Elan Connection to the People's Temple?

[Troll Control]

Hey people, just an item of curiousity here.  I know Elan is a Synanon-based program, like Daytop.  However, I never heard of "The Ring" (making attendees fight one another physically) being used anywhere at Daytop.

I was watching a channel thirteen documentary today about the People's Temple - the Jim Jones cult that killed a congressman and committed mass suicide in Guyana.  In this film they were talking about people being "called up front" (a group confrontation/confession session where members would have to confess intimate details of their lives - who they slept with, etc - to the group), whereupon the leader (Jones) would give "consequences" ranging from bitch-slappings to paddlings to sexual assault to "the ring"...  This caught my attention.

My question:  Does anyone know wheteher "the ring" came from the People's Temple or some other source for cult abuse tactics?

In any case, this documentary was fascinating and was laden with program-speak and tactics.  I knew before of the People's Temple, but I had never heard it in the words of survivors and, let me tell you, it sent a shiver down my spine...

[Anonymous]

Interestingly enough, there was a sign at "The Pavilion" of the People's Temple's headquarters in Guyana, where the mass suicide occurred.  It read: "Those Who Forget Their Past Are Condemned to Relive It."  Sound familiar?

Well, sometimes TC programs became cults.  Doesn't mean they all were.  I don't think Elan and the PT were connected, but it's likely they both borrowed stuff from Synanon or similar programs.

[Anonymous]

Hello Dysfunction Junction, glad to see your back. BTW, have you ever figured out your function yet??

[Troll Control]

"Hooking up words and phrases and clauses..."

Driving a choo-choo maybe...? :question:

[Anonymous]

I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.

Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)

The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury.  Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.

Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.

No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things?

I doubt there was any connection with Elans ring, and the cult you speak of. First, I was in daytop and never saw the ring once. though I was only there 2 months, there were plenty of occasions when it could have been used as punishment for things that happened there. But Daytop also had a lot of people come in and just get kicked out or hauled off to jail if they assaulted someone.

To link the ring with a cult, and to link the similar "philosophies" such as the one posted is more likely a coincidence. The "philosophy" mentioned isnt uncommon and I doubt it was created by a TC or cult group.
The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.

Works in society, why not Elan?

[Anonymous]

"Hooking up words and phrases and clauses..."

Driving a choo-choo maybe...? :question:

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:

[Ursus]

There was mention of a "Ringmaster" in an old Times article, think it was 1977 or so, about the Delancey Street Family.  Delancey Street was a direct offshoot of Synanon, differing primarily on the basis of a 2yr vs lifetime commitment to the group.  Started by John Maher and three others in 1971 in San Franscisco; founding members were primarily from Synanon.  Maher was originally from NYC, hence the name.  The Ringmaster presided over Delancey Street's version of the Game, for which they freely gave credit to Synanon.

[Anonymous]

If Im not mistaken, I think in the Duck In A Raincoat book Joe compares himself to Jimmy Jones, saying something to the effect that he had the power to make people ( the kids at elan) do such things.

[Anonymous]

Take the book with a grain of salt.

Neither its author, or its "pubwisher" spent any time in or near Elan to have an opinion.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand how "agenda and bias" played such a huge role in the writing (and promotion) of Duck in a raincoat?

Anyone who was in Elan has 100% more knowledge of Elan than the book or its contributors do.  It contains no revelations, and a huge amount of second hand info geared to one purpose. Smearing Joe Ricci.

Try to separate the validity of Joe being smeared, and two people having a conflict of interest with the truth.

[Anonymous]

I was at elan I remember Joe well, I think just maybe he did say that. Now as far as doing something that bad I dont he would have,  guess he just liked the thought of having the power over so many.

[Anonymous]

You have a real issue with someone else's experience with Joe Ricci. I have watched you read this Dan the riot act for an awful long time. Have you even met/talked with the man ? Such an angry young man you are.This is what success is?
If I were going to be this miserable,I would want to be drunk.

[Anonymous]

I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.

Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)

If you actually were caught biting a baby youd find yourself in  fighting over wether the baby would be removed from your custody by CPS. As a cult that has been ausing teen children and getting away with it for years, though Im sure your ability to circumvent CPS is quite advanced.
www.capcsac.org/abuse
Child abuse is physical -- shaking, hitting, beating, burning, or biting a child. WHat is child abuse-child abuse council


How much $ has elan doled out to ploiticians, anyone have a clue?

The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury.  Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.

Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.

No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things?

to be beaten by another 20 or so..until you perverts are satisfied that he or she is broken is far sicker than any biting of a child.
The ring has been testified to in court under oath as leveled in this brutal fashion against any youth for any reason, no matter how absurd.

If you do not agree with this description I suggest u get to work suing for libel...oh wait you cant because its true As this was sworn testimony and one is liable not for not just  civil damages but jail time...i think we can beleive that individual over a man who spends his days discussing fags, niggers, and feces on behalf of an instituion founded by a drug addict who had just been indocritnated by the cult daytop, itself an offshoot of Synanon...not trustwothy people so much...

Nor was their any nurse present...a medical proffesional witnessing such an act would be bound to stop it, LEGALLY..Unless they were a "nurse" in the sense of the "nurse" watching that 14 year old be beaten to death in Florida

Yes you are right, no need to link elan to the peoples temple cult as it allready is a direct extesion of the synanon cult

.

The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.

Works in society, why not Elan?

been away from the real time aintcha cultie? If you ever enter the real world you will see that it doesnt work like that. I can guarantee if you kidnapp someone take them out to the woods and you, child torturer, and  12 other cowards attack one poor defenselss child..well i recomend you try it
eliscu did you ever witness the ring?
Also, eliscu what was the staff like...if it was all kids than where did the money go?

[Anonymous]

I guess if a person wanted to make a connection youd have to look at a few facts. Time-line...association...application etc.

Elans "Ring" was used most often when a person physically confronted another and in some cases as a consequence for intimidation and or threats. I think it was geared more to a simple lesson not unlike teaching a toddler not to bite. (by biting them back)

If you actually were caught biting a baby youd find yourself in  fighting over wether the baby would be removed from your custody by CPS. As a cult that has been ausing teen children and getting away with it for years, though Im sure your ability to circumvent CPS is quite advanced.
www.capcsac.org/abuse
Child abuse is physical -- shaking, hitting, beating, burning, or biting a child. WHat is child abuse-child abuse council


How much $ has elan doled out to ploiticians, anyone have a clue?

The ring was not exactly a brutal act, physically anyway. Participants would glove up with real boxing gloves. 16 ounce I think, which were not exactly a tool for inflicting pain and injury.  Myself, I witnessed at least a dozen occasions of the ring, and was the "bad guy" once, and the good guy 4 or 5 times.

Most of the "bad guys" didnt even fight back and they covered up and got thumped around with gloves for 5 minutes and it was over.

No blood, no injuries...but I wonder why the nurse was never present? I mean every sanctioned boxing match theres always someone with a medical background present. Maybe the "nurse" didnt know about these things?

to be beaten by another 20 or so..until you perverts are satisfied that he or she is broken is far sicker than any biting of a child.
The ring has been testified to in court under oath as leveled in this brutal fashion against any youth for any reason, no matter how absurd.

If you do not agree with this description I suggest u get to work suing for libel...oh wait you cant because its true As this was sworn testimony and one is liable not for not just  civil damages but jail time...i think we can beleive that individual over a man who spends his days discussing fags, niggers, and feces on behalf of an instituion founded by a drug addict who had just been indocritnated by the cult daytop, itself an offshoot of Synanon...not trustwothy people so much...

Nor was their any nurse present...a medical proffesional witnessing such an act would be bound to stop it, LEGALLY..Unless they were a "nurse" in the sense of the "nurse" watching that 14 year old be beaten to death in Florida

Yes you are right, no need to link elan to the peoples temple cult as it allready is a direct extesion of the synanon cult

.

The ring in its most basic principal really isnt any different than the real world, if you hit or intimidate someone, youre eventually going to get your ass kicked.

Works in society, why not Elan?

been away from the real time aintcha cultie? If you ever enter the real world you will see that it doesnt work like that. I can guarantee if you kidnapp someone take them out to the woods and you, child torturer, and  12 other cowards attack one poor defenselss child..well i recomend you try it
eliscu did you ever witness the ring?
Also, eliscu what was the staff like...if it was all kids than where did the money go?

[Anonymous]

oops alot of typos and mispellings. Had an allnighter last night....
Want to put this disclaimer out there,as otherwise I might undermine the usual erudite commetary that enlivens this forum

[Anonymous]

was there any investigation into this by the authorities?

why not?

why was the child Put into the ring?
(not that it matters)