Inside the head of a shithead parent

[TheWho]

They're SUPPOSED to notify the proper authorities and keep records of it anyway.

Yea, I know they are.  But we both know that if they can calm things down and get everyone to talk and appologize and no ambulance is needed, then no paper work is generated and no phone calls made...

[Anonymous]

No paperwork generated?

Bullshit.

Paperwork is generated every single time there's a restraint of any kind in the public sector.

I strongly recommend everyone read Bernard Chapin's "Escape from Gangsta Island" to see how real, non-sadistic people deal with dangerous kids.

[RobertBruce]

Sure they do , this everywhere, Bob, the school district doesnt want to be sued either

Show me a recent example of an attempt to cover up the death of a student by a public school board.

But we need to go by what the judge says, that is one standard that applies to both the public sector and TBS. Why do you think, out of all the professionals are done that you can come up and change the ruling because of what you feel is right.

The professionals? Len Buccelato is a professional, Sue Scheff is a professional, the M.E who claimed that the kid who was beat to death died of sickle cell was a professional. Being a professional doesnt always mean anything. As for the judges, they cannot rule on what they do not know. Thats what you are refusing to accept. These places cover these deaths up as best they can and very few are ever brought to justice. Youre acting as if the schools are behaving properly whenever one of these "accidents" occurs, notifying the proper authorities  and a judge is looking at the situation and saying "Well boys will be boys." No Cindy they're covering it up as best they can. More and more you expose just how naive you are. What's more you claim you're applying the same standard to both the public and private sector yet you have no way of knowing if that standard has been applied to the public sector.

Like adding that little girl who traveled to someones home to get therapy and you wanted to add her to the list of kids killed in TBS's. If you truly believe you are right by doing this it really amazes me. of course her death is important....

Not to you it isnt. If it was you would include it, but unfortunatly for her she throws off your agenda so out she goes. The fact of the matter is that this girls parents paid 7000.00 for their daughter to be placed in a lock down facility with a theraputic component. Not as you are trying to paint it, something along the lines of she dropped by her friends house who happened to be a therapist and there was a terrible accident. Just another example of you trying to spin things to suit your own agenda.

I dont think you undertand what parameters mean, you keep trying to add all this stuff that doesnt even apply

I'm not but even if I was it wouldnt be all that different than you suddenly wanting to switch from "school safety" to "public sector safety" or suddenly insisting that a homicide conviction was neccesary to count a private theraputic sector death (something you still havent provided for the deaths in public schools). I asked you what the parameters were and you stated homicides and suicides between June of 99 to July of 2000, you mentioned nothing about only TBS's. Then when you found out there were a number deaths in wilderness, group homes, institutes et cet you suddenly changed the parameters....again. Like I said Cindy you're a child who's upset you arent getting your way. Nothing more.

[RobertBruce]

well thats true, I am sure the parents arent ging to call DSS everytime they accidently break their kids arm and the TBS are not going to call the police in every event and the public school sector also if they can calm things down. So it would be tough to get their arms around some honest data.

Why shouldnt they? If they were truly concerned about the kids safety they would. You claim to run a factory of some sort, if one of your workers were seriously injured on the job wouldnt you report it to the proper authorities? Union officials? OSHA? You would if you wanted to be operating properly.

Speaking of which I notice you still havent answered my question regarding what would happen to you if you had a child in your care and they died in the same manner as these kids have died.

Also Im still waiting on you to tell me if the kids werent murdered how did they die?

[RobertBruce]

Yea, I know they are. But we both know that if they can calm things down and get everyone to talk and appologize and no ambulance is needed, then no paper work is generated and no phone calls made...

and youre okay with this? Wow. I stand corrected Cindy, its not that youre naive, youre just a sadistic fuck.

Youre rationale seems to be, "if you can get away with it, its fine." No wonder you bought into the TBS industry so quickly and so whole heartedly. That's practically their creedo.

No wonder your daughter hates you.

[RobertBruce]

The ironic thing in all this is that prior to Cindy trying to change all the parameters around to suit his agenda, the original discussion was a comparrison between public school safety and TBS safety.

Despite his finageling all Cindy has done in the end is reinforce that TBS's are not safe. Not only has he proven that a kid is more likely to kill himself in a TBS than in the public sector or a public school, but the kid is much more likely to suffer a fatal accident at the hand of school officals than in a public school.

Thanks again Cindy.

 

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Good.  Are we done yet?

[RobertBruce]

Doubtful, he cares about winning far to much, and hes much to big of a cry baby to ever just let it go. On the other hand the last time he was owned like this he disappeared for six months claiming something about going to russia or some other shit hole. Maybe we'll get lucky again.

[Anonymous]

Doubtful, he cares about winning far to much, and hes much to big of a cry baby to ever just let it go. On the other hand the last time he was owned like this he disappeared for six months claiming something about going to russia or some other shit hole. Maybe we'll get lucky again.

Naaah. Aspen's PR department is in full swing this time around.

[Anonymous]

TheWho gets paid by the word. Isn't that obvious?

[Anonymous]

He's totally ripping off his employers then.

[TheWho]

Candace Newmaker age 10

4/18/2000

Evergreen

Ha,Ha,Ha,...Who's your daddy now?  (no pun intended) Okay, Bob, then explain to all of us how Candace Newmaker fits into our dataset?

Remember, we are talking about Therapuetic boarding schools.

Here is a link to help in your research:

http://tinyurl.com/2ksh58

[RobertBruce]

Ha,Ha,Ha,...Who's your daddy now? (no pun intended) Okay, Bob, then explain to all of us how Candace Newmaker fits into our dataset?

Ummmmm....Cindy we've been over this. Several times in fact. Does being owned affect your short term memory? Or maybe just your reading comprehension skills? I guess I just need to be patient with you, and you need to try harder.

Here's something to help you remember:

Not to you it isnt. If it was you would include it, but unfortunatly for her she throws off your agenda so out she goes. The fact of the matter is that this girls parents paid 7000.00 for their daughter to be placed in a lock down facility with a theraputic component. Not as you are trying to paint it, something along the lines of she dropped by her friends house who happened to be a therapist and there was a terrible accident. Just another example of you trying to spin things to suit your own agenda.

Private Theraputic Sector call it whatever you want, spin it however you want, it changes nothing. That's what it was in the end.

Remember, we are talking about Therapuetic boarding schools.

No you're talking about strickly TBS's, the rest of us are talking about the Private Theraputic Sector, specifically as it relates to teens. This includes wilderness programs, group homes, psychological institutes, teen hospitals, et cet. They all count because that's where the 30,000 come from. There aren't 30,000 kids in strickly TBS's as you define the term. Bear in mind the only reason you want to exclude those kids is because it proves our point. In the same way you after discovering how low the probability was  for deaths occuring in public school suddenly felt deaths occuring outside of school were somehow pertinant to school safety and those two seperate statistics should be lumped together. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you want to exclude things because it goes against your agenda. As I said yesterday Cindy, tough shit for you. I asked you what the parameters were and you mentioned nothing about strickly TBS's. You don't get to change things now simply because it isnt going your way, you need to stop being such an ankle biter. Grow up.

Here is a link to help in your research:

Yes I saw this link yesterday. As was discussed you need to find sources with a slightly higher level of credibility than wikipedia. As it stands however there is nothing in that link that somehow suggest her death occured in anything but the private theraputic sector.

Still no way around it Cindy.

[TheWho]

Bob wrote:No you're talking about strickly TBS's,  the rest of us are talking about the Private Theraputic Sector, specifically as it relates to teens. This includes wilderness programs, group homes, psychological institutes, teen hospitals, et cet...........




Thank you,Bob,  for finally clearing up your position.  Yes, I am talking about TBS?s only,  and that is what my data applies to, and for parents interested in TBS's this would apply.

So let me conclude and you can add any data that you think applies and/or we can start to look at wilderness programs next:

 Here take a look again:

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)

We have this data:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  
School aged children

Outside a TBS:
There where 2,140 Homicides and 1,928 suicides
Inside a TBS
There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.[/quote]