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« Reply #660 on: November 23, 2005, 01:02:00 AM »
ANY ONE WANT TO TALK TURKEY? :smile:
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« Reply #661 on: November 23, 2005, 06:45:00 AM »
gobble gobble gobble
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« Reply #662 on: November 24, 2005, 01:55:00 PM »
This is 'divorced'

Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!

In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.

As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better.
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« Reply #663 on: November 26, 2005, 01:01:00 AM »
:evil: Evil cult is what you where. Finally an older Rebekah girls tells what she was. So if you where that close to him you must have been a bad cult member. Up to your ears in it. It was the older girls that carried out his orders. How many girls did you hurt? And so on and so on.
You people where a cult and you started it.
You destroyed our liefs! How many girls did you issue his orders to? How many girls did you hurt?
You girls did nothing to stop this! You where the beginning to our pain and torture. And it is about time you admitted what you did to us.
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« Reply #664 on: November 26, 2005, 06:38:00 AM »
oh hell,the bully is back.ignore this person and keep telling your story.
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« Reply #665 on: November 26, 2005, 10:34:00 AM »
Believe me, if I had known what was going to happen in the future, I would have done everything in my power to fight the homes! But I did not know. I just wanted to forget about the ?home? and when Roloff died I though it would all end. I?m horrified to learn the truth.

I remember picking oranges at ?Peaceful Valley?. Yeah, it was bordered by the Rio Grande. They would load us on a bus and take us to pick fruit. It was hot hard work, but then they fed us well.

When I was there, Roloff flew a twin-engine Piper Aztec N188Y was the tail number I believe. When on the radio, He always told the control tower his name was Roloff ?like Roll off the bed.? He was quite a character. He loved to be the center of attention. And oh, yeah! He loved drama when he flew. Myself, I?ve always been a daredevil to the max, and loved it too. Coming from a horribly abusive family, I did not care if I lived or died. (I don?t think I decided I wanted to live until I was over 40.)

That is the rub. If you had a loving foundation you could put the home behind you. But if you didn?t know anything else, it messed up your thinking and ability to make good decisions which caused more pain, etc. It has been very cathartic reading other?s stories?and it has made me grateful I was as lucky as I was.

Anyway, Rolloff was a reckless pilot from day one. It took him several years to get his instrument rating because of it. It only takes most people about 1 year. And that rating made him even more reckless. I was with him through many thunderstorms. He seemed to try to get into trouble. Then he would get all excited and start singing. One time the plane was full and we were flying at 12,000 feet over the rocky mountains (By FAA regulations, he had to wear oxygen at that altitude.) Suddenly it got quiet. An engine had failed. We started falling and had to follow canyons hoping we didn't meet a dead end. (literally). We ended up landing at a dirt strip in New Mexico.

When I arrived, there were about 15 girls and we all lived in trailers. We were crammed in there like sardines. I slept in a sleeping bag on the kitchen floor for a while. I was new, and they were fasting which made no sense to me. So I got mad and demanded an orange or something! Papa got all huffy and said I was a ?sinner? then called me a heffer and I retaliated verbally?cussed him out and told him he had to boss around girls to feel like a ?big man?. He ended up whapping me on the head really hard and leaving a big bruise on my temple. I was used to getting beat up at home, so I wasn?t afraid of anybody. I only got paddled a few times, because it only made me more resistant. I wasn?t going to let that jerk see me cry for anything.

One thing Granny & Papa did that has always bothered me, is that I got REALLY sick after a couple months. I threw up every time I tried to move, had terrible earaches and sore throat. I couldn?t eat for about 2 weeks and was running a high fever. They refused to do anything at all. I couldn?t even get an aspirin (some health food regulation). I could have had lifelong health problems from an infection and fever like that or even died. They are lucky I recovered. But they NEVER acknowledged I was ever really sick. In fact I was repeatedly paddled for not working and not going to church but I was too weak and too stubborn to care.


They also did not allow any school or textbooks. That used to really make me mad. (Plus it was illegal). I swear! To this day I have never been bored again. People don?t know how lucky they are they can bring a book or magazine with them to read if they get stuck waiting somewhere. You should have seen the laughs I got years later when I applied to college with a only a formal 9th grade education, a GED and no clue what algebra was! But I?m tenacious and graduated with a high B average, even passing calculus and physics.

As bad as the home was, it was better than my family. I was very brainwashed there and was encouraged to believe God led me there to get the love I never had. Now I?m angry as hell about it. They just used me to raise money, and they didn?t really care about me. And I was too brainwashed to see the truth. By the way, I never snitched on the other girls and was often singled out for punishment by Granny, who was jealous I got so much of Roloff?s attention. I remember when we moved into the dorms I was responsible for ALL the laundry plus so many other chores it was impossible to get it all done so she would punish me with lock up.

When I finally left, I had nowhere to go. It did not have to be that way. Several families had asked Roloff to let me live with them but he said no. I did not know how to find a job, manage a checking account or survive in the real world. When I called to ask for advise, granny & papa and even Roloff refused to take my calls (which were not collect). I was only told to get married and God would take care of me. So I married a man who was raised a fundamental Christian. He beat me, made me work and took all my money, and I stayed in that horrible marriage until recently. For reasons I wont go into, I could not have kids, but raised his. He undermined me to my face telling them I wasn?t their mother and they didn?t have to mind me.

If there had been one last shred of self-respect undamaged, I would have left. At least I called the police and reported him for physical abuse so that stopped. Still, he lied to me, spent the money I made on himself, and acted entitled. Only recently I discovered he had been cheating on me and finally left. Since he didn?t allow me to have my own friends, I find myself very alone right now, but I?ll survive. Finally I at least have self respect and can fashion a decent life.

These days I don?t call myself a Christian. I don?t want to be associated with people who abuse that term, and my beliefs would NOT be approved of by the Roloffite bunch. But my conscience is clear.

Knowing Roloff as I did, I DO blame him for starting that cult. He most definitely, absolutely,

'recently divorced'
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« Reply #666 on: November 26, 2005, 11:25:00 AM »
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On 2005-11-24 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is 'divorced'



Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!



In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.



As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better."
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It was diane rundell that jumped out the window when we where there, And yes I do know who you are.
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« Reply #667 on: November 26, 2005, 12:28:00 PM »
The girl who jumped when I was there was Glenda. She had a twin sister, Linda who was there too. Glenda spent some time in a body cast and probibly suffers from back trouble to this day.

I have not kept up with anyone from the home as I felt like they dumped me with no means to care for myself.

To quote Jerry Garcia, "What a long strange trip it's been."

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« Reply #668 on: November 26, 2005, 03:21:00 PM »
I remember Glinda and Linda. Diana Rundel also jumped out the window I think in 74 maybe? So did you live in flower bluff? Or did you move straight away to the trailers on the farm. I think there was 12 girls when they first moved there. So where you part of the quartet or emsumable. I have pictures I believe. You are maybe M.k. Or B,R.
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« Reply #669 on: November 26, 2005, 05:00:00 PM »
Ha Ha. Very close, but not quite right. I was in the original ensemble so you nearly had me pegged. Once I got good and brainwashed, I started to write songs. I sang one for Bro. Roloff and he decided to form an ensemble to travel with him. I never meant for things to turn out the way they did...I was just a confused kid. Part of me feels very 'used' as he made tons of money of the ensemble and I WAS a Roloff robot. I had no mind of my own. It embarrases me to think of the things I said in front of all those congregations in support of Roloff. But he treated me WAY better than my parents did, and that was all I knew.

I suspected from the posts there were two different people who jumped. That is SO aweful. I didn't know Diana. I remember Brenda well. She is the one who passed out in the plane over the Rockies. I hope she is doing well now. She was a really sweeet girl.

Geez! The girls home experience was so confusing. In the end though, while I remember some good things, I cannot condone Roloff's attitude that he knew what was right for everyone else. Pushing his values on me really screwed up my head for a long time, and it caused me to marry someone who continued to give me the message love had to be earned 'cause I was a worthless worm.

I expect I would have ended up OD'ing on drugs or something if I hadn't gotten some sort of help as I was so miserable when I got there. But as horrible as it sounds, I'm not sure surviving was worth going through the girls home experience. But you can't change the past. The only thing I can do, now that I know his ministries are still operating, is work toward educating people about the truth of what goes on there.

Maybe my attitude will change soon as I'm going through a lot of pain (and financial trouble) around the divorce right now. The asshole bullied me into leaving with very little of what I worked very hard for. In the end, though, it is all forcing me to find out who I am, and I don't feel like a worm that needs to EARN love any more, and I finally don't feel guilty for who I am, or feel I need to prove myself.

So life is just life. Everyone has bad things happen, some more than others. The important thing seems to be to learn and grow from our experiences. And I'm finding there are a few really good people around now that I know how to recognize them.
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« Reply #670 on: November 26, 2005, 07:01:00 PM »
you must have written wasted days and wasted years..... or the Mother song that everyone love so much ... written as a letter to her mother .... but made into a song.....the one that wrote wasted days and wasted years wrote many other songs but my mind is not clear... i see faces... and parts of names..... so if hidding who you are is your idea you managed well..... but other than those two... which came after you as you say you were among the first 20 you cant be but one other girl....whom i sought for a while ...but i had heard she got married had kids and well .... there is one other...but she came long after you.... girl you got my head rocking... and thats not to grand...but please answer me privately.... ....... 'superchicken' will tell you how to do that.... yes... i'm a bit secertive... and there's great cause for that which i wont go into here.... and hey.... ya got any idea of what has taken place with brenda hope..... laters :silly:
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« Reply #671 on: November 26, 2005, 07:55:00 PM »
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On 2005-11-24 10:55:00, Anonymous wrote:

"This is 'divorced'



Of course Roloff never thought "I'm going to start a 'cult'." He thought he was the voice in the winderness preaching the Truth. He thought he was right. He wasn't though. He was extreme. His views were fine for some people and he could have left it at that. But he did not. He imposed his beliefs on captive kids who had no choice in the matter! In his mind he wanted to start a 'movement'. But he will be remembered as a cult leader. Like it or not, believe it or not, he stepped over the line!



In the end, I don't hate him but I do hate some of the twished teaching and hurts that came out of his ministry. And if I feel REALLY bad for the girls who suffered under the Camerons, (and I thought the Weatherfords were bad). (By the way, it seems there are 2 different stories about girls jumping form the second story. I remember it happening under the Weatherfords.) I feel terrible for the kids who were in his homes after his death. I used to think the boys had it better, 'casue Roloff WAS a woman hater. But they had it really hard too. I prefer to tone down what I have to say because it is such an emotional subject.



As far as a cult; Roloff started the ball rolling. And I can tell you a lot of stories because I travelled with him for 2 years! As I am new here, I will not give my name. The only clue; I was in the plane that set down of the freeway outside of Chattanooga. We here going from Cullonen to Chattanooga and lost gas pressure in north Georgia. The state patrol let someone get gas and clearedt he cars so we could take off. What an incredible story! But you all know it really happened. Almost certainly some of you know me and I don't want to be blasted for being ungrateful, etc. The memeories are not all bad...some are very humorous. In the end though, if he had realized others were not so far 'below' him spiritually, things could have been MUCH better."


So why do you think he was a woman hater? What did he do or say to make you feel that way?
Very believable story about the plane! " Been There".  Not almost crashing- but sure believed it was my last trip. I wonder if counted how many times that plane actually went down. and almost never made it. I wonder if the people in side the plane on his final day knew that was it or believed they would make it by faith, I always knew that is how it would end for him. I truly believe he did test God. Do I believe he was reckless with the people's life's while in the air oh yes I do. I think he was born a dare devil and died one. I always wonder if God held him accountable for those life's that day.
When I first found the girls again I was pretty upset to put it mildly will tell in next post.
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« Reply #672 on: November 26, 2005, 07:57:00 PM »
Love to hear the posts where we are finally talking about something.
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« Reply #673 on: November 26, 2005, 08:00:00 PM »
Oh GWD where is my pictures. I knew. And I have yours hehe
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« Reply #674 on: November 26, 2005, 08:03:00 PM »
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"you must have written wasted days and wasted years..... or the Mother song that everyone love so much ... written as a letter to her mother .... but made into a song.....the one that wrote wasted days and wasted years wrote many other songs but my mind is not clear... i see faces... and parts of names..... so if hidding who you are is your idea you managed well..... but other than those two... which came after you as you say you were among the first 20 you cant be but one other girl....whom i sought for a while ...but i had heard she got married had kids and well .... there is one other...but she came long after you.... girl you got my head rocking... and thats not to grand...but please answer me privately.... ....... 'superchicken' will tell you how to do that.... yes... i'm a bit secertive... and there's great cause for that which i wont go into here.... and hey.... ya got any idea of what has taken place with brenda hope..... laters :silly: "


You sang on those old albums did'nt ya taters? what albums did you sing on resenty dev. you had to be in the quartet to travel that much with him. I think you are M. K.
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