Lester Roloffs Rebekah Home for Girls Survivors-Cult-mindcon

[Mishell]

In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,
People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.
Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.
Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.
They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.
What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.
If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.
And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.
He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

[Anonymous]

Wow. Does that ever bring back memories! I just recently found this site. I guess I wanted to forget about the ?home?. My recent divorce has driven me to look at stuff though. When Roloff died I guess I assumed it would all end. I?m horrified to hear the truth. But sadly, the posts are all believable. Everyone describes the same kind of craziness.

I remember visiting Hattiesburg and the Palmers. Didn?t see much, but couldn?t wait to leave. Remember it feeling yucky there. Sorry, anon. I bet it was horrible.

As far as how ol? Lester grew up, I understand you Mishell, but I don?t think that gives him any right to force his extreme beliefs on others. That is like pardoning a child molester because they were molested. It does not fly with me. I am aware of how he grew up, his dad, his sister, etc, but that does not give him any right to impose it on others. And he DID impose his beliefs on others. Most people who were hurt as kids refuse to hurt others because they know how it felt. Anyone who needs to control others has ?issues? and needs to get in touch with themselves. And a lot of Lester?s teaching DID make us feel bad about ourselves. It was just magnified by the leaders after him. Nope, asking me to ?understand? what he did in the light of his childhood does not work. Some part of him KNEW he was hurting others. He was a very complex person. Part of him was extremely loving and warm but he also seemed to sometimes have a ?the ends justifies the means? attitude. It is like the sermon about the shepherd who breaks his lamb?s leg because it is willful. I would never follow a god like that. If a parent treated their kid that way they would go to jail?even if their own parents had done it to them!

Roloff was not an angel or a devil, but he made his share of mistakes. He had LOTS of money (which he did not embezzle, he managed it honestly), airplanes, a fleet of busses, the homes, and most important to him, fame and prestige. Don?t forget, he was a full grown adult and bears the responsibility for his actions, not just his intentions.

The cult was started by Lester Roloff, because he was a dynamic preacher who taught others to ?be ye followers of me (as in ME, Lester Roloff) even as I am of Christ?. He overstepped the bounds. He did some really good things and certainly saved many lives, but he could have done it so much better if he had been less egocentric. Later, the people who decided to be his followers carried on the teachings Lester himself laid down. They listen to his tapes and read his books as if they are holy scriptures! The words of Lester Roloff.

I don?t know what he is doing in heaven or whatever. I personally think God is awfully big and eternity is a very long time. All of us make our mistakes and it does not make sense that we pay for them forever. (Except maybe we can see the ?ripples? that we set in motion in our lives and how it affected others who influenced others and so on.)  I guess I?m saying each person must find their own beliefs and make peace with themselves and God (or whatever they perceive god to be). Live is an ever-changing dynamic force and all we can do is the best with each day we have. We can only be grateful for the things that allowed us to grow and be strong, and learn better from the things that were hurtful.

[Anonymous]

so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.
in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1
he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1
it was:
Eve
Ruined
Adam

his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.
remember back then , the ERA?

he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.


:=0

On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:

"

In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,

People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.

Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.

Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.

They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.

What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.

If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.

And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.

He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

"

[Mishell]

If I came across that what he did was right I did not mean to so sorry. What I was trying to say is that I do not believe that Lester roloff ever intended to start a cult. Was it force fed yes I will admit that it was and it was wrong. I believe that he believed in his heart that he was doing good. And I know that he believed that because I was also close to him and remember that he was sencier in his beliefs. I truly believe that he thought he was doing the right thing. For some it worked. For too many it did not. I was trying to say this is the way he was taught and so believed it to be doing right. I also said that i felt very sad for him because If he has realized all the harm he has caused he would weep for the people he hurt. I said I would not want to be in his shoes and I would not. I do not believe he was a bad man I think in his heart he thought he was right but upon facing him self in the next life has a lot to face. There has been times in my life that I thought that I did good for someone and it turned out all wrong but what he started my gwd there must be how many? I do not excuse him, I just understand his teachings and understand somewhat it did in the name of his teachings. I never meant to imply they where right. Really I mean it. I simply wanted to point out that he came from a long line of people that made some really big mistakes that is all. I know that because I fell victim to them to them also...Please do not missunderstand me. Again I say i am sorry for what happened. I went in to hating what happen to me till I heard their stories. And then I felt bad for what happened and grateful I did not have to go through the same. I won't tell you my story because I would be hurt over it. But trust me I know.

Whoever kindles the flames of intolerance in America is lighting a fire underneath his own home.
--Harold E. Stassen, 1947

[Mishell]

Please again I say do not missunderstand me- And what ever he did was not sexual his wife slept in the other room and watch tv wore paints went to the movies and read newspapers name it.  did he teach that woman where shit yeal and i fell victem to that.again all i was trying to say is I was sorry for what he did I did not do it. and thats above poster for starting this fight and making me look like a bad person when all I was trying to do was expalne why I knew he fucked up.
Again I never said it was right. You people just want to fight. God will see you one day too. Above person.

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

[Anonymous]

This is "recently divorced".

Just wanted to point out that it is obvious we were ALL hurt, and that we obviously did't just "get over it". None of us. We are all survivors of a cult. It damaged our lives and we are all trying to make sense of it now.

[Anonymous]

On 2005-11-20 18:38:00, Mishell wrote:

"Please again I say do not missunderstand me- And what ever he did was not sexual his wife slept in the other room and watch tv wore paints went to the movies and read newspapers name it.  did he teach that woman where shit yeal and i fell victem to that.again all i was trying to say is I was sorry for what he did I did not do it. and thats above poster for starting this fight and making me look like a bad person when all I was trying to do was expalne why I knew he fucked up.

Again I never said it was right. You people just want to fight. God will see you one day too. Above person.

It may be that our role on this planet is not to worship God, but to create him.
--Arthur C. Clarke, author

"

mishell,you'll see that you can't say anything on here good or bad without getting attacked.fuck all those people,please  continue to post,i find your stories about roloff fasinating.i do believe roloff was a good man .i do not believe that the way all of it turned out was how he intended it.

[Anonymous]

> I think sometimes we can seem really bad on the outside but be
good on the inside. We just need someone to give us a place to show
it. Without assuming what we appear to be on the outside is not on
the inside. I think it can be as simple as just believing in
someone. We have enough people in our life's pointing out our bad,
We need our friends to remind us of the good, And if anyone would
see that side of us it would be them to remind us of what we are-
Not, what we are not. Once reminded,I think it becomes easier to get
back to the good inside us.
> And the best place to show it is with a friend, Because they never
mind letting us in.
> That is why I come here because yall never mind letting me in-
> Thanks friends! By Blue

[Anonymous]

A flood threatens a town, forcing everyone to evacuate, But Joe
thinks,
"I'm a devout man, God will save me," and stays
put. As the waters rise, Joe's neighbor comes by and says, "Joe
come with me, we've got to go." Joe declines,
"I'm a devout man, God will save me."

The waters keep rising, Joe scrambles to his second floor. A
firefighter in a rowboat comes by. "Get in the boat or you'll
drown," he says. Joe again declines, saying,
"God will save me."



Finally , the flood waters force Joe to his roof. A police
helicopter comes by and throws down a rope. "Climb up or you'll
drown," the policeman yells. "No, I'm a devout man,
God will save me," Joe replies.

Soon, Joe drowns.
He arrives in heaven and challenges God.
"Why didn't you help me?"

"What do you mean?" God says.

"I did help. I sent a neighbor, a firefighter and a helicopter."


Like Joe, many of us wait for something to rescue us while we miss
opportunities to help ourselves. Whether in our business lives or
personal lives, we hope for a transforming event.
A terrific new customer, a great relationship, a better family life.

But life isn't like that. Like Joe, if we want things to be
different, we have to do something ourselves.
But where to start?
How do we learn to recognize an opportunity when it comes our way?


Make a plan - Form a vision of what you want to achieve, then
develop a plan of how to make that vision a reality, To judge
whether an opportunity
is one to seize or let pass you need to Understand whether it fits
your goals.

Make a commitment - Get used to saying no, Get used to saying yes.
But whatever you do, do it with commitment and conviction. Like Joe,
we have to learn to recognize opportunities and then grab them.

[Anonymous]

This is 'recently divorced.'

To eliminate confusion, I claim ownership of the posts that begin with the following;

"Funny, about Ms. Camron's voice."
"Same anonymous poster as above. "
"Whew! Did not mean to start an arguement"
"I?m not sure who you mean as the teacher."
"Wow. Does that ever bring back memories!"

as well as the more recent ones where I will continue to use this 'handle'.

If you want to tell stories and memories, fine. I have certainly don't mean to discourage it. Got plenty myself. If you want to discuss if Roloff MEANT to be a cult leader or not, that is fine too. But keep in mind, the only answer people can give is thier opinion.

After surviving all that stuff, who CARES if someone agrees with you or not? Everyone is free to their own view...we all have our own perspective.

I think I hear anger and hurt at nothing but opinions. Can you be OK enough with your own beliefs and opinions to let others disagree on some points? That is one of the things that came hard for me.

I personally would be glad to hear the stories, but don't want to hurt anybody elses feelings. I am opinionated, but will consider what people say, and I don't get upset if you disagree with me. If I disagree with you it only means I disagree on that point. It is not a big deal.

[Anonymous]

This is laughable OMG!!! Can I even say the word sex in the same sentence with his name. When I looked at him I did not think of sex? He did however hit me. And hard to knock me clean across the room and over the couch. Them veggies sure made him strong. I know that because I don't know that there ant no other man has ever hit me that hard. I never saw him hit anyone else. But I could Piss the devil off if I put my mind to it.  




On 2005-11-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:

"so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.

in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1

he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1

it was:

Eve

Ruined

Adam



his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.

remember back then , the ERA?



he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.





:=0












On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:


"


In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,


People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.


Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.


Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.


They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.


What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.


If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.


And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.


He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
-- A Bit of Fry and Laurie

"

"
[/quote]

[Anonymous]

I do not recall him even standing up to his own wife! She wore her jewelry and makeup to church every time and a lot of it! She stayed on her side of the house and man she ruled the roost. I never saw one mark on her ever. She even had her own catty. Piles of money all over the house. That is what I call abuse. She even got her own side of the house and was fat to boot I think he preached against all those things didn't he?
On 2005-11-21 07:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"

This is laughable OMG!!! Can I even say the word sex in the same sentence with his name. When I looked at him I did not think of sex? He did however hit me. And hard to knock me clean across the room and over the couch. Them veggies sure made him strong. I know that because I don't know that there ant no other man has ever hit me that hard. I never saw him hit anyone else. But I could Piss the devil off if I put my mind to it.  









On 2005-11-20 16:49:00, Anonymous wrote:


"so it sounds to me as if you really do love abd adore Lester Roloff the man. he was a woman degrader, and believed that most ills in this world all go back to blame Eve.


in my roloff bible i have marked some notes from his sermon, on Psalm 1


he gave us an acronym to note down in our bibles in this one sermon on Psalm 1


it was:


Eve


Ruined


Adam





his own teachings were twisted and he was a definite cult leader.


remember back then , the ERA?





he believed this way, he was not one to see females any other way than to be used and blamed for his own sick sexual issues.








:=0



















On 2005-11-20 12:27:00, Mishell wrote:



"



In response: What I meant by teacher is people like the Cameron's who twisted his teaching's and used them to punish and be-little and torture, girls. The teachers that took Gods words and twisted them and and used them to punish girls and make them feel bad about themselves. Then they would hide behind Lester Roloff and proclaim that as his teachings. A lot of girls walked away from that home thinking that it was Lester Roloff that was doing those things when In fact he would not of done hardly any of those things he wasn't that kind of man. I do not think he had any ideal of what those people where doing and after he died he sure couldn't of stopped it. He was a man and yes human with faults, He was a preacher that started out with a dream to help old people, pregnant girls, boys,



People in jail. His teachings where not that un-common in our day. There where preachers that preached fire and brimstone. He wasn't raised with t.v. and rock and roll, I did not even have t.v. as a child we played outside and made our on fun. I for one was not allowed to hear rock and roll, I had to sneak to hear it. Think about where he came from. His Dad was an old southern preacher that he did not even like. Not sure but rumored his brother was a draft dodger.  Some in their town painted their porch yellow because of it. His sister died I think in waco.He made his rules according to how he grew up and what he was taught. He was brought up during the war. When the times changed he did not. He stuck with the old testament when it came to his rules. He believed the old ways was the right way. And the old ways before this country started changing where pretty tough. A girl did not dare get pregnant back then. A lot of woman died and so their children because of back door abortion's.



Rock and roll was a sin they fought to keep it out of homes and the public. T.V. use to be considered of the devil, Blacks had no rights.



Communism was a big deal then. And anything could be Communism. And everything was blamed on Communism even TV and rock and roll nude picture porn. Name it? It was OK for men to hit their wife's and keep them in line. Until my mom was 18 she could not even wear makeup.And then Only lipstick. Family's use to be God fearing family's.



They where hard on their kids. I could not even pee where a black person peed. Nobody wanted progress and feared it and was taught it from the bible. The thing about the bible is you can take 1 scripture and get 50 meanings from it.



What I am saying is look back at the way things use to be. He went by what he was taught. And truly believed that what he was taught would some how save the world. All he knew was things did not use to be that way. He wanted to put them back. Today what we consider a cult. Was their teachings. Your parents didn't give a shit less if you wanted to read the bible or go to church back then. Most of them where not given choices. They believed the way their parents told them to and in a lot of countries and religions it is still that way. Every one is trying to make him that wacko in Waco and he was not. If he was guilty for anything it was for not talking to the kids or listening to them. He was guilty for not watching the workers more closely and his homes. He truly believed that these where good people he had hired. He was guilty for being old school. Not Cult schooled. If that is the case then that would make most of our grandparents and their parents cult leaders.



If anyone made that place a cult it was the teachers the people who run the homes because they knew better. They used it for power and money and control, They used it to hurt and destroy life's and tare apart family's. It spun out of control. I knew Lester Roloff to and he would of went to hell and back for these people he loved. He was gentle but Stern. He was pulled from all sides over these homes But only one man. He was trusting and loving. And he cried real tears and felt real heartbreak for a child that had been abused or broken. He just could not save the world. I agree with most of what the poster before me posted and I thank you for pointing it out. I to feel not just bad but horrible for the kids after me also. And I wish that me saying I sorry would help. It wasn't right what happen to them. I tell you this it haunts me to. Because it wasn't how it started.



And yes he made mistakes big mistakes that all of us have learned by. And so will our kids because we will have taught them. Do I think he is happy in heaven? No,I think he weeps for these people who have been wronged and regrets that he was more self willed than God willed.



He has a whole eternity to weep and face himself and his mistakes. That he can not undo. And my heart weeps for him because I would not want to be in his shoes. It did not start out a cult. But ended up one.And for the people who still endure that pain I would take it all away if I could. And I know I am sorry that it did is a drop in the bucket, But for what is worth although small I will be the first to stand up and say it, and wish that only others would and say I am sorry, Can I help?

I think animal testing is a terrible idea;  they get all nervous and give the wrong answers.    
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Thanks Friend! ::mecry::

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Why would you being glad to hear anyone else story hurt anyone's feelings? And why not tell some of your stories if it doesn't matter what any one else thinks. Are you OK enough with your own beliefs and opinions to tell all your experiences and views? Are you secure enough to  get up on the fornits soap box and let it rip?
Keep in mind it takes a thick skin... I get knocked off my soap box all the time but I get right back on it. Personally, and I am pretty opinionated my self, would prefer if someone is going to back what ever they disagree on with a valid point or story. To disagree to just be disagreeing is arguing to me. But to disagree with a point to why you feel that way, Is having something to say without being critical. There are pages and pages of opinions on here I would like to hear some good valid points of view. I would like to discuss  with you your story on why you believe Roloff meant to be a cult leader or not? At least you would be voicing something
other than your opinion. So speak up! Everyone else dose. And it is OK to be mad about what happened. We all are mad. Say your views just don't impose them. Say they are wrong without saying why is like a hand in my face. You see I am one of those people who don't care what anyone thinks so you understanding that in all I thought I would write you.

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On 2005-11-21 09:16:00, Anonymous wrote:

"Thanks Friend! ::mecry:: "

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