Comparisons which dont involve death counts

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AA said:

Also, in a room full of dysfunctional children, is there no concern that these children will come to think that being dysfunctional is normal? How about being in a school full of dysfunctional children? Without exposure to 'normal' people, how are these kids supposed to see what that looks like?

Scooter responded:

I believe there is a risk, but I also believe it would be over a longer period of time. You have to remember that these kids or most of them come to these schools after being in their own environment for 12 + years. They have the values set out for them by their parents. So a few months with other kids with similar problems isn?t going to shake their value systems too much. Plus you have to weigh the exposure to the peers they were hanging out with prior to the TBS. They may not have had ?Normal? people to model after before.
I think the counselors help to set an example and move them along a better path.

Back to this debunked myth once again, Scooter?

Look here:

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p= ... %2A#193959

The Who wrote:



"Kids actually do typically look up to their counselors and want to be like them because they seem confident, happy and are helping others."

Factually this is wrong again.  Big surprise there.



Let me give you some terms to look up since you're so fond of having others do so.  Look up "iatrogenic juvenile delinquency" and you'll see that through many studies (try to grasp that one) since the 1950's it has been proven without doubt that aggregating distressed teens/juvenile delinquents INCREASES maladaptive behavior because the kids view OTHER KIDS as the role models NOT the counselors.



You are just really factually mistaken on this subject, as usual.  The research exists, you're ignorant of it and you make ignorant conclusions based soley on your own opinion and no evidence whatsoever.

What a surprise, Scooter.  You ignored the research and went back to beating that dead horse.

[TheWho]

Wow DJ, You are really pissed I proved you wrong about the counselors at ASR being licensed?. I stand by what I said in both of those posts.  I think if you bothered to Read the studies instead of copying someone else?s post you would see this applies to Juvenile detention centers and juvy halls.  Like adults in prison if the rehabilitation is left uncheck and the people/ kids are left to experience and learn from each other they will take on each others traits thereby increasing the bad behavior that got them their in the first place.

This isn?t the 1050?s folks, wake up!!!  They have Therapeutic Boarding schools which recognizes this problem and the kids grow together with healthy peer and adult modeling.  Instead of bickering about whether this works or not the parents should ask to talk to other parents who had kids at the school.
The proof is in the pudding as they say.

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Wow DJ, You are really pissed I proved you wrong about the counselors at ASR being licensed?. I stand by what I said in both of those posts.  I think if you bothered to Read the studies instead of copying someone else?s post you would see this applies to Juvenile detention centers and juvy halls.  Like adults in prison if the rehabilitation is left uncheck and the people/ kids are left to experience and learn from each other they will take on each others traits thereby increasing the bad behavior that got them their in the first place.

This isn?t the 1050?s folks, wake up!!!  They have Therapeutic Boarding schools which recognizes this problem and the kids grow together with healthy peer and adult modeling.  Instead of bickering about whether this works or not the parents should ask to talk to other parents who had kids at the school.
The proof is in the pudding as they say.

Uh, yeah, speaking of reading posts, it's actually my post I quoted so I did read it.  In fact, I wrote it. :roll:

You can read tea leaves or look to pudding for your answers, but this is what's called a "clinical study" and it it proves that what you're saying is false.  Feel free to keep fingering your snack cups for the answers though, Scootie.

And, as far as ASR's "licensed counselors" go, can you provide the names of the licensed ones so I can verify through the state?  Also, can you cite your source for making this claim?  Thanks.

[TheWho]

DJ, Wrote:

Uh, yeah, speaking of reading posts, it's actually my post I quoted so I did read it. In fact, I wrote it.

Take a look at the previous page also?.Hmmmm

You can read tea leaves or look to pudding for your answers, but this is what's called a "clinical study" and it it proves that what you're saying is false. Feel free to keep fingering your snack cups for the answers though, Scootie.

So, we are discussing food groups at this point?  I am a coffee drinker and I try to avoid dessert in a cup, if that helps ?. And they didn?t have schools, like they have today, when the studies were performed 60 years ago?..  I would like to see that study repeated at some of the present boarding schools, too much has changed in 60 years.

And, as far as ASR's "licensed counselors" go, can you provide the names of the licensed ones so I can verify through the state? Also, can you cite your source for making this claim? Thanks.

I wouldn?t put these peoples names on this web site.  I don?t think the parents care to see them either.
If I were to give advice to parents I would tell them to call the school and ask them if they have licensed counselors and get comfortable with how many, what schools they attended, background, experience etc.
I don?t really need to know at this point.

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DJ, Wrote:

Uh, yeah, speaking of reading posts, it's actually my post I quoted so I did read it. In fact, I wrote it.

Take a look at the previous page also?.Hmmmm

You can read tea leaves or look to pudding for your answers, but this is what's called a "clinical study" and it it proves that what you're saying is false. Feel free to keep fingering your snack cups for the answers though, Scootie.

So, we are discussing food groups at this point?  I am a coffee drinker and I try to avoid dessert in a cup, if that helps ?. And they didn?t have schools, like they have today, when the studies were performed 60 years ago?..  I would like to see that study repeated at some of the present boarding schools, too much has changed in 60 years.

And, as far as ASR's "licensed counselors" go, can you provide the names of the licensed ones so I can verify through the state? Also, can you cite your source for making this claim? Thanks.

I wouldn?t put these peoples names on this web site.  I don?t think the parents care to see them either.
If I were to give advice to parents I would tell them to call the school and ask them if they have licensed counselors and get comfortable with how many, what schools they attended, background, experience etc.
I don?t really need to know at this point.

Scooter finally rolls over on yet another false claim he has made.  Good boy, Scooter!  Good, boy!

See, Scootie, this is why I go through these tedious exercises with you:  because, in the end, you always roll over and say you "don't care" about issues you've been vehemently defending for days on end.  

Now, you could just save some time and energy by just being honest up front.  I know this is a foreign concept to you, but give it a try sometime.  People might actually lend some creedence to what you say.  

Keep carrying on like this with your plan of "lie, lie, lie, lie some more and then deny the issue entirely" and you'll keep getting the same results: everyone thinking you're a crackpot.

[RobertBruce]

Just to make sure he doesnt miss it, he's been trying to avoid me because I hurt his feelings so bad

Here's the easiest way to settle the matter.

http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pict ... 4F2D70%7D#

That is the entire staff list for ASR.

http://license.reg.state.ma.us/public/l ... lue&board=

That is the search engine for professional licenses in Massachusettes.

Just run every person who has a title of "counselor" or therapist" through the search engine and see if a license comes up.


Or I could save you the trouble.

Not a single one of them did.

In fact the only person on there with a position related to counseling who did come up is our old friend Ralph Cohen, who according to the state of Massachusettes has an expire licensed that he cannot renew.

So then we are left with the fact that ASR apparently has no licensed counselors of any kind. They have unlicensed staff performing not just individual counseling, but group therapy as well.


There is no question this illegal, let's get on it.

Oh and Cindy, just to move the conversation forward I went ahead and ran a search for a "Dr. Anna" as well, there are currently three Dr. Anna's operating in Mass. Their names begin with C, L, and M respectively. Run a search and see if any of them ring a bell for you.

[TheWho]

Sorry, DJ, you can jump up and down all you like, I am not going to put their names on this web site.  I don?t think parents would want their names or their kids names posted here.
If there is a lack of belief, I would suggest to check it out themselves.  It is really good advice, I believe and it can raise a persons comfort level to talk to the source

[RobertBruce]

Tom Moore-Clinical Counselor

Leslie Plumeri-Counselor

Rosemary Christoph-Clinical Counselor

Erica DeBlase-Clinical Counselor

[RobertBruce]

Frank Bartolomeo-Director of Counseling

Micheal Valuski-Asst. Director of Counseling

[RobertBruce]

Tanya Beecher-Clincial Counselor

Sabrina Herman-Clincial Counselor

Gina Cunningham-Clinical Counselor

Jessica Kuttner-Clincial Counselor

Ness Madeiros-Program Counselor

Ralph Cohen-Psychatrist

[RobertBruce]

Jay Brumberg-Clinical Counselor

Audrey Everson-Clinical Counselor

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Sorry, DJ, you can jump up and down all you like, I am not going to put their names on this web site.  I don?t think parents would want their names or their kids names posted here.
If there is a lack of belief, I would suggest to check it out themselves.  It is really good advice, I believe and it can raise a persons comfort level to talk to the source

Their names are already public record, Scootie.  They are listed on the ASR website for the great, wide world to see, so no need for you to worry about their "confidentiality," Scootie.

Hey, no problem.  I mean, you don't want to have to admit you were very, very wrong, so Robert did your work for you.  

He ran every counselor's name listed on the website through the state licensing search engine (and provided links for both sources) and got the results you so bitterly want to avoid.

So, here's where we stand on the licensing status of ASR's counselors:

According to the Commonwealth of Massachusetts licensing authority, there are no licensed counselors at ASR.

So, now that's settled and we can move on to your next horrible,  embarrassing failure, Scooter.

[Anonymous]

Okay, everyone just shut the hell up for a bit.

I noticed that Ralph L. Cohen is licensed as a medical doctor, as a psychiatrist, and he presumably works at that facility. But he's not on the Massachusetts website as a psychologist. Should he be?

DJ, RB, STFU for a bit, fucking CALL Massachusetts licensing up, and find out where the hell the real information is supposed to be at, and where you can actually find lists of licenses for these people.

[RobertBruce]

Milk I noticed the same thing, ASR has Ralph Cohen listed as a psychatrist, when I run the search through he shows up as a psychologist who licensed has expired. Ive tried finding a registration for psychatrist, but so so far no luck.

Can you repost your link and maybe then we can settle the issue.

In the meantime the key thing to remember is that even if this Cohen is the psychatrist and he's licensed he's the only therapist there who is. None of the rest of them are.

I also wonder why ASR would want a psychatrist over a psychologist? The key difference between the two is that a psychatrist has been to medical school and can perscribe meds. Does ASR keep kids on meds or add new ones?

[TheWho]

Stooge ? The school is in Massachusetts not Connecticut.  

The man has an active license!

http://profiles.massmedboard.org/MA-Phy ... sp?ID=7087

you people are fumbling all over yourselves.  If you are going to try to make a school look bad at least double check your sources.

This is why I don?t believe any of your back ground checks?. Of course they don?t have licenses if you check the wrong state or if they moved from one state to another they will let their license expire in the old state

Parents:  Check with the schools, don?t believe this stuff,  it is loaded with agenda!!!!!