So...I went and saw a Psychiatrist

[Anonymous]

After thinking about it, why would a Pdoc care about what these schools are doing.

they would probably actually like the fact that there are places like this if they knew about them.

mentally traumatized people = job security.

[Anonymous]

If DJ (Dysfunction Junction) worked in Cali and I knew how to contact him I would have looked for him for guidance.

I'm not concerned about reporting him to any authorities nor do I personally feel that he violated any protocols within the medical field but it would have been nice to have him listen...or at least be willing to rather than just sitting there with a smirk on his face.

I'm not so sure that there are people out there that are either

A. Willing to actually take the time to listen and learn (as it is something that is quite foreign within their limited scope) and THEN give a referral.

or

B. Capable of understanding the significance of what the effects of the program were without having experienced it themselves.

I wasn't asking him to try to "take the programs down" although I would like to see them fade into obscurity (fat chance...too many $$$'s at stake).

All I wanted was for someone to "listen" and not just "hear"

His Ego prevented him from listening as he most likely thinks he "knows it all" already.

[Anonymous]

the guy DFINITELY violated medical and LEGAL protocal from what you described . Receiving a report of child abuse- especially currently ongoing child abuse- has specific guidelines, including reporting the complaint to various athorities. I found this for educator protocal upon hearing child abuse report. It varies a bit for shrinks but not much.

http://tinyurl.com/2dvsrf

[Ursus]

Don't forget, that some shrinks actually work in cahoots with or for some of these places and, even if not in cahoots, are on the political side of the fence that is at least sympathetic to them...  The Drug War issues, in particular, have polarized this profession to some degree.  It is very hard to find someone to trust, and from that subset, someone who is right for you... I wish you heartfelt luck!

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

i Find this a very strange posing...its like you are trying to intimidate us from reporting abuse to health care profesionals. Actually shrinks ARE in the business of "validating" that you were abused...they are suposed to make you "feel" heard. Wether they themselves agree with you is another issue.

Unless you are reporting something obviously outrageous like you are being hunted by invisiable dragons the medically responsible reaction is not to assume you are lying. .And even if you make outrageous claims like being chased by invicible dragons the medically ethical response is not to insult you and say things like "god, haha you are such a nut!" what a crazy thing to say"

This fellow has agregiously violated  protocal. He could actually be accountable civiliy and with the medical oversight organizations of Caifornia (not sure what they would be) You could report him if that is something you are interested in and there would be some level of censor for his behavior

ask dysfunction Juntion hed know more about it(fornits residnet pschiartrist
Acutally if you are looking for a shrink ..why not dysfunction?? He has the most expericne out of anyone I canthink of in helping survivors

oh yeah Im the girl that just posted
someone call the creep!

I will on monday.  I want to talk to him, not leave a message.

iM happy you are Psy you are so well spoken..I have a feelin you may be our own mini Nelson Mendela in time

[Anonymous]

I am sure that he isn't the slightest bit aware that the core fundamentals of MANY (if not most) of these programs are all too similar.  They may have changed the outer package but the inside is the same secretive LGAT bullshit.  And for the kids it's a 2 year LGAT as they mindfuck you the whole way through the programs in my opinion.

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

i Find this a very strange posing...its like you are trying to intimidate us from reporting abuse to health care profesionals. Actually shrinks ARE in the business of "validating" that you were abused...they are suposed to make you "feel" heard. Wether they themselves agree with you is another issue.

Unless you are reporting something obviously outrageous like you are being hunted by invisiable dragons the medically responsible reaction is not to assume you are lying. .And even if you make outrageous claims like being chased by invicible dragons the medically ethical response is not to insult you and say things like "god, haha you are such a nut!" what a crazy thing to say"

This fellow has agregiously violated  protocal. He could actually be accountable civiliy and with the medical oversight organizations of Caifornia (not sure what they would be) You could report him if that is something you are interested in and there would be some level of censor for his behavior

ask dysfunction Juntion hed know more about it(fornits residnet pschiartrist
Acutally if you are looking for a shrink ..why not dysfunction?? He has the most expericne out of anyone I canthink of in helping survivors

oh yeah Im the girl that just posted
someone call the creep!

OK,I say cut the guy's nuts out,but its better to say "thanks but no thanks" and walk out the door.
Sometime in the future the OP could be in a hospital,or just seeking help again,and run in to this asshole Psyc guy again.
Sure,telephone the guy,report him,shoot him in the back,but you really dont know that Psyc's motives.
I need a dentist.
Im well in to middle age and all my teeth are rotten.
I go to the dentist and Im nervous,scared!
So this 22yr old bitch assistant starts in on me about how I dont floss enough blah blah blah.
HEY BITCH,my teeth are all like broken Coke bottle glass and if I "floss" them they just fall out!
She REALLY makes me more uncomfortable and I begin to hate her and the dentist,so I never return,and my teeth rot away.
I think she is totally out of bounds with her flossing advise and knows NOTHING about making a patient feel comfortable.
She should be fired.
Are all of you guys going to telephone her and blame her for my teeth getting infected and killing me?
I just walk out the door and find a new dentist that makes me feel comfortable and has an assistant that gives blowjobs rather than flossing advise.
Dont make an enemy of this Psyc guy,because if you piss him off he can really make your life miserable.
My neighbor dates a Psyc Bitch.
She got pissed off at her neighbor over a property line dispute on LongBoat Key (rich bitch) AND HAD HER NEIGHBOR BAKER ACTED!!!
When the cops came they seriously injured the guy's back while putting him in the police car.Later,the police admitted they should not have taken that guy,it was the LIAR Psyc Bitchs' fault ABUSING THE SYSTEM to get even with her neighbor.
Now this Psyc Bitch is no monster,just a normal person who found she could use her position to get her neighbor enemy Baker Acted.
DONT fuck with these people,they have the power to make your life miserable.
ARE YOU SURE you didnt misunderstand his intentions?

(I telephoned a program staff person looking for my records,and when I told him politely that I felt I had been abused in the program,he said "Well,you know you all deserved it."!!!!
His name "Bill Zoller",he's in the Sarasota telephone book,hes an Architect (a guy who designs buildings),and he was on staff at LIFE PROGRAM in Sarasota.)

[Anonymous]

You can't pay people to care about what you have to say.
Try it again, see if it works. It won't.

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

i Find this a very strange posing...its like you are trying to intimidate us from reporting abuse to health care profesionals. Actually shrinks ARE in the business of "validating" that you were abused...they are suposed to make you "feel" heard. Wether they themselves agree with you is another issue.

Unless you are reporting something obviously outrageous like you are being hunted by invisiable dragons the medically responsible reaction is not to assume you are lying. .And even if you make outrageous claims like being chased by invicible dragons the medically ethical response is not to insult you and say things like "god, haha you are such a nut!" what a crazy thing to say"

This fellow has agregiously violated  protocal. He could actually be accountable civiliy and with the medical oversight organizations of Caifornia (not sure what they would be) You could report him if that is something you are interested in and there would be some level of censor for his behavior

ask dysfunction Juntion hed know more about it(fornits residnet pschiartrist
Acutally if you are looking for a shrink ..why not dysfunction?? He has the most expericne out of anyone I canthink of in helping survivors

oh yeah Im the girl that just posted
someone call the creep!

OK,I say cut the guy's nuts out,but its better to say "thanks but no thanks" and walk out the door.
Sometime in the future the OP could be in a hospital,or just seeking help again,and run in to this asshole Psyc guy again.
Sure,telephone the guy,report him,shoot him in the back,but you really dont know that Psyc's motives.
I need a dentist.
Im well in to middle age and all my teeth are rotten.
I go to the dentist and Im nervous,scared!
So this 22yr old bitch assistant starts in on me about how I dont floss enough blah blah blah.
HEY BITCH,my teeth are all like broken Coke bottle glass and if I "floss" them they just fall out!
She REALLY makes me more uncomfortable and I begin to hate her and the dentist,so I never return,and my teeth rot away.
I think she is totally out of bounds with her flossing advise and knows NOTHING about making a patient feel comfortable.
She should be fired.
Are all of you guys going to telephone her and blame her for my teeth getting infected and killing me?
I just walk out the door and find a new dentist that makes me feel comfortable and has an assistant that gives blowjobs rather than flossing advise.
Dont make an enemy of this Psyc guy,because if you piss him off he can really make your life miserable.
My neighbor dates a Psyc Bitch.
She got pissed off at her neighbor over a property line dispute on LongBoat Key (rich bitch) AND HAD HER NEIGHBOR BAKER ACTED!!!
When the cops came they seriously injured the guy's back while putting him in the police car.Later,the police admitted they should not have taken that guy,it was the LIAR Psyc Bitchs' fault ABUSING THE SYSTEM to get even with her neighbor.
Now this Psyc Bitch is no monster,just a normal person who found she could use her position to get her neighbor enemy Baker Acted.
DONT fuck with these people,they have the power to make your life miserable.
ARE YOU SURE you didnt misunderstand his intentions?

(I telephoned a program staff person looking for my records,and when I told him politely that I felt I had been abused in the program,he said "Well,you know you all deserved it."!!!!
His name "Bill Zoller",he's in the Sarasota telephone book,hes an Architect (a guy who designs buildings),and he was on staff at LIFE PROGRAM in Sarasota.)

thats so sad. Iife is all about power and money and if yu have it you absue those without it.
I tell you, dont let those monsters intimidate you.

Im all for suing, prosecuting, getting every last one of them fired.

 I hope that the police man that hurt your freinds back is put in jail for the next ten years. I f your freind is powerful and has cash that can happen...I hop your teeth are OK now

[Anonymous]

I'm the OP.

1.  It is quite a different thing comparing a dental hygenist/dentist to a psychiatrist and the situations are completely different.  I wouldn't hold the hygenist responsible for your dental problems just as I don't hold the Psychiatrist responsible for the psychological damage that was inflicted upon myself in my program.  I would at least expect a Dr. to listen.  How is a Dr. even supposed to help when he wont take the time to listen to the patients problem?  I tried to talk but he kept switching the focus towards Freudian Analysis and bringing up topics that were completely irrelevant to what I was there to talk about IMO.  He stated that I was talking in circles but from my perspective he was the one going in circles.  I tried to focus on one issue and find meaning within that issue.  I was not expecting a cure but hoping for guidance.  I know that I'm the one that has to ultimately "take the steps" but it helps when one is at least pointed in the right direction so that they may better be able to take those steps independently.  Without listening to what my problem and issues were and what I had already been through I find that it is somewhat irresponsible to recommend a BM program (telling me that my thoughts would subsequently follow my actions) when that was what I truly felt was what damaged me.  If he is going to recommend such a program I would expect full disclosure from the referring physician as to what exactly I was being referred to, the methodologies used and any other pertinent information.  It should not be my responsibility to walk blindly into a "program" and try to learn more about it from the people administering whatever it is they administer be it meds or therapy.  If I am going to be referred, then the Dr. should have an obligation to enlighten me on what exactly he is referring me to...especially when it is within his field of study...psychiatry.  He should also have intimate knowledge of the program that he feels I should partake in as I feel that he has a moral and ethical duty to KNOW definitively all aspects of whatever recommendations or referrals that he makes.

2. I am quite familiar with the Baker Act.  The criteria for the Baker Act is pretty specific and I do not fit that criteria.  If a Dr. tried to abuse his authority and force involuntary in/out patient treatment for me, that Dr. would be in breach of ethics and would be facing a healthy lawsuit also.

3.  Nowhere did I mention any sort of "retaliation" nor do I condone violence in any way.  I just feel that this particular Dr. either didn't want to know about these programs as it puts him in an ethical and moral catch 22...or maybe he himself has participated in "programs" and is actually drinking the kool-aid himself.

4. I paid him to listen.  Had I wanted some sort of Freudian analysis I would have asked for it.  I specifically told him that I was looking for someone to listen...that was it...but he chose not to for whatever reason and seemingly did not want to hear any details.  Any "circular" discussion that he felt I was doing was only because he steered his questions away from issue at hand and even when I told him that certain questions were irrelevant (which they really were) he insisted that they were relevant.  So...I answered his irrelevant questions and when I tried to get back on track with what I felt I needed to focus on I was accused of "talking in circles".

I agree with the advice about just turning my back and walking away...that is exactly what I did.  I'll look further for help...but knowing where to look is the hard part.  Maybe someday I will find a Dr. that although he/she may not know about the "seminar" style therapy...will at least have a yearning for knowledge and further education about what actually goes on in these programs so that an educated referral can be made rather than just shooting from the hip.

[Ursus]

Face it:  this guy's expertise is Freudian analysis and that's it in a nutshell.  He kept steering the session back to that, because that is his specialty and the only area he is really versed in.  Anything else, and he's a fish out of water.  Probably more versed in that than most psychiatrists; IMHO most of them are primarily versed in dispensing meds.

I think what you are looking for is counseling, therapy, not analysis (which would the area of expertise in psychiatry).  Try focusing more on some kind of therapist, perhaps a psychologist, but not necessarily.  See Deborah's post on the first page of this thread, she gives good advice.

[Anonymous]

Face it:  this guy's expertise is Freudian analysis and that's it in a nutshell.  He kept steering the session back to that, because that is his specialty and the only area he is really versed in.  Anything else, and he's a fish out of water.  Probably more versed in that than most psychiatrists; IMHO most of them are primarily versed in dispensing meds.

I think what you are looking for is counseling, therapy, not analysis (which would the area of expertise in psychiatry).  Try focusing more on some kind of therapist, perhaps a psychologist, but not necessarily.  See Deborah's post on the first page of this thread, she gives good advice.

Its the same like when a car salesman tries to convince you to buy the Anti-Rust Undercoating for your new car.
"Hey Im sorry,it costs $479,they put that stuff on at the factory,theres nothing I can do but talk to my boss and maybe he can knock off $100..."

[Antigen]

She REALLY makes me more uncomfortable and I begin to hate her and the dentist,so I never return,and my teeth rot away.
I think she is totally out of bounds with her flossing advise and knows NOTHING about making a patient feel comfortable.
She should be fired.
Are all of you guys going to telephone her and blame her for my teeth getting infected and killing me?

No, but I feel your pain. My teeth were trashed by the time I was about 20. Never have been able to get on top of it and so I lost them. So I've been determined to make damned sure my kids' got good dental care. But it took me 4 tries to find a dentist for my youngest who had any kind of  sensitivity about how to treat a frightened little girl w/ a tooth ache. Believe me, I had a hard time controlling my impulse to just beat the living shit out of a few of those sanctimonious bitches for making my little girl cry.

[White Cracker Man]

I was always afraid of the dentist when I was younger and then I had a terrible to say the least experience when I was around eight.

Me and my mother were held up in a dentist office at gunpoint and  then I was  afraid of the dentist for the usual reason and lots of times, thinking of the dentist brings back memories of being held up at gunpoint  in a dentist office many years ago.

[Anonymous]

so psy hwo did it go with the shrink?
to the origninal poster haas the shrink clled to apologze or anythng?