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[Anonymous]

Babelfish:

   
Love despaired to parents: We of the proud citizens of Germany desire to expand our most good-natured greetings. Here in Germany we progressed on of our common concentration camp roots. We no longer gases that undesirables. Instead of we preach for that must form children in like mind. For this we wiedergeeinsetzt the Hilter youth program. For very inexpensive the whole children of Germany in are formed, as body considered. I wish only that we could offer poor backwards Americans the same hand in friendship to you, so that your children would not know that through-live hell on lives with a Kolostomiensack. Thank you, Captain Mark of DeMarc

[psy]

Niles.  You know freeing slaves was illegal, yet the Underground Railroad existed.  Hiding Jews in WWII Germany was illegal.  DO the right thing, regardless of the consequences, you'll feel better about yourself.

In this case, the legal system has been completely exhausted...  Meanwhile, the kids are suffering.  Screw the legality of the thing, storm the place, and the evidence collected in the aftermath will be your vindication.  Even if you do time for it...  isn't the prevented suffering worth it?

I wish, i really wish, there were programs in the Northern VA / DC area.

Unlike you.  I DO condone any action ending the existence of such facilities.  Unlike you, i am unafraid to say it publicly.  I don't give a good god damn about "terror", or any other legislation.  I do what I believe is right.

You assist an evil system most effectively by obeying its orders and decrees. An evil system never deserves such allegiance. Allegiance to it means partaking of the evil. A good person will resist an evil system with his or her whole soul.

I know better than to fuck around with the anti terror laws and end up with no habeas corpus rights and in GITMO, Psy.

I also don't want to drag ginger into anything like that.

If you wanna hang your balls out like that, more power to you. But the farthest I will support publically is going to be civil disobedience, and I'd rather do it right, without breaking any laws, and without potentially fucking up and giving them ammo to use against us.

Overlordd got slapped with THUH LAW over this shit, but he had some help. I don't have ANY except for what the lovely men and women of fornits might offer to me... so unless a lot of rich lurkers feel like stepping up to the plate, uh, wtf do you expect me to say?

Doing nothing is better than majorly fucking up publically, Psy. We have ONE chance to get this into the news without it turning into a propaganda victory for these fuckwads.

I would argue, that with TB, and many other places, doing anything is better than doing nothing.  Any and all publicity to bring such places into the spotlight is a good thing.  I am sorry but i aggree with frenchie.  Storm the place and let the feds sort it out.  I'm not saying to kill anybody.  I'm just saying (like frenchie) to storm the place and set the kids loose.

And as far as anti-terrorism legislation goes, you have nothing at all to fear if you aren't Muslim. (at the moment at least)  Sad but true.  Also, TB isn't on US soil.

Go listen to some Dead Prez.  They openly talk about, and endorse, assassinations of public leaders and overthrowing the US government.  They aren't in jail.  It's protected speech.  Know your rights.

Also.  Ginger is not legally liable for anything people say on this board.  Period.

If you wanna do it, DO IT RIGHT. Go work for a program and report them for shit you see personally, or stage a legal protest.

And what would a legal protest do?  Annoy them mildly?  Pfft.  And how can civil disobedience be used in this situation?

Fucking hell.  Invite the media to the party.  Have them interview the kids before anybody else gets a chance to.  While you're breaking the kids out, loot the file-cabinet and hand the information to the press (telling them to make copies quickly).  Then watch the media shitstorm...  Those kids are visably mistreated (bruised, malnourished, etc...).  It's a photo-journalist's dream.

Let Ken Kay prosecute after that...  He wont.  I'll tell you why.  Because he can deny any knowledge of what was going on at TB and save his reputation (and the rest of his schools).  He can blame it all on the local administration who "betrayed his trust".  He's done it before.  Did you see the Montana PBS documentary?

And see what the parents say when they see their kids like that.  See how many lawsuits, criminal prosecutions, etc. stack up after that.

[Nihilanthic]

Ok, then just tell me one thing.

How do we circumvent the following?

• Armed Guards
• Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy
• Foreign Media...
• Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.

[try another castle]

Ok, then just tell me one thing.

How do we circumvent the following?

• Armed Guards
• Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy
• Foreign Media...
• Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.

clowns... with bananas and pies

[Nihilanthic]

And clowns have means of transportation to Jamaica how, exactly?

[psy]

Armed Guards

Armed most likely with less than lethal weaponry (ie. tazers etc.).  They are most likely untrained (at best rent-a-cops) and would be easily subdued (especially if the "attackers" were also armed with less than lethal weaponry).  Superior numbers (as frenchie mentioned) is also desirable to overpower them.

Foreign Soil... and an unfriendly embassy

I grew up overseas.  My dad works for the US Dept of State.  

Foreign soil?  Americans overseas are subject to local law (unless they have diplomatic status).  I don't see the issue here.

The embassy?  They have no authority over the matter (though the counselor officer and/or duty officer would be in for a hell of a day dealing with the passports, etc.)  They can offer assistance to people in danger of imprisonment, but otherwise their hands are tied.  The US Dept of state, AFAIK, has issued warnings against these schools, and Embassies are usually made up of very liberal personnel.

Foreign Media...

What problem specifically?

Last but not least, the money to fucking get there in the first place.

That is the problem for whoever decides to do such a thing.  All it would take is a few hundred dollars (per person) for the ticket and supplies.

[try another castle]

And clowns have means of transportation to Jamaica how, exactly?

Their little car, silly! Do you have any idea how many people you can fit into one of those things?

[Nihilanthic]

Psy, I was told they were AKs.

This is Jamaica, NOT the fucking states, AK's go for like a few cigarettes and a live chicken.

[try another castle]

what about a rubber chicken?

[psy]

Psy, I was told they were AKs.

This is Jamaica, NOT the fucking states, AK's go for like a few cigarettes and a live chicken.

If they are armed with AKs.... That changes everything.

In that case... Although I would not endorse sniping the guards off from a distance... should that hypothetically happen, I would laugh.

A person wanting to liberate TB under those conditions would have to be willing to kill the guards, and most likely suffer the legal consequences of such action.

I wouldn't do it.  But i could see somebody with nothing to lose doing it.  Such a person, in my book, would be a hero.  What?  You expect sympathy for the guards from me?  Not fucking likely.

In this case, I would think it would be much easier to do what you suggested and infiltrate the place as an employee, exposing them from within.

[Nihilanthic]

You or I can not infiltrate T-B. Only a jamaican, or a white guy who has WWASPS ties could.

So, that would be a long term "mole mission" or finding some rasta.

You or I could go to work for a two-bit program, easily, sure, but I'd be shocked ifI could get hired for WWASPS and them not find out who I am  :rofl: if they're that stupid or inept then they deserve to get turned inside out but oh well.

But yeah, someone with nothing to lose would gain everything by doing this... how long they would survive is up for debate though.

[Anonymous]

TB would not exist if these kids parents were not paying to keep the place open. You want these places shut down, talk to the parents because there will always be some piece of shit out there willing to sell private prison space for yuppie's teens.

[try another castle]

Liebe Verzweifelte Eltern:

Wir von den stolzen Bürgern von Deutschland Wunsch, unsere gütigsten Grüße auszudehnen. Hier in Deutschland sind wir auf von unseren gemeinen Konzentrationslagernwurzeln fortgeschritten. Wir keine längeren Gase der undesirables. Anstatt wir predigen für das muss formen Kinder in Ein wie Gemüt. Für dieses haben wir das Hilter Jugend Programm wiedergeeinsetzt. Für ein sehr preiswert die ganzen Kinder von Deutschland werden in Ein geformt, wie Körper bedacht hat. Ich wünsche nur, dass wir Ihnen arme rückwärts Amerikaner die gleiche Hand in Freundschaft anbieten könnten, damit Ihre Kinder nicht kennen würden, dass die Hölle durchleben von Leben mit einem Kolostomiensack.

Vielen Dank,

Kapitän Mark DeMarc

http://www.catsthatlooklikehitler.com/

[Anonymous]

Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?

[Anonymous]

Look, I understand the passion, I really do. But please, peaceful and non-violent is always a better way to go. I would also like to ask, why isn't the U.S. Army over there liberating U.S. children from torture? Isn't that their job? Or is that a Marines thing? Where's the Marines? If the U.S. Marines marched up, it would be completely non-violent. Who are the Marines so busy protecting these days they can't protect U.S. children?

Wassup with OverLordd? Did Sue Scheff sue him or something?