Inside the head of a shithead parent

[TheWho]

Ha,Ha,Ha,  Great bob -- but look at the criteria, if they fit add them.  The ones you listed do not.......  you are funny.  It is so easy...Homicide is defined and so is Suicide.  You can say 100 kids died as a result of Homicides but at some point y0u need to produce the evidence.  Niles sees it... why cant you.

Its embarrassing, its like being at the store and you walk up to the counter and the guy says it comes to $5.00 and you keep throwing a buck on the counter.  and this continues over and over.  Its really simple, just look at the parameters.......

Here take a look again:

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)

We have this data:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000  
School aged children

Outside a TBS:
There where 2,140 Homicides and 1,928 suicides
Inside a TBS
There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.

So?

Programs should have trained experts to prevent stuff from happening, yet the suicide rate sure is higher in a TBS than the TEEN SUICIDE RATE, PERIOD. Not in school, the TEEN suicide rate, period, for all teens.

Oh well.

If some one is hell bent on taking their life, it is going to happen.  24 hour suicide watch isnt even 100% effective, our penal system tells us that.  What we hope the TBS does is help some of these kids with therapy to help prevent/reduce these events and get them on a new track.

[RobertBruce]

Ha,Ha,Ha, Great bob -- but look at the criteria, if they fit add them. The ones you listed do not....... you are funny. It is so easy...Homicide is defined and so is Suicide. You can say 100 kids died as a result of Homicides but at some point y0u need to produce the evidence. Niles sees it... why cant you.

Niles sees that they should be listed and charged as homicides. I agree, you however never declared in your parameters that there needed to be charges filed. You've never answered the question. If these kids werent murdered how did they die?

Its embarrassing, its like being at the store and you walk up to the counter and the guy says it comes to $5.00 and you keep throwing a buck on the counter. and this continues over and over. Its really simple, just look at the parameters.......

It's funny because at the same time you're like a kid playing a game who constantly has to change the rules to ensure victory. All the while insisting that certian rules only apply at certain times to certain people. Namely when its convienent for you. Just like an eight year old, I told you were turning this into somethig with winning and losing. Yet despite your best efforts at cheating, youre still losing.

Here take a look again:

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)

We have this data:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000
School aged children

Outside a TBS:
There where 2,140 Homicides and 1,928 suicides
Inside a TBS
There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.

Cindy you were already told not to use the word "we", its just you and you alone. Try and pay attention.

Here's what "we" have:

Out of 52,000,000 public school kids 16 were killed in school

Translating to 1 out of every 3,250,000 kids being killed.

Out of those 52,000,000 6 committed suicide while in school.

Translating to 1 out of 8,666,667 kids killing themselves.

Of those same 52,000,000 kids 2140 were killed outside of school.

Translating to 1 out of every 24,300 kids being killed.

Of those same 52,000,000 public school kids 1928 kids committed suicide outside of school.

Translating to roughly 1 out of every 27,000 kids committing suicide.

Out of 30,000 kids in the private theraputic sector so far we have 7 who were killed by staff members.

Translating to 1 out of every 4,286 kids being murdered by staff.

Of those same 30,000 kids 2 committed suicide.

Translating to 1 out of every 15,000 committing suicide.

That's what we have right now Cindy. You can have whatever you like, just understand no one else is buying it and youre dead wrong.

[TheWho]

You've never answered the question. If these kids werent murdered how did they die?

easy answer, Bob.... do what the NCES does look at the court ruling.  If it is a homicide add it to the list if it isnt dont add it. We pay these people to protect us and make these classifications for us so we can have a level playing field.  It blows me away that you dont know this.

[teachback]

Seriously, the two of you should give it a rest for a while or just pm each other... this is getting old..

[RobertBruce]

Maybe not many, how many gang related deaths occur at a TBS?

No clue. Why don't you look into that?

I'll tell you what, since you're too stupid to see the truth for what it is, and you've already stated you arent interested in learning the truth, I'll meet you half way.

I will concede that a kid is more likely to die as a result of a homicide (a death which fits the legal definition of a homicide and results in a conviction of some degree of murder) in a public school or a public setting then he is in a TBS or private sector theraputic enviroment. If you will concede that a kid is more likely to kill himself in a TBS or private theraputic enviroment and is more likely to die from an "accidental death" at the hands of the staff members, then he is at a public school.

Do we have an understanding?

[RobertBruce]

easy answer, Bob.... do what the NCES does look at the court ruling. If it is a homicide add it to the list if it isnt dont add it. We pay these people to protect us and make these classifications for us so we can have a level playing field. It blows me away that you dont know this.

Oh but I do Cindy, I went to college and everything. What I'm saying is that these places do commit homicides, they just arent classified as such because they regulate themselves, and I'm still looking for you to tell me if these kids werent murdered how did they die? Also if you had a child in your care and they died in a similar manner would you be charged with anything.

Before you dodge that answer though take a look at my last post. This is going around in circles and youre too stupid to ever get it.

[Nihilanthic]

Two suicides vs over a thousand, until I bring in sample size, then its "well if they are hell bent on taking thier life nothing can stop them"

[troll5]

[TheWho]

Maybe not many, how many gang related deaths occur at a TBS?

No clue. Why don't you look into that?

I'll tell you what, since you're too stupid to see the truth for what it is, and you've already stated you arent interested in learning the truth, I'll meet you half way.

I will concede that a kid is more likely to die as a result of a homicide (a death which fits the legal definition of a homicide and results in a conviction of some degree of murder) in a public school or a public setting then he is in a TBS or private sector theraputic enviroment. If you will concede that a kid is more likely to kill himself in a TBS or private theraputic enviroment and is more likely to die from an "accidental death" at the hands of the staff members, then he is at a public school.

Do we have an understanding?

I could see that as probable outcome.   Public schools and the kids homes dont have staff members so the rate would be higher at a TBS.

[Nihilanthic]

So you say staff members are why the rate is higher?

 :rofl:

[teachback]

Two suicides vs over a thousand, until I bring in sample size, then its "well if they are hell bent on taking thier life nothing can stop them"

[troll5]

Sometimes I wonder if TheWho's primary function is to act as a decoy to try to 'keep us busy' or something, because he sure seems to be doing a good job of it..

[TheWho]

I went to college and everything... Ha,Ha,  great line.  I didnt mean to ding you, I was serious, I thought you knew this stuff.  All the data is already categorized for us we cant just change it around because we feel this one or that one is a homicide and change the judges decision because we feel like it,  The NCES doesnt do that.

[Nihilanthic]

I went to college and everything... Ha,Ha,  great line.  I didnt mean to ding you, I was serious, I thought you knew this stuff.  All the data is already categorized for us we cant just change it around because we feel this one or that one is a homicide and change the judges decision because we feel like it,  The NCES doesnt do that.

So says YOU??

Wow, who needs context when you have spin!

[TheWho]

So you say staff members are why the rate is higher?

 :rofl:

I am saying if we compared kids being killed by staff members in the public sector vs in a TBS.  The TBS may be higher becasue kids are not exposed to staff members in the public sector.  In  TBS's they are exposed to them day and night so the probability would be higher, in my opinion.

Like the chances of getting bite by a dog is higher if you work at a dog pound.

[Nihilanthic]

I thought this was safety of a kid in a program vs out of a program.

Now you go and split hairs and try to change what the debate is about?

Riiiiight.

[TheWho]

I thought this was safety of a kid in a program vs out of a program.

Now you go and split hairs and try to change what the debate is about?

Riiiiight.

Not sure what you mean,  thats what the data is for.  We cant base this on my opinion