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« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2007, 01:55:31 AM »
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?


Why aren't they in there?  I dunno.  Lack of oil perhaps?  Defense industry opportunities?

Oh yeah... sure...  Completely non violent.  With the marines.  Sure.  News flash:  Marines are trained to kill...  If somebody in a position of authority wanted the place shut down they would use the legal system, not the military.

Non violent is always a better way to go.  It is preferable to violence.  One of these days, however, somebody with nothing to lose is going to attempt to take violent action against these programs (out of frustration if nothing else).  It won't be me.  But it will happen eventually.

When the legal system supports/permits wrongdoing, the only way to do right is to circumvent/fight the system.  We don't exactly live in a pure democracy, we live under a representative democracy... and those representatives are vulnerable to corruption (see K street).  If laws were truly made by the people, I might be of a different opinion, but as it is, policy is dictated by the highest bidder.  Under what premise are such policies/legislation deserving of my respect or obedience?

So yes.  I support any action to take down programs, legal or not.  Preferably, non violent (or at least not lethal).

Edit:  I should note that legal options should always be the first resort.  However, in dire circumstances, when legal options fail...
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« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2007, 02:33:38 AM »
C'est fantastique que cette industrie vile devient assez renommée que les gens dans Europe le condamnent. La pression internationale est toujours une bonne chose quand quelque chose immoral est fait parce qu'il alerte le local à ce que va sur.

For those who feel i am being a pretentious ass. Guilty as charged but here is the translation with a little added

it is fantastic that this vile industry is becoming well known enough that people in europe are condemning it. International pressure is always a good thing when something immoral is being done because it alerts the locals to what is going on. the french guy may have used somewhat revolutionary language but at least it protrayed the feelings of disgust that most people with a heart feel when they read about this.
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« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2007, 10:19:05 AM »
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I know better than to fuck around with the anti terror laws and end up with no habeas corpus rights and in GITMO, Psy.

I also don't want to drag ginger into anything like that.

If you wanna hang your balls out like that, more power to you. But the farthest I will support publically is going to be civil disobedience, and I'd rather do it right, without breaking any laws, and without potentially fucking up and giving them ammo to use against us.

Overlordd got slapped with THUH LAW over this shit, but he had some help. I don't have ANY except for what the lovely men and women of fornits might offer to me... so unless a lot of rich lurkers feel like stepping up to the plate, uh, wtf do you expect me to say?

Doing nothing is better than majorly fucking up publically, Psy. We have ONE chance to get this into the news without it turning into a propaganda victory for these fuckwads.

If you wanna do it, DO IT RIGHT. Go work for a program and report them for shit you see personally, or stage a legal protest.

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« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2007, 10:51:28 AM »
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For those who feel i am being a pretentious ass. Guilty as charged  

:roll: Don't let it happen again.  :evil:
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« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2007, 11:12:56 AM »
You know that quote that goes something like.. "all it takes for evil to persist is for good men to do nothing"..

Well think of it like this. All the parents of these kids have to do, is DO NOTHING. Stop paying thousands of dollars per month to child abusers, plain and simple. IN this case, that quote is wrong, all it takes for evil to END is for these parents to withhold their money.

Simple.. right?

If someone really wanted to do some militant action, go steal the parent list, and then go in person to each parents house and hand them a copy of the TB documentary and don't leave until they watch every second of it.

It's not like TB is some foreign terrorist government, they are just an outsource of the American middle class.

Do we go shut down the manufacturers of porn DVD in CHina if we want to pass a law against porn? No, they are just the saps fulfilling the order. Just like the US war on drugs, we go after the supplier never realizing that the US is the #1 consumer. IF the demand were not there it would not exist. Poof, it's gone. Just like that!
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« Reply #35 on: January 20, 2007, 11:15:22 AM »
If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.

So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?

The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.

They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.

Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2007, 11:28:30 AM »
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If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.

So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?

The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.

They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.

Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.

I hear you and I'm with you 100% on this, but please elaborate on your 4th sentence.. are you talking about what happens whern you are actually in a program? If so, then i understand perfectly.
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« Reply #37 on: January 20, 2007, 11:47:51 AM »
More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?

But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.
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« Reply #38 on: January 20, 2007, 12:15:44 PM »
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More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?

But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.

"all-inclusive devils" Don't get....

Hey, let's just make it simple and bomb Jamaica! :idea:

Sure some innocents would die; war's a bitch.  ::both::  :skull:  :skull:  :skull:  :skull:  :tup:
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« Reply #39 on: January 20, 2007, 01:02:39 PM »
Holy sheep shit! Fornits have the power to unite the French and Germans!
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« Reply #40 on: January 20, 2007, 01:06:23 PM »
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If you hire someone to kill someone for you, you are the one charged with first degree murder.

So why aren't these parents charged with child abuse?

The day the parents start getting charged with child abuse, and this huge fraud of an argument "ignorance" is abolished, that's when things will start to change.

They beat us into submission to take "accountability" for our actions.

Fucking hypocritical bastard motherfuckers.
I hear you and I'm with you 100% on this, but please elaborate on your 4th sentence.. are you talking about what happens whern you are actually in a program? If so, then i understand perfectly.


Yeah thats exactly what I was trying to say.. with the seminars/raps/workseets/prophets/group its all about forcing the kid to blame themselves 100% for where they are. I think thats why parents like programs so much, because they get someone else to brainwash their kid that even though their parent beat them, or let uncle johnny rape them , it's all there fault. It's a fucked up thing to be beating into people's heads.. that they deserve abuse for whatever reason. Nobody does! And in WWASPS one of the seminars is actually called acountability (or used to be).. something parents and program people know absolutely nothing about.
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« Reply #41 on: January 20, 2007, 04:55:25 PM »
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More bad news. Not only will the locals not go apeshit, they actually shut down their own Treasure Beach News forum when discussion of the place broke out there. See, it's bad for tourism from the ex-pat point of view. As I recall, they actually liked Ken Kay better than the all-inclusive devils. And the natives, having come up in relatively lawless abject poverty, don't really see what all the gus mus is about a bunch of rich white devils getting some discipline. So what, right?

But who knows? Everybody loves a brawl and a riot and ya just never know what can happen when a crowd turns into a mob and starts acting on instinct.


Well, thanks for making it easier on me to see collateral damage and 'unfortunate' civilian deaths occur.

Nothing like this of all topics to make you even harder and more bitter, huh?

Hell, sometimes when I think, I wonder just HOW fucked up they are, and if it would be a favor to them to end their lives along with everyone else... would certainly make it a lot simpler to simply attack a target instead of get hostages out first and secure the area, and then there is the whole issue of being pursued!

In the end, I think its a good thing for their sake I lack both the means and the will to carry out such a 'filibuster' on foreign land. Give me too much power with all of this weighing down on my mind and pretty soon Jamaica will be under new management.  :lol:

Or maybe some agent provocateur action to make the mob go after the Mormons and the Uncle Tom's instead of the kids when the shit goes down? Hrm... choices, choices!

AND CONSEQUENCES!   :em:
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« Reply #42 on: January 20, 2007, 06:25:17 PM »
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Give me too much power with all of this weighing down on my mind and pretty soon Jamaica will be under new management.


Annuit fucking Coeptis.
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« Reply #43 on: January 20, 2007, 06:32:40 PM »
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Annuit fucking Coeptis.

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« Reply #44 on: January 20, 2007, 08:16:12 PM »
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Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?

Why aren't they in there?  I dunno.  Lack of oil perhaps?  Defense industry opportunities?

Oh yeah... sure...  Completely non violent.  With the marines.  Sure.  News flash:  Marines are trained to kill...  


Yo, Moto, everyone knows the Marines are trained to kill you stuffed pea-brain. That's why it would be bloodless.
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