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« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2007, 09:24:08 PM »
Even in the 90's Elan was known for ignoring the kid's medical issues unless it directly affected them.

For example one time a young girl (14 or 15) was pretty pregnant (4/5) months and the staff went ape shit. They did everything possible but beat her to get her to have an abortion.
It was considered a mid term abortion. Hello, she was almost 6 months preggers! The girl held her ground but they wore her down she got the abortion. Poor kid. She was never really the same again.


Not to mention the countless numbers of kids with obvious mental issues ranging from mild depression to bi polar disorder to panic attacks to anorexia! ADD/ADHD too.
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« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2007, 09:30:02 PM »
Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.

Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.


Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.

The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?

I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.
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« Reply #17 on: April 26, 2007, 12:00:49 PM »
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.

Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.


Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.

The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?
 
 
I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.

 
Thats pretty far fetched distortion of what I remember the ring being used for and/or what happened as a result of.
I saw a number of children get their asses kicked.1 minute rounds huh. I guess it wouldnt be that bad if these kids didnt go 5-8 rounds with someone twice their size. Were denied medical help when it was over.I know of 3 different people that had their noses broken. I know of one 14 yr old kid they put in the ring with a cast on his arm 3 weeks after having surgery.
I do remember one kid who laid on the floor.He was kicked,picked up and beaten,then picked up and the process repeated several times.
aneurysm or not. I would guess that had he not been in Elan in the 1st place,medical attention would have been given as soon as he felt the very 1st symptoms of illness. Aneurysm's are treatable with medications and at times surgical proceedures.
You couldnt even get a fucking aspirin from that place without waiting an entire day,if you got it at all.
More from the filthy minds and mouths of rotten would be kid,pretending to be an adult. Your language directly reflects your own personal growth
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« Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 01:00:02 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt..


Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.


Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.

The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?

I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.[/quote]

Im sorry my long winded inletectual rhetoric wasnt up to the sophisticated  ruminations that usually characterize this forum.

I supose you have lived in a cult so long that you think calling me a cunt when not monologuing on nigger doody  makes u a regardable witness to the ongoings of Elan. Oh youcrazy cult members! Freind, thats aint the case. People whom do not live in violent cults will deffer to the testimony delivered under oath by people whom have seperated from the cult over people whom are still actively involved ...and spend their days discussing nigger doody.

Clearly you have no interest in elan let alone a supporter!
You have merely taken a break from your insessant scatalogical porn which attempts to drive survivors away, to lay out point by point with specific and detailed justifications  why Elan has no repsonsibility for the death the child whom died of celrebral hemorage. Also, while you have no interest or support of ELan you specifically point out that the cult is within Maine state guidelines and is therefore not approptiate for legal penalty.

No sir, forcing a dozen supposedly mentally ill child to beat another supposedly mentally ill child while the others surround whooping and shouting abuse ..until the child breaks to your satisfaction is not abuse, it is torture. And for this boy it is murder


Human right advocates..Eliscu, guest.contact the authorities with this material. Murder has no statute of limitations

(also hint :quotes-""- are meant to imply a misused or foriegn word, child is the correct word for the boy you kidnapped and murdered, another problem living your years in a cult ..not so much on the high school education :cry: )
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« Reply #19 on: April 26, 2007, 01:09:26 PM »
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.

Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.


Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.

The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?

I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.


Im sorry my long winded inletectual rhetoric wasnt up to the sophisticated ruminations that usually characterize this forum.

I supose you have lived in a cult so long that you think calling me a cunt when not monologuing on nigger doody makes u a regardable witness to the ongoings of Elan. Oh youcrazy cult members! Freind, thats aint the case. People whom do not live in violent cults will deffer to the testimony delivered under oath by people whom have seperated from the cult over people whom are still actively involved ...and spend their days discussing nigger doody.

Clearly you have no interest in elan let alone a supporter!
You have merely taken a break from your insessant scatalogical porn which attempts to drive survivors away, to lay out point by point with specific and detailed justifications why Elan has no repsonsibility for the death the child whom died of celrebral hemorage. Also, while you have no interest or support of ELan you specifically point out that the cult is within Maine state guidelines and is therefore not approptiate for legal penalty.

No sir, forcing a dozen supposedly mentally ill child to beat another supposedly mentally ill child while the others surround whooping and shouting abuse ..until the child breaks to your satisfaction is not abuse, it is torture. And for this boy it is murder


Human right advocates..Eliscu, guest.contact the authorities with this material. Murder has no statute of limitations

(also hint :quotes-""- are meant to imply a misused or foriegn word, child is the correct word for the boy you kidnapped and murdered, another problem living your years in a cult ..not so much on the high school education  )
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« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2007, 02:03:14 PM »
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Oh my, all this intellectual rhetoric. I bit my child after she drew blood from another child by biting. She never bit again. Sue me you fuckin liberal cunt.

Eliscu, you were in the damn corner and didnt witness shit. The "child" who died after being put into the ring did not die as a result of the ring. Aneurysm is a condition not a result. The "child" died from cerebral hemorrhage as a result of an existing condition called aneurysm and Elan was not found at fault for his death.
He went into the ring for a one minute round with 2 other "children" early in the day.
After functioning in the days activities, he later complained of a headache the same night and collapsed. He died at the hospital, not Elan.


Right or wrong, you idiots refuse to acknowledge fact and reality.
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines.
Large gloves prevented physical harm, one minute rounds prevented exhaustion, and consider this, HIGH SCHOOL WRESTLING is far more violent and physically demanding and prone to pain and injury.

The difference? The ring is used as a consequence for intimidation, physical violence and threatening. If the "children" who had gone into the ring didnt want to be there, they could have easily laid on the floor and refused to fight, or kicked his opponent in the balls.
Funny but you never hear about either happening. I wonder why?

I'm no Elan supporter or fan of the program or the ring itself.
But the lies and distortions are as annoying as the dumb cunt with the long-winded reply denying truth to fit her agenda.

 
Sounds alot like curent or former staffpeople that havent a clue what their previous incarcerated kids went through in comparrison to the country club atmosphere Elan has evolved into. They tell a pretty good story,with icing and fruit on top. But in the midle of it all is pain caused by the very people you stand up for... Why would you even post something like this.. Are you seeking to "stir the pot"?
or are you just misinformed and misguided,afraid Sharon will take your abusive job privilages away? Does the truth scare you? Perhaps you are just another Fornits troll and cannot relate to a "real conversation of substance" The term shiteater,speaks for itself!
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« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 04:12:47 PM »
Elan is not a country club. It is still Torturing people, Still using the ring.

This boy died of a "pre existing anyurism" like that kid in florida died of sickle cell anemia. Some kids are more frail than the others and respond to physical trauma differently. Thats why only Anthony died at buffalo soldiers, or only one of those twins that were starved actually died. This poor child was just more delicate.

Oh ,and to the child murder supporter who posted before..brain anyusims are caused by trama to the head. And hemoraging of a brain anyruerism caused by trauma to the head is  caused by further trauma to the head

Not much highschool so medical school was pretty much outta the question. So sad,We lost a good mind :( Luckily, u have child abuse to fall back on

Can someone describe a ring beating they witnessed to me and the conditions surrounding it?
or any other time when someone got sick and they were refused ?

Mostly what was the name of that boy?

wow, so elan and co. flat out murdered a child.
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« Reply #22 on: April 26, 2007, 07:53:53 PM »
I know nothing about this boy , but the ring was real and it wasnt pretty, their broken noses and I remember lost of blood some good the gloves did. THE RING WAS REAL and not sugar coated like this ass is saying. Now did this indeed have an affect on all of us, thats a good question?
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« Reply #23 on: April 26, 2007, 09:59:47 PM »
Didnt call you a dumb cunt eliscu, that was addressed to the nanny who posted all the other bullshit.
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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2007, 02:20:08 AM »
Im not eliscu and I wrote the post. And the post I wrote reiterated what Eliscu said.

The ring would have a pschological effect on anyone who witnessed or took part in it. It is a horrifying nightmarish idea.
Dont worry no one who is not actively a member of a violent cult would ever support such a thing- on supposedly mentally ill children no less.

In fact physical brain trauma is also quite likely..ever talk to a boxer..see how affected their movements, speach thinking patterns. Obviously, unless you were in the ring regularly it wouldnt be to that point- for the most part. The truth is even one blow to your head can impact you for the rest of your life PHYSCIALLY

Does anyone know that murdered childs name?

Can anyone decribe in detail a ring match...the supposed reasons behind it, the real reasons (beyond the obvious- that Elan is a violent cult) the emotional effect on the victem and the victem/perpetrators, How did you get chosen to enact the assault that sort of thing. :(



Incredible....
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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2007, 08:41:46 AM »
Elans "ring" was used in strict accordance with state guidelines
 
I would love to read those guidelines.Whomever wrote this post didnt sign his/her name on purpose. You made this"ring" into a "no big deal" just another theraputic tool.
WTF are you smoking?
Prob a Rebublifiuk too
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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2007, 10:41:31 AM »
Its a ridiculous statement. There is no need to respond to such drivel.

Maine does not have state guidelines for forcing a gang of supposedly mentally ill children to box another suposedly ill child while the other children form a ring around to prevent her from escaping becasue its ILEGAL..for a number or reasons..including it causes Oh. cerebral hemmoraging. and Oh, permanent debhilitating mental and physical trauma. And Oh, its the most horrific nightmare of absolute power god mad imaginable.. Its the sort of thing say Jim Jones would think up..wait hey! Jim Jones DID think of something like that!..Wow its almost like Elan is a violent cult..oh wait -(giggle, silly me) it IS  a violent cult.

And the thread comes full circle.

Id love to hear more decriptions of the ring or lack of medical care if you have them. Though can you really do better than forced abortion?

When I read that I became physically ill. When I read about the murder of this poor child in the ring I became physically ill. Thats such EVIL can exist...and these pathetic defenders of it! These folk whom betray children, whom betray themselves...they will never see the truth, for then they would have to see themselves and thats a trauma they could not survive
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2007, 10:10:56 PM »
Thank you. Elan's rings was not a therapeutic tool used to teach us out of control adolescents a lesson.

The staff and student alike thrived on the ring. The news of an upcoming ring sent everyone into a freakin tizzy!

People CREAMED their mother fuckin pants with anticipation.
It was all anyone could talk about.

One time Tanya tried to put me into the ring. People on my SP were telling me ALL of the gossip. Who they wanted to pit against me and so forth.

It was like a Tyson ~VS~ Holyfield event was comin to 7.

It was sickening! I was going to go into it. I was not gonna fight and refuse. I would of sat there though and let the other person punch me then let them get their 15 minutes of "fame" for "kicking my ass" took my spit in the face Gm and become a shotdown again.

My dad refused to let it happen though. He wanted to speak to me and she refused it so he told her he refused to let me in the ring. She said in my Gm "_____'s daddy wouldn't let me put his daughter in the ring, no wonder she is a rotten brat that is going to be a loser her whole life" I laughed, told her she was boring me and to get it over with because people were hungry and wanted to go back to dropping slips.

I knew how people felt about me in 7 and I did not care to be honest. They were not my peer.

The day I left this staff guy with a dark beard wanted me to read the philosophy in the morning meeting and I did I said "I know I screwed up here and I am sorry for those I troubled. I liked some of you and others I did not." I wished them the best and said I was happy to leave no matter my posistion walking out the door I felt like I was graduating back into the real world. I was going home. I survived nearly 3 years of horrendous abuse and needed a little bit of talk therapy and valium for it. I'd say I was better than most! The so called grad's I had run into were shooting freakin Heroin and I was not. I had my own apt and a job and a pet cat. If I was so much worse leaving Elan than the people who left as graduates then I am glad I was worse.
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« Reply #29 on: May 23, 2007, 02:20:11 PM »
[size=18]I love it! That rocked Eliscu![/size]
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