So...I went and saw a Psychiatrist

[Anonymous]

It was humiliating to say the least.

I tried to explain the problems that I was having and how my "thinking" had been affected by my TBS. I tried to tell him about the experience.

What was his reaction?

He just sat there with a big grin on his face (laughing on the inside I surmise) and asked me if I "had bumped my head"....to which I curtly  answered "NO...and my mother didn't drop me on my head either"...Then it was on the the standard "had I ever been physically or sexually abused" diatribe.

He threw a couple other underhanded insults my way...but all in all they are insignificant compared to his lack of empathy and his basic unwillingness to listen...after all...why on earth would a patient walk into a Psychiatrist's office and actually say something sane :roll:  Basic prejudgement B.S. by a health professional....they read a little Freud and think that they have it all figured out.  So much for continuing education :rofl:

I guess I shouldn't expect any less from a Shrink that has his practice in Beverly Hills.

So...what did he think I needed?

A behavior modification program. ::puke::

So...being that he "seemingly" didn't believe that there is actually a community of us that call ourselves "survivors" and that there actually are schools like this out there...maybe  the fornits community would like to remind him that we DO in fact exist.

His contact information is

Dr M/i/c/h/a/e/l L. M/c/G/r/a/i/l  M.D.

he can be reached at (3/1/0) 2/7/1-3/9/7/3

I'm sure that the programmies will call and sing praises about the programs and manipulate and spin the facts...Sure...I could have pointed him to Fornits or any of the other sites...but really...like he's going to do any research while he's not "on the clock" :roll:

[Anonymous]

im callin right nnow

[Anonymous]

OK I LEFT A MESSAGE- i hope he doens think im a nut
Am i a nut for calling?
crazy

[Anonymous]

It was humiliating to say the least.

I tried to explain the problems that I was having and how my "thinking" had been affected by my TBS. I tried to tell him about the experience.

What was his reaction?

He just sat there with a big grin on his face (laughing on the inside I surmise) and asked me if I "had bumped my head"....to which I curtly  answered "NO...and my mother didn't drop me on my head either"...Then it was on the the standard "had I ever been physically or sexually abused" diatribe.

He threw a couple other underhanded insults my way...but all in all they are insignificant compared to his lack of empathy and his basic unwillingness to listen...after all...why on earth would a patient walk into a Psychiatrist's office and actually say something sane :roll:  Basic prejudgement B.S. by a health professional....they read a little Freud and think that they have it all figured out.  So much for continuing education :rofl:

I guess I shouldn't expect any less from a Shrink that has his practice in Beverly Hills.

So...what did he think I needed?

A behavior modification program. ::puke::

So...being that he "seemingly" didn't believe that there is actually a community of us that call ourselves "survivors" and that there actually are schools like this out there...maybe  the fornits community would like to remind him that we DO in fact exist.

His contact information is

Dr M/i/c/h/a/e/l L. M/c/G/r/a/i/l  M.D.

he can be reached at (3/1/0) 2/7/1-3/9/7/3

I'm sure that the programmies will call and sing praises about the programs and manipulate and spin the facts...Sure...I could have pointed him to Fornits or any of the other sites...but really...like he's going to do any research while he's not "on the clock" :roll:

Im not saying he is a good guy,but you know he may have been treating you that way in order to see your reaction.

Dont fool around with these kind of people unless you think they will help you.
Dont go there to "report" your abuse.
Maybe he can perscribe something to help you sleep and ease your nightmares.

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

[Deborah]

Ask for a refund and shop around for a good therapist. Could take a while, but there are some good ones out there. Might contact ASTART and see if they can make a referral. If you strike out, PM me and I'll request a referral from some of my co-hearts.
Analysis is too slow and highly ineffective. A 'good' therapist can help you dismantle the experience and sort out the confusion, like peeling layers off an onion. Don't settle for just anyone. Be persistent until you find  someone you trust and really want to hang out with. If at anytime, s/he makes a judgment about you or the experience, walk out and keep looking.
Interview them, preferably on the phone before you make an appointment and spend $150 to assess the person. What's their game plan? How to get from here to there. Timeframe? Previous experience with similar situations? If they won't spend 10-15 minutes and answer your questions, probably not a good therapist, imo.

[Anonymous]

How does someone search out help when they don't know what it is that they need?

Why shouldn't someone tell a psychiatrist?

Shouldn't that psychiatrist listen to the person, try to gain an understanding of what the person might have experienced and then perhaps THINK of what might be the proper course of action rather than just dismissing what they have to say and just "passing the buck"?

Maybe it wasn't in his capabilities to help, but he was paid to listen.  Nobody *needs* validation regarding the abuse.  But a little compassion and understanding can go a long way and hopefully help the Dr. to make a better call than suggesting "help" that is probably based on the same crackpot psycholgy that the schools use.

Maybe Ginger or Deborah could explain it to him in terms that he can understand.

[psy]

It was humiliating to say the least.

I tried to explain the problems that I was having and how my "thinking" had been affected by my TBS. I tried to tell him about the experience.

What was his reaction?

He just sat there with a big grin on his face (laughing on the inside I surmise) and asked me if I "had bumped my head"....to which I curtly  answered "NO...and my mother didn't drop me on my head either"...Then it was on the the standard "had I ever been physically or sexually abused" diatribe.

He threw a couple other underhanded insults my way...but all in all they are insignificant compared to his lack of empathy and his basic unwillingness to listen...after all...why on earth would a patient walk into a Psychiatrist's office and actually say something sane :roll:  Basic prejudgement B.S. by a health professional....they read a little Freud and think that they have it all figured out.  So much for continuing education :rofl:

I guess I shouldn't expect any less from a Shrink that has his practice in Beverly Hills.

Anywhere else ain't much better.  Until you point em to fornits or spend sessions reading print-offs of survivor testimony to him (don't expect him to bother reading it otherwise), he will remain an asshole.  Shame him.. Shame him good.

So...what did he think I needed?

A behavior modification program. ::puke::

Given my current level of frustration, I probably would have killed him right there and then.

So...being that he "seemingly" didn't believe that there is actually a community of us that call ourselves "survivors" and that there actually are schools like this out there...maybe  the fornits community would like to remind him that we DO in fact exist.

His contact information is

Dr M/i/c/h/a/e/l L. M/c/G/r/a/i/l  M.D.

he can be reached at (3/1/0) 2/7/1-3/9/7/3

I'm sure that the programmies will call and sing praises about the programs and manipulate and spin the facts...Sure...I could have pointed him to Fornits or any of the other sites...but really...like he's going to do any research while he's not "on the clock" :roll:

Will do.  With a great deal of pleasure actually.

[Anonymous]

Maybe he can perscribe something to help you sleep and ease your nightmares.

Since you live in Cali, and it has a medical marijuana program, try pot.  It suppresses dreams in most people and helps with anxiety, depression etc...  They have other medications, but the ones that i've tried have serious side effects.. for example.. insomnia.. they gave me ambien  ...  It worked. I got to sleep, but during the day (and no I didn't take it during the day) it affected my depth perception so severely that other cars on the road appeared to be floating on my dashboard.  Right when that started happening, i called my shrink and was quite pissed...  Prozac.. works but makes me feel numb, a bit dopey, and makes my hands shake... which is really really frustrating as an artist.  Aderall.. Aderall works, but I am worried about the long-term consequences of taking what is essentially meth...  Pot..  Pot does all those things for me, and has extra added bonuses such as ambidexterity, and a giant creativity boost.  Why is pot illegal for medical use, and meth legal...  Fucking pharmaceutical companies.

Since I can't smoke in my house (rents), I rarely sleep much anymore... and just deal with the side-effects...  But hey...  Since you're in California, go for it.

[Anonymous]

It was humiliating to say the least.

I tried to explain the problems that I was having and how my "thinking" had been affected by my TBS. I tried to tell him about the experience.

What was his reaction?

He just sat there with a big grin on his face (laughing on the inside I surmise) and asked me if I "had bumped my head"....to which I curtly  answered "NO...and my mother didn't drop me on my head either"...Then it was on the the standard "had I ever been physically or sexually abused" diatribe.

He threw a couple other underhanded insults my way...but all in all they are insignificant compared to his lack of empathy and his basic unwillingness to listen...after all...why on earth would a patient walk into a Psychiatrist's office and actually say something sane :roll:  Basic prejudgement B.S. by a health professional....they read a little Freud and think that they have it all figured out.  So much for continuing education :rofl:

I guess I shouldn't expect any less from a Shrink that has his practice in Beverly Hills.

Anywhere else ain't much better.  Until you point em to fornits or spend sessions reading print-offs of survivor testimony to him (don't expect him to bother reading it otherwise), he will remain an asshole.  Shame him.. Shame him good.

So...what did he think I needed?

A behavior modification program. ::puke::

Given my current level of frustration, I probably would have killed him right there and then.

So...being that he "seemingly" didn't believe that there is actually a community of us that call ourselves "survivors" and that there actually are schools like this out there...maybe  the fornits community would like to remind him that we DO in fact exist.

His contact information is

Dr M/i/c/h/a/e/l L. M/c/G/r/a/i/l  M.D.

he can be reached at (3/1/0) 2/7/1-3/9/7/3

I'm sure that the programmies will call and sing praises about the programs and manipulate and spin the facts...Sure...I could have pointed him to Fornits or any of the other sites...but really...like he's going to do any research while he's not "on the clock" :roll:

Will do.  With a great deal of pleasure actually.

Yes.
Also,I suggest you read all the information at http://www.rickross.com/
After reading it,maybe you can find the spicific kind of help you need.
(If you experience trouble viewing www.rickross.com,maybe that website is underconstruction today,but keep checking.
I consider it the only good info I have seen on this subject.)

[psy]

From a parent's perspective... (very detailed account of TASKS seminars (LGAT))
http://http://www.insidersview.info

Daughter's view including Good links and info:
http://http://www.insidersview.info/review-kyrstenbean.htm


Check my website as well, under the abuse section.  I have a lot of links to BM information....  I should probably post my bookmarks at some point.  I have a lot of useful shit.  Look for anything by Margaret Singer, Richard Ofshe, or Robert Lifton.

but i'm tellin ya.. when monday rolls around... i'm gonna call this quack and let him have a real big piece of my mind...

[Anonymous]

anyone else call the guy ?!
I did
I think he'll just think im mentally ill. So please somebody else call! !!!!:P
I called up and left a message on his anserwing machine. i didnt put any thought into what I was going to say before hand and when it started recording I was like hmm... how best to put this without sounding like Im reporting being abducted by aliens....?
Anyway, I have chronic illness so I am always aware that this affects my ability to artiuclate myself and here I am trying to explain..

.""You see ....when I was a young teen I was kidnapped, then I was held prisoner by a cult, then I was tortured in a deliberate attempt to damage my brains' thinking, problem solving, and intuitive subconsious and involuntary funtional skills. They are protected by high ranking politicains who recieve gignatic donations by the cult leaders...Why, the main cult leader Mel Sembler, is protected by Ronald Regean and George Bush himself!!!These cults are all over America!!! Kidnapping children as we speak!!! Anyway your pateint posted a message telling the rest of us survivors to call you...."


Call the fellow for godakes!!

[Anonymous]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

i Find this a very strange posing...its like you are trying to intimidate us from reporting abuse to health care profesionals. Actually shrinks ARE in the business of "validating" that you were abused...they are suposed to make you "feel" heard. Wether they themselves agree with you is another issue.

Unless you are reporting something obviously outrageous like you are being hunted by invisiable dragons the medically responsible reaction is not to assume you are lying. .And even if you make outrageous claims like being chased by invicible dragons the medically ethical response is not to insult you and say things like "god, haha you are such a nut!" what a crazy thing to say"

This fellow has agregiously violated  protocal. He could actually be accountable civiliy and with the medical oversight organizations of Caifornia (not sure what they would be) You could report him if that is something you are interested in and there would be some level of censor for his behavior

ask dysfunction Juntion hed know more about it(fornits residnet pschiartrist
Acutally if you are looking for a shrink ..why not dysfunction?? He has the most expericne out of anyone I canthink of in helping survivors

oh yeah Im the girl that just posted
someone call the creep!

[psy]

Why cant you tell them your experiences are you implying its dangerous?

MAYBE they can help you with your pain,but they are not in the business of validating your abuse.

YOU KNOW,or believe,that you were abused.
These Psyc folks have no way of knowing if its true,but if you BELIEVE its true,maybe they will do something to ease the pain,or maybe further abuse you,Some doctors give knock out drugs to their patients then rape them.
You never know.
If you tell ANYBODY you are thinking of hurting yourself,then you can LOOSE TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR FREEDOM FOR AN UNSPECIFIED PERIOD OF TIME.
Its OK to threaten others,but not yourself.

Maybe you should pay money to a lawyer if you want someone to go along with your version of events.

i Find this a very strange posing...its like you are trying to intimidate us from reporting abuse to health care profesionals. Actually shrinks ARE in the business of "validating" that you were abused...they are suposed to make you "feel" heard. Wether they themselves agree with you is another issue.

Unless you are reporting something obviously outrageous like you are being hunted by invisiable dragons the medically responsible reaction is not to assume you are lying. .And even if you make outrageous claims like being chased by invicible dragons the medically ethical response is not to insult you and say things like "god, haha you are such a nut!" what a crazy thing to say"

This fellow has agregiously violated  protocal. He could actually be accountable civiliy and with the medical oversight organizations of Caifornia (not sure what they would be) You could report him if that is something you are interested in and there would be some level of censor for his behavior

ask dysfunction Juntion hed know more about it(fornits residnet pschiartrist
Acutally if you are looking for a shrink ..why not dysfunction?? He has the most expericne out of anyone I canthink of in helping survivors

oh yeah Im the girl that just posted
someone call the creep!

I will on monday.  I want to talk to him, not leave a message.