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« on: February 09, 2007, 09:29:07 AM »
Judge Roybean an administrator at Magnolia Christian Center, the "school" Kevin August is promoting on his TeenHelpus over on Anti-WWASP, was quick to reveal his previous employment at Bethel Academy when he started posting on the Anti-WWWASP website about December 27, 2006.

Under the thread "Bethel/Eagle Point/Pine View" Judge Roybean states he worked at Bethel in 2003 and he states that Bethel joined WWASP sometimes in 2004.

The "JUDGE" hands out his "folksy legal advice right away on December 31st, saying, "From my 'vast' legal experience you can put most anything into writing as long as it's stated your opinion. Not much they can do to someone expressing that.

On Jan 1st the "JUDGE" adds more legal advice: "(Appeared) is the legal way to say what I wanted and not be able to be charged with anything...In my opinion is another good way!!!"

On Jan. 1st Judge Roybean appears to begin "pushing" his school, Magnolia Christian Center in his posting in the thread "The Trouble with Troubled Teen Programs:"

"After working at a facility (Bethel) that became WWASP, I have to wonder how facilities like that survive."

He brags about where he works now---without naming the school--and says, "....yet we struggle to stay open."

The Judge BRAGS about his school some more:
....how they care about the boys....how parents "get their sons back"...how the boys' behavior improves...WHY, some boys even get "saved" while at his school!
And the food:  it is excellent! The worst the Judge has seen is sandwiches---his school serves fried chicken, port chops, mashed potators and hamburgers!!!!!

YET, his school struggles to survive while wwasps seems to thrive.

Jan 2nd:  Poster "first responder" asked Kev to put a link to the JUDGES website up---thinking this "school" seems like it seems "a hell of a lot better than where we went, the food alone would be worth it!".

Kev: is not sue this would be a good idea, "since it could bring attention to where this man works, and directly link him to this."

JUDGE ROYBEAN: "While it wouldn't bother me one bit about them knowing who I am......I wouldn't want to turn this fine site into a plce of advertising---that's not whate it was created for....however....
   If anyone would like to more about it...if I know of a way to contact the, I certainly will.
The find "JUDGE" leave it up to Kev's good judgement....though the JUDGE "dont recommend a link."

Then the JUDGE describes the food again: (well, it worked before)
GUYS, I've got to tell you about todays chow:
   BBQ Chicken, reibs, yellow rice and turnip greens!

THEN, the Judge admits a buffet resturant gives the "school" left-overs from Sunday, instead of throwing them out...."SO they 'et good!!!!!"

This JUDGE has many postings: and a lot to say about the abuse at Bethel.
He speaks about the Biblical "sparing the rod" and makes references to the possiblity that the boys at Magolia are physically punished--but he is quick to say that no punishment at Magnolia crossed over into any type of "abuse."

YET:  the JUDGE does not give any real details about what goes on at Magnolia:  the education, the daily schedule, any type of therapy.   What is this "school" about anyway?
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2007, 11:47:10 AM »
sickening...
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2007, 08:29:58 PM »
My son graduated from High School in June (not a regular High School). He was hospitalized the first week in July resulting in an argument and literally holding us hostage treating to hurt someone if I called anyone for help. He left and I had him picked up by the police and taken to the hospital. He stayed for a week in the hopital and upon his discharge it was recommend that he not come home, but got directly to a Group home (A community residential rehabilitation service),where they help an individual develop the skills needed to live as independently as possible in the community. The home is staffed 24 hours. The home is for young adults 18 to 22 with persistent mental illness. The first two weeks at this home my son rebelled. He would come home and not return for group or life skills meetings, he left in the morning and returned late at night. The staff told us it is a voluntary program and if he is not cooperating with them he is going to get kicked out. Well, too make a long story short...He is now cooperating with them, but he need to find a job in order to pay his rent & food to stay there, or he will be kicked out. Now to my question...Does anyone out there have my problem?....Problem #1. My son dresses gothic. He sometimes has blue hair, black painted fingernails, 4 spiked bracelets on each arm, a spiked collar, a dog chain, wears all black, pierced gaged ears, tatoo and wears offensive T-shirts. Everytime he comes to vist he seems to have one more thing going on. Obliviously wants a reaction from us.
He recently went on vacation with us and I told him to leave the spikes at home, it's a family vacation. He didn't and brought them with him. I told him not to wear them when he goes out with us....but he did. We were going out to dinner one night and we gave him the choice to go with...but he said he had other plans. He wanted us to drive him to the boardwalk which was a 20 min. drive from where we were going to dinner. We were all hungry and we were all dressed to go out to dinner so we dropped him off at a bus stop to catch the bus to the boardwalk. He was furious, so he came back that night with a pierced tongue. I respect him being an individual. And if that's the way he wants to dress, then so be it. I only ask that he not dress offensivly in my home. He says this is who he is. He can't get a job because he turns in his application looking like that. He says it's not the interview, but he does not even get called for an interview. He just does not get it! Problem #2...He holds us hostage. When we were coming home from Utah we stopped at a store upon driving to the airport. We got into a argument over buying a video game.
We said we would purchase it when we returned home. He wanted it now, being he did not trust us that we would purchase it upon our arrival home. He refused to get into the car and said he was not getting on the plane to come back with us. Recently, upon driving home from our vacation, we stopped at some outlets. He then again refused to get in the van with us to come back home. He was mad at me because I was shopping with his sisters and not with him. I talked to him an hour in the parking lot while his sisters and dad sat in the van waiting to go home. I went in the store with him and purchase and item for him and he got into the van. Problem #3 - Wicca Religion - He bought a dozen books on the subject and is very determined to get our approval on this subject. I did some research on this topic. If it stays in the earthen domain, I don't have a problem with it if this is what makes him happy and a good person (like he says). But, it can also lead deeper into witchcraft, spells. Does anyone out there have simular problems?
I am ready to try a program and think about wasp or magnolia. I searched through some websites and found this site and antiwasp site and I think I might go with magnolia or one fo wasps american schools. I know theres bad stuff written about it but you cant trust kids these days.
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 08:43:59 PM »
[troll2]

They're everywhere today.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 08:51:34 PM »
why are you such an asshole? do you want this parent to go running off to ST or worse an edcon or just call up WWASPS? this is why this site has NO credibility whatsoever, you all treat parents like SHIT!
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 10:16:04 PM »
Call Judge Roybean.  He can FIX this kid.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 10:53:32 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
Judge Roybean.  


Sounds like the name of a candy bar.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007, 11:35:35 PM »
he does seem sort of sweet, doesn't he?
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« Reply #8 on: February 10, 2007, 02:04:38 AM »
One, I don't believe that parent exists--I believe it's a troll.

Hey, dumbass troll---if a kid has "graduated from high school" last June then he's a legal adult---which means a real parent couldn't pull that Program garbage on him.

If, hypothetically, such a parent really existed and wasn't a dumbass troll, then the question really is: What do you do with your grown up offspring who won't work, expects you to support him, shows no signs of moving out, and throws tantrums to get his way--including getting you to buy him stuff.

Read Martha Stout's "The Sociopath Next Door." One in twenty-five people has no conscience and can and will do anything at all to get what they want without the slightest twinge of remorse or regret.

The only difference, in that respect, between the serial killer, the sleazebag white-collar corrupt executive, the vindictive backstabbing bully, and the freeloading bum is what each subtype of no-conscience person wants.

The killer wants violence, the sleazy corporate exec wants money and power, the vindictive bully wants to take people he envies down a peg, and the freeloading bum wants to get by in life doing as little work as possible with other people doing as much of it for him as possible.

Sometimes, you can do everything right as a parent and still raise one of those one in twenty-five people who has no conscience. If you do a bunch wrong as a parent and your kid has the wrong genes, you can also end up with one of those one in twenty-five people who has no conscience being your adult offspring.

It sucks, but if it happens to you, you have to cope by putting that adult's problems back on him, not you.

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If that post was by a real parent and not a troll, we wouldn't be talking about a garden-variety pain in the butt teen, we would be talking about an adult freeloading bum.

What you do when your adult offspring is a freeloading bum who won't leave your house is you go through formal eviction proceedings (which is the only legal way to force someone out of your home if they have noplace else to go). Instead of sticking his stuff on the curb, you stick it in a U-store-it facility paid up for three months, you hand him the key, and you hand him $500 (or what you can afford). Then you tell him he's his own problem and isn't getting another dime from you.

You don't cut off social contact. You meet him every once in awhile for lunch at Micky-D's if he wants to get together. You also tell him that he gets no money, but that he gets as much advice as he chooses to ask for.

You tell him he's a grown up, and that while you love him, it's time for him to take responsibility for himself and live his own life.

Sure, a good-for-nothing bum is going to pull all kinds of emotional strings and throw out all kinds of recriminations, etc.

But if you raise an adult bum, then that's the only way you can really deal with it, and the sooner the better.

If he's one of those one in twenty-five with no conscience, then after he finds out you really mean it, he will probably cut you out of his life so he can tell new victims a fabricated sob story to sucker them into supporting him.

Programs won't fix a bum. If somebody has no conscience, there's nothing you can do to give him one.

Adults who aren't bums will, if set free (in a realistic way), cope on their own.

Unless they're genuinely disabled, in which case you go through Social Security and all that.

If my parents had turned me loose with $500, my clothes, and my stuff in a storage facility, I wouldn't have been on easy street, but I would have been able to cope without turning to prostitution or drugs or whatever.

There's nothing wrong with kicking an adult out of your house---there are, however, better and worse ways of doing it.

Julie
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« Reply #9 on: February 10, 2007, 12:33:07 PM »
That parent troll was lifted from the back pages of Struggling Teens, it's a real parent.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2007, 05:30:41 PM »
Kevin August has his Teenhelpus back on line, and this bootcamp type facility. Magnolia is his "featured" school.

Sickening.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2007, 06:44:37 PM »
First he argues the middle ground without actually finding one, and now he refers kids to abusive programs.


Wow.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2007, 07:23:30 PM »
Anyone else know who "Judge Roy Bean" is? Google.
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« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2007, 10:09:14 PM »
anyone know if they are refering kids to schools still?
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« Reply #14 on: March 13, 2007, 07:39:15 AM »
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One, I don't believe that parent exists--I believe it's a troll.

Hey, dumbass troll---if a kid has "graduated from high school" last June then he's a legal adult---which means a real parent couldn't pull that Program garbage on him.

If, hypothetically, such a parent really existed and wasn't a dumbass troll, then the question really is: What do you do with your grown up offspring who won't work, expects you to support him, shows no signs of moving out, and throws tantrums to get his way--including getting you to buy him stuff.

Read Martha Stout's "The Sociopath Next Door." One in twenty-five people has no conscience and can and will do anything at all to get what they want without the slightest twinge of remorse or regret.

The only difference, in that respect, between the serial killer, the sleazebag white-collar corrupt executive, the vindictive backstabbing bully, and the freeloading bum is what each subtype of no-conscience person wants.

The killer wants violence, the sleazy corporate exec wants money and power, the vindictive bully wants to take people he envies down a peg, and the freeloading bum wants to get by in life doing as little work as possible with other people doing as much of it for him as possible.

Sometimes, you can do everything right as a parent and still raise one of those one in twenty-five people who has no conscience. If you do a bunch wrong as a parent and your kid has the wrong genes, you can also end up with one of those one in twenty-five people who has no conscience being your adult offspring.

It sucks, but if it happens to you, you have to cope by putting that adult's problems back on him, not you.

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If that post was by a real parent and not a troll, we wouldn't be talking about a garden-variety pain in the butt teen, we would be talking about an adult freeloading bum.

What you do when your adult offspring is a freeloading bum who won't leave your house is you go through formal eviction proceedings (which is the only legal way to force someone out of your home if they have noplace else to go). Instead of sticking his stuff on the curb, you stick it in a U-store-it facility paid up for three months, you hand him the key, and you hand him $500 (or what you can afford). Then you tell him he's his own problem and isn't getting another dime from you.

You don't cut off social contact. You meet him every once in awhile for lunch at Micky-D's if he wants to get together. You also tell him that he gets no money, but that he gets as much advice as he chooses to ask for.

You tell him he's a grown up, and that while you love him, it's time for him to take responsibility for himself and live his own life.

Sure, a good-for-nothing bum is going to pull all kinds of emotional strings and throw out all kinds of recriminations, etc.

But if you raise an adult bum, then that's the only way you can really deal with it, and the sooner the better.

If he's one of those one in twenty-five with no conscience, then after he finds out you really mean it, he will probably cut you out of his life so he can tell new victims a fabricated sob story to sucker them into supporting him.

Programs won't fix a bum. If somebody has no conscience, there's nothing you can do to give him one.

Adults who aren't bums will, if set free (in a realistic way), cope on their own.

Unless they're genuinely disabled, in which case you go through Social Security and all that.

If my parents had turned me loose with $500, my clothes, and my stuff in a storage facility, I wouldn't have been on easy street, but I would have been able to cope without turning to prostitution or drugs or whatever.

There's nothing wrong with kicking an adult out of your house---there are, however, better and worse ways of doing it.

Julie


umm are you insane?. With the exception of one girl I know who was thrown out of her house by her abusive father the day she graduated highschool, I dont know ANY 17-18 year olds who are completely self supporting, including my freinds in foster care (foster care pays for college and helps pay for  housing)
I really dont think being a kid who was essentially thrown out of his house to live in a home for the mentally ill and has issues with his parents and wants them to buy him stuff- which from the description sounds like he would just like them to show that they value him  a bit makes him a  Evil "sociopath" or a horrible wothless bum.

NO offence but YOU sound like a sociopath- somone who cant "empathize with another- THAT'S the defiinition of a sociopath, lady

Congratulations on imaginarily overcoming great obstacles like being turned out of your house with 500 $s. Imaginarily, I have overcome great obstacles as well. However thats not what often happens when you face great obstacles in REALITY. One kid I know was in just that situation. He was in Mass inthe dead of WInter and homelsss, he crowded around some otehr homeless men in shanty where they had lit a fire to keep warm. He went out out for a minute the fire got out of control and he was the only one left alive. Hes headed for prison for the next 10 years. I was also thrown out and ended up being sexually exploited. What happens to you in your IMAGINATION is alot differnt than in REALITY, thats why daydreaming is so enjoyable

Obviously from the description this kid has  issues hes  - even if its just emotioanal damage from having abusive parents- and if he is  living in housing for the menatlly ill and their greatest concern is that going to practice wicca which migh lead to doing magic(- which umm...doesnt actually exist) and dresses werid sounds like they are abusive. They dont care about his emotional needs, just how he performs for them. He's just 17-18 and peple dont start treating their kid like that overnight. All 18 year olds that I know still need help and 18 year olds with issues need more!

Why not try being decent to a young person? Treating them the way youd hope to be treated yourelf? HAving compassion instead of hate?


Parent:
You probably shouldnt live togther casue that seems to be uncomfortable, but why not lease him an apartment for 6 months?
thats a very reasonable time allotment to be able to find a job and

become self supporting without being violated- and i consider throwing a kid onto the street violateding,
 as much as is having your boyfreind throw you onto the street- in factit might even be illegal in some states. It also saves him from being thrust into a dangerous situation.  Make some rule like he needs to start paying half the rent in 5 months or you dont renew the lease or soemthing along those lines. Try to get him a roomate Meanwhile mentor and nutrure him. Visit him and dont try to "cure" him just have fun with him. Try to guide him. If hes into goth bring him brochures for local colleges focusing music, arts, literature, web design. photography and things goth kids are into or whatever his interests are. Tell him you'd love to see him in college and be proud if he went to think about his future what he wants to see him self doing, that sort of thing. Be nice to him and try to help bring him a happy life.
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