you say about those kids in Romania getting abused and suffering.

So why do you not believe Programmer when he tells his story?

Big difference, do you notice that TheWho?

You called Programmer a liar and made fun of his story, remember?


Why is him being duct taped from head to toe "your favorite" of the horrible things on his list? What does that mean TheWho?

Why do you make fun of the fact he was repeatedly thrown in the ocean?

Do you make fun of those Romanian street kids?

How come I believe you but you don't believe Programmer?


And why is that your "favorite"? Do you take pleasure from reading stories of abuse? Why do you joke about it and say it didn't happen?
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« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2007, 09:29:30 AM »
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I have seen the potential of what one human being can do to another and how children can be perceived as a nuisance or embarrassment especially if they are handicapped and are typically hidden away.

SO have many posters here, at the behest of their parents. Things like this:

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I'm going to skip some details, but here's a list of shit that I had happened to me:

No food.
Sexual abused in everyway.
Repeat beatings.
No water.
No bathroom.
No bedding.
Little items I had were stolen, like my sweaty hat and shoes.
My Bible ripped and wrecked.
What little food I got, stolen from me.
Forced to drink cum, piss, eat shit.
Duct-taped from head to toe for no reason.
No toilet paper.
Had rocks and items thrown at me.
Locked in a hot, wooden box.
Forced to eat paper.
Forced to be naked for a week.
Thrown into the ocean during a typhoon.
Kicked down a hill and had logs thrown on me.
Had a chair slammed into my gut.
Obtained more skin diseases than a POW in Vietnam.
Forced to carry "sandbags" of rocks up and down hills.
Lived in the jungle called Le Tiera.
Screamed at and clubbed during seminars.
Had other "students" "enforce" "rules" on me for no reason.

I'm sure there's more if I went into it day by day. Which I can. In the end, a Christmas arguement broke out between the staff and me. I had the whole "beach" I was in ready to fight back. I had stored over the 22 months, bags, clubs, wood, rocks, homemade slings, homemade spears, shanks from toothbrushes, waterhoses for whips, seashells for spikes in the clubs, nails and screws I found, random kitchen and computer parts for weaponary. Toxic chemicals made from shampoo, toothpaste and sea creatures and plants, and bars of soap for use in socks. A boiling point came when they wanted us to do "choose" from dancing like a bunch of jigaboos and coons and just staying on the "beach" and doing nothing. I chose nothing. The lady in charge comes over and argues with me. She then lays "consequences" on me. Just for disagreeing? Um, hello, we're Americans, we disagree on EVERYTHING! After everybody was forced out, she said I don't get a consequence if I fuck her. Honestly, what the Hell, right? I was there for 20 months by then without pussy or a woman, and I was forced to do gross shit that nobody would do outside of a Dutch porn room, so I did it fast and went about my business. Shows you what kind of "professionals" they hire, huh?


Why do you feel it's necessary to make fun of these things? This is not an isolated incident. Thousands of kids go through WWASPS programs. Why do you lie and say these things never happened? Why do you think that this is funny TheWho? I left your personal comments about bolding and things being your favorite and snide remarks because I find them offensive and hurtful.
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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2007, 10:15:28 AM »
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But to take these isolated incidences and try to compare them to what goes on in wilderness or TBS’s schools today is a farce. Do you really expect parents to believe their kids are going to be duct taped and thrown in the ocean if they send them to SUWS of the Carolinas?

Of course not. Everyone knows SUWS-Carolina is nowhere near the ocean. That's ok, though. I've seen kids driven past the point of catatonia using nothing but a slightly stepped up, extended version of a come-down rap carried out in a warehouse right on a busy road nestled between regular old businesses.

No, I don't expect people like you, Who, to believe what you're involved in any more than all the good, right thinking German citizens believed that there were death camps and obscene medical experiments going on in the prison camps outside their villages. But some did. There were the rare Edelweiss Pirates and, eventually, the world had to come to terms with the truth.

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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2007, 10:24:35 AM »
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Why do you lie and say these things never happened?


I honestly don't think he's lying. He actually believes his own bullshit. I've seen it too many times and even in people I know well. My own dad was so thoroughly convinced for awhile that the Program was the only thing that could save my life from my imaginary drug problem that he went way beyond his own moral code in order to keep me in it.

He once asked me why, if all these horrible things he heard and read about had been true, why I hadn't ever told him. I just reminded him that, if I had, he would have reported me to staff. He knew that was true. But that was over a year after I came of age, got out and he could see that I wasn't really a heroin addicted streetwalker after all. It was a hard blow to his pride, realizing how fully and horribly he had been taken in. Not everybody has the kind of fortitude to come to terms with something like that. Most of them go to their graves never able to discuss the matter frankly with their kids.
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