Comparisons which dont involve death counts

[RobertBruce]

Now let's create a more accurate analogy.

Let's say you not having any children of your own decide you  want to raise other peoples kids.

So you buy a house in a neighborhood thats full of people doing the same thing, many of whom have gotten into trouble for abusing children. A number of you get together and form a neighborhood association designed to make sure that no one is abusing any kids, in essence you "self-regulate". There is no real regulation but its the thought that counts right?

You decide to tell the state that you dont have any kids because you dont want them poking their nose in your business, but at the same time you tell the federal gov't youve got a whole boat load of them all so can get tax breaks and other such funds designed for people with children.

At the same time while youre telling the state you dont have any kids youre telling anyone who might be looking to off load their kids that you do. You go so far as to give presents to friends that will refer people to you. You eventually decide to advertise telling anyone and everyone (other than the state) that you take kids and you follow the letter of the law and are licensed, and safe, and give these kids and education, and on and on and on.

Eventually some of the kids get too old and leave your house, or their parents come back and get them. Some of those kids start claiming that you abused them, that you mistreated them. In response you decide to sue anyone who says anything bad about you. You decide people are not allowed to say bad things about you.

After enough kids have complained the state finally gets wind of what youre doing and comes down to see you.

 "Get properly licensed", they say, "Or we're going to close you down."

"What all does being licensed involve?" you ask.

"Well, it basically means that you have to acknowledge to us that youre taking these kids. It also means that you have to stop doing alot of the things youre doing."

"Like what?"

"Well, namely the things these kids are citing as abuse. Youre going to have to fill out some forms and pay a $30.00 licensing fee once a year. Once every six months someone from our office will come by and make sure everything is running okay and none of the kids are being abused. We're also going to have someone here fulltime that you dont have to pay for, but will stay on in case any of the kids feel they are being mistreated. I know you have these kids best interest at heart and you'll have no problem agreeing to all of this. Right? "

How about it Cindy?

[TheWho]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?

By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

I take your non response as a No, you won't be advocating for ASR to be properly licensed and regulated by the state, because you believe it would add no value?

Sorry, I didnt respond.... Yes, I would advocate for licensing and regulation where required.  It is a win, win situation for kids and parents.

[Troll Control]

Good, so you'll lead that movement, Who? How can they claim to care about the kids and avoid regulations that would prohibit certain aspects of their abusive "treatment"?

Let me give you a different example:
  If DSS called you up and said they are starting a new procedure and would like to come over your house every other Thursday and talk to your kids, inspect their rooms etc. (maybe 2 hours max)  You would need to take time off of work to do this and get the kids home.

If you found out about this would you be the first in line to sign up?
 If someone told you if you told DSS ?No? they would not call you back for another year because they are short staffed and you could put it off, would you?


By accepting, would this make you a better parent and benefit the kids?  
By saying no thanks or avoiding it, would this make you a bad parent and hurt your kids?

 Avoiding the questions yourself, just like you claim schools do to regulation..... Hmmmm

See, DJ, by avoiding my questions should that make me suspicious that there is some abuse in your household?  Does it make you a bad parent?

What the hell are you talking about?  Those questions are idiotic and I addressed them in my previous post.

See, your scenario is hypothetical and the chances of its transpiring are zero.

In my scenario, exact, real world observations are used, not some hypothetical mumbo-jumbo.

What you're asking is like me asking you "When are you going to stop beating your grandmother?"

I've seen before how disjointed and detached from reality your thinking is, but now you say that because I didn't answer one of your lame hypotheticals quickly enough for your pleasure that I abuse children in my home?  

You're fucking crazy.

Ha,Ha, so you get mad and don?t answer my questions and avoid them, resort to other questions that you like better (avoid regulation? I see a parallel as do the readers).  I should assume you don?t want DSS to come over to your house to visit then.  Should we assume abuse?

I think I made my point,  you just acted out what the TBS go thru.  They may avoid regulation (as you did my questions and tried to steer us to your questions) and that comes to my point.

Does it make them a bad school or does it conclude they are trying to hide something?

No

Does the fact that you evaded my questions about DSS coming to visit you make you a bad parent?


No we cant conclude that either.

I'm not mad.  You don't make me mad.  I just made the observation that you're fucking crazy.  Which I firmly believe is actually true and not just rhetoric.  

I do genuinely believe there is something very, very wrong with you mentally.  Maybe adult ADD and a healthy dose of the stupids to go with it...?  Certainly narcissistic and disorganized thinking, short term memory defecits (can't remember who wrote what in less than five minutes) and just general lack of education to boot.

BTW, I thought you were going to have your daughter read the forum, too?  What happened to that?

[RobertBruce]

So then why do these places avoid it Cindy? If its true as you claim that they have the kids best interest at heart why would they avoid regulation?

[TheWho]

DJ,  You dont need to answer my questions now.  You proved the point I was trying to make.

The actual avoiding regulations doesnt make any school bad or abusive the same as you avoiding my questions or DSS doesnt make you abusive towards your children.

Answering them now is a moot point.......

My daughter can come any time she wants.

[RobertBruce]

You say that now because theyve been answered and your stupid analogy has been put to shame.

Dysfunction didnt respond because it was a stupid analogy that is so far from reality it made no sense. The TBS's dont tell the state what they really are because they are more interested in making money then the well being of children.

No need to respond the point has been made.

[Troll Control]

DJ,  You dont need to answer my questions now.  You proved the point I was trying to make.

The actual avoiding regulations doesnt make any school bad or abusive the same as you avoiding my questions or DSS doesnt make you abusive towards your children.

Answering them now is a mute point.......

My daughter can come any time she wants.

Once again, the question is not avoidance of questioning.  No facilities are capable of doing this and continuing to operate.  The question is "Why do they lie to regulators when questioned?"  Answer that one, please.

And how is your daughter going to find the site you so carefully hide from her?  I mean, you've never told her what you do here, so how would she just "come any time she wants"?

What's a "mute point"?  I think the word you're looking for is "moot."  That graduate degree must have been from a diploma mill...  Oy.

[TheWho]

DJ,  You dont need to answer my questions now.  You proved the point I was trying to make.

The actual avoiding regulations doesnt make any school bad or abusive the same as you avoiding my questions or DSS doesnt make you abusive towards your children.

Answering them now is a mute point.......

My daughter can come any time she wants.

Once again, the question is not avoidance of questioning.  No facilities are capable fo doing this and continuing to operate.  The question is "Why do they lie when questioned?"  Answer that one, please.

And how is your daughter going to find the site you so carefully hide from her?  I mean, you've never told her what you do here, so how would she just "come any time she wants"?

My point was made....lets move on.  

I am not aware that they lie when questioned...... my daughter can enter this site when she likes.  I dont control her movements

[RobertBruce]

Your point was lost, and everyone knows it,  so yes let's move on.

You are not aware that they lie when questioned? Thats because you don't want to know. You avoid the truth about these places like they avoid regulation.

A school in Northern Georgia had ORS sent in three times. Each time the school claimed there was no therapy, they claimed to be just a run of the mill boarding school, despite all their numerous advertisements to the contrary.

Thats just one school among many, these places deny what they are to the state up and down to avoid regulation. When it comes to advertise however its a very different story.


Justify this for me.

[Troll Control]

No, you just hide from her what you do here because you know as well as I that she will be horrified to find out what her father really is...

And why would you lie again and say you're not aware that facilities lie to regulators when you are very familiar with the cases of HLA, AIR and WWASPS?  You already know that these facilites have been caught lying to regulators and are now facing the penalties for so doing.  You've been educated on this subject many times by me personally and provided links to news stories delineating such.  

Why would you now claim ignorance of these facts?  

That credibility just took another big hit, buddy.  You lie straight through your teeth repeatedly and with forethought.  

The problem is you're not smart enough to get away with it - you get caught lying all the time, over and over.

[RobertBruce]

Awwww Cindy cant respond.  

[TheWho]

What's a "mute point"? I think the word you're looking for is "moot." That graduate degree must have been from a diploma mill... Oy.

I have been going a mile a minute on some of the responses
 and Yea, I meant, "Moot point"...tough crowd......, see there you go again discarding someone totally and their degree because of a minor flaw.  This is why I dont rely on your conclusions or judgement of character, DJ.

[RobertBruce]

Dont cry because youve been owned Cindy. You painted yourself into a corner and it came back to bite you in the ass.

Accept it and move on.

As to your opinion of DJ or anyone else on here, remember youve been now proven to be not only a weakling and a troll, but a liar as well.

You have no credibility whatsoever, none. Whatever designs you had, whatever your agenda was, it will not happen as a result of your actions on fornits. Never again will anyone take you seriously on here. Not us, not parents, not even other programmies.

Youve been burned and you have no one to blame but yourself.

[RobertBruce]

[psy]

Your point was lost, and everyone knows it,  so yes let's move on.

You are not aware that they lie when questioned? Thats because you don't want to know. You avoid the truth about these places like they avoid regulation.

A school in Northern Georgia had ORS sent in three times. Each time the school claimed there was no therapy, they claimed to be just a run of the mill boarding school, despite all their numerous advertisements to the contrary.

Thats just one school among many, these places deny what they are to the state up and down to avoid regulation. When it comes to advertise however its a very different story.


Justify this for me.

Benchmark does the same exact thing...  Getting anything done about it, however...  Well you try dealing with government beaurocracy and/or incompetance and/or corruption and/or special interests.  God damn.  it's like pulling teeth.  Shit.  you know how much it took for the Georgia govt inspectors to get off their fat asses...

*dee dee dee*