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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2007, 11:32:15 AM »
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What we did was get born in a country that does not recognize the humanity of youth but rather considers us property of mom and dad who therefore are entitled to hand over their "property" to a new owner, like a cow,  where it will be kept prisoner until it turns 18 and PRESTO becomes a human.

What you are asking cannot be answered becasue we were not sent away for what we "did" but becasue our parents wanted to do so.
To understand that requires a pyschological inquest into our parents, and a sociological and cultural overview of our economic class, country, and policing policies.

What we :did" is not "why our parents sent us away. For example my dad wanted to send me to some facility where i could be taught to "tie my shoelaces and make my bed". I have a 150 IQ and am quite capable of doing both though perhaps when I felt like it -I did neither.
At the same time, my dad wanted to have a live in girlfreind in addition to my mother to whom he was still married- he thought they should all sleep in the same bed. He justified this desire by saying he needed a woman who he could get pregnant and therefore not have an "insane" child- me. I would pretend to be the mother of the new child and my mother would pretend to be grandmother

See the difference between "what we did"...and "why we are sent away"?

I know you dont mean to be simple......

Okay yes I understand the semantic argument but I think I worded it correctly in this quote.

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I am curious to hear from the program survivor perspective as well as program parents what it was they feel led up to their (kid) being sent to a program.


But yeah, I didnt mean to say 'what you did' in an accusatory way, not at all. So if anyone feels that way please ignore it, and if you want answer the question. I did this out of curiosity, to learn more about what lead up to placement. I know some kids didnt' 'do anything' , but something must of been going on at home for it to happen, even if only perceived by parents who were wrong. You are right I didnt intend this to be an easy question to answer.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2007, 04:51:12 PM »
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What you are asking cannot be answered becasue we were not sent away for what we "did" but becasue our parents wanted to do so.


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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2007, 05:00:19 PM »
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But yeah, I didnt mean to say 'what you did' in an accusatory way, not at all. So if anyone feels that way please ignore it, and if you want answer the question.


Course. But still, nice angle shot from guest. That really is the bottom line, always. I could sum up my strange story just by saying that my mom had been in this cult for almost a decade already and there was just no way I was going to avoid it, except to dissapear from around `79 till `83. Tried, failed, tried again, failed again, eventually came of age and picked up more or less where I had left off.
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2007, 05:07:37 PM »
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Quote from: ""Guest420""
But yeah, I didnt mean to say 'what you did' in an accusatory way, not at all. So if anyone feels that way please ignore it, and if you want answer the question.

Course. But still, nice angle shot from guest. That really is the bottom line, always. I could sum up my strange story just by saying that my mom had been in this cult for almost a decade already and there was just no way I was going to avoid it, except to dissapear from around `79 till `83. Tried, failed, tried again, failed again, eventually came of age and picked up more or less where I had left off.

Right on!

PS- can we just ignore THeWho for a little while, please? He'll be around; could we just give it a rest for a bit....? Thanks...
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2007, 08:01:12 PM »
Welcome to the Camp,
I guess you all know why we're here.
My name is Tommy
and I became aware this year

If you want to follow me,
you've got to play pinball.
And put in your earplugs
put on your eyeshades
you know where to put the cork

Hey you getting drunk, so sorry!
I've got you sussed.
Hey you smoking Mother Nature!
This is a bust!
Hey hung up old Mr. Normal,
Don't try to gain my trust!
'Cause you ain't gonna follow me any of those ways
Although you think you must

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take it
Gonna break it, gonna shake it,
let's forget it better still

Now you can't hear me,
your ears are truly sealed.
You can't speak either,
your mouth is filled.
You can't see nothing,
and pinball completes the scene.
Here comes Uncle Ernie to guide you to
Your very own machine.

We're not gonna take it
Never did and never will
Don't want no religion
And as far as we can tell
We ain't gonna take you
Never did and never will
We're not gonna take you
We forsake you
Gonna rape you
Let's forget you better still.
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« Reply #20 on: January 13, 2007, 02:52:42 AM »
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PS- can we just ignore THeWho for a little while, please? He'll be around; could we just give it a rest for a bit....? Thanks...


The what? The who, you say?

Man, where ya been! I've been ignoring him for awhile now. I have to say it works pretty well for me. Had a nice long walk with the dog, hung out w/ some neighbors, found an unexpected candidate for The Best Fornits Troll EverĀ® Life's good.
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« Reply #21 on: January 13, 2007, 07:12:08 PM »
I never went to a program, but what strikes me is the strong stand the parents took on the issues. My parents trusted me and never went off the deep end. They over reacted sometimes, but not to the point of a program.

I ran away from home once and they called the police. I came back on my own. My Mom met me at the door and asked what my story was. I actually said, "I lost track of time?" "Right," she replied. "You'd better do better than that because your Dad is really mad."

I walked upstairs to my room and my Dad came out of the bathroom in the upstairs hall. He looked right at me. His expression changed. He walked right by me and said nothing. The expression said it all. He was furious, scared, and relieved, all at the same time. That expression said, "I love you." I felt so bad about that, I never ran again. My running was never discussed. I was never punished.

I got caught shoplifting when I was 11. One of the kids involved was bragging about his exploits in school and we all got caught. There were probably five or six of us involved. The principal confronted us, one at a time. We all confessed. My Dad had to take me to the store to apologize. I did. I returned the undamaged, unopened merchandise. I never wanted the thing. I only did it because my friends were calling me a chicken. I was banned from the store.

I smoked and used drugs occasionally. When caught, these were confiscated and destroyed. I would get lectured about the dangers of drugs, alcohol and tobacco. I got caught with pot by my 6th grade teacher. He gave the choice between the police or the Boy Scouts. I liked the Scouts. I was only a Scout for a year. I stopped going when the rumor came around that the bigger boys were giving the younger boys swirlies. Then I learned that our pharmacist Scout Master was selling drugs to people without a prescription. When he went down, the troop was disbanded.

I got caught having sex with my sister's friend. She was 15 and I was 14. My Mom walked in on us. She gasped, closed the door and went downstairs and told my Dad. No one returned to my room. After the girl left, my Dad gave 'the talk' and warned me about STDs and pregnancy. My sister was already pregnant, but they did not know that, yet. My Dad gave me condoms and told me not to ever let my Mom catch me. My Mom was religious and any sex outside marriage was horrible, in her opinion.

We did not have a model family. My Mom was mentally ill. My Dad was physically ill. They were both away at times and my sister and I were split up and lived with relatives. My Dad was withdrawn and angry and took it out on me (less often, my sister). He was physically and verbally abusive when I was a small child, but seemed to mellow as we got older. Their biggest flaw was that they were never supportive. They never came to our events. I was on the track team for four years and made junior olympics and neither of parents saw a meet; not one.

My sister had more issues than I did. She became sexually active very early. She used drugs and became an alcoholic while still a teen. She left home at 15 and pregnant. My Dad refused to speak with her for five years. My Mom helped her out with clothes, food and money. My Mom was afraid of my sister's husband and friends and so I would come along. Such protection was only symbolic. These guys were real bad-ass gang bangers and I was frightened to be there. My Mom would yell at my Dad and say things like, "She's still your daughter. Blood is thicker than water." and "What would God say to a man who abandons his daughter!"

After my sister left, my Dad lightened up a lot. The hitting and most of the yelling stopped. The dialogue started. By the time I graduated from high-school, we were pretty close.

My sister graduated from high-school, a single mom on welfare. My Mom insisted that my Dad send her to college. My Dad did. My sister divorced her now convict husband. My parents took in my nephew and he and my Dad are really close. My sister is a PHD in psychology and works with troubled kids in a wrap-around program. She abhors programs.

The point is that my sister and I came through fine in spite of the living hell that was our childhood. We both were 'troubled teens.'

My parents were not bad people. They had issues. They just weren't that good at being parents.
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« Reply #22 on: January 13, 2007, 11:07:29 PM »
Perhaps then the converse question needs to be asked of people who did not send their kids to programmes. If you either live in a country where there is no such thing or you do not have the money or you are one of the silent majority of Americans who had not considered this as an option because it seems cruel and perverse, what did you do to handle conflict? How did you get through the difficult times with a kid who was pressing your buttons?
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« Reply #23 on: January 14, 2007, 01:30:05 AM »
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Quote from: ""Cassandra""
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Don't even put that dude in the same league as me.


He's pretty fuckin good...
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« Reply #24 on: January 14, 2007, 02:04:11 AM »
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He's pretty fuckin good...


And that is why you shouldn't put him in the same league as TSW.
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« Reply #25 on: January 14, 2007, 02:06:38 AM »
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Perhaps then the converse question needs to be asked of people who did not send their kids to programmes. If you either live in a country where there is no such thing or you do not have the money or you are one of the silent majority of Americans who had not considered this as an option because it seems cruel and perverse, what did you do to handle conflict? How did you get through the difficult times with a kid who was pressing your buttons?


I don't know if it has much to do with Americans considering it cruel or perverse. The majority of Americans don't really know what goes on in these sorts of places.


Fair point but given that you pointed out to me how many people dont do this in comparison to those who do, there is still a silent majority not sending kids. Perhaps what these people are doing needs to be highlighted.
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« Reply #26 on: January 14, 2007, 08:26:06 AM »
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I never went to a program, but what strikes me is the strong stand the parents took on the issues. My parents trusted me and never went off the deep end. They over reacted sometimes, but not to the point of a program.

I ran away from home once and they called the police. I came back on my own. My Mom met me at the door and asked what my story was. I actually said, "I lost track of time?" "Right," she replied. "You'd better do better than that because your Dad is really mad."

I walked upstairs to my room and my Dad came out of the bathroom in the upstairs hall. He looked right at me. His expression changed. He walked right by me and said nothing. The expression said it all. He was furious, scared, and relieved, all at the same time. That expression said, "I love you." I felt so bad about that, I never ran again. My running was never discussed. I was never punished.

I got caught shoplifting when I was 11. One of the kids involved was bragging about his exploits in school and we all got caught. There were probably five or six of us involved. The principal confronted us, one at a time. We all confessed. My Dad had to take me to the store to apologize. I did. I returned the undamaged, unopened merchandise. I never wanted the thing. I only did it because my friends were calling me a chicken. I was banned from the store.

I smoked and used drugs occasionally. When caught, these were confiscated and destroyed. I would get lectured about the dangers of drugs, alcohol and tobacco. I got caught with pot by my 6th grade teacher. He gave the choice between the police or the Boy Scouts. I liked the Scouts. I was only a Scout for a year. I stopped going when the rumor came around that the bigger boys were giving the younger boys swirlies. Then I learned that our pharmacist Scout Master was selling drugs to people without a prescription. When he went down, the troop was disbanded.

I got caught having sex with my sister's friend. She was 15 and I was 14. My Mom walked in on us. She gasped, closed the door and went downstairs and told my Dad. No one returned to my room. After the girl left, my Dad gave 'the talk' and warned me about STDs and pregnancy. My sister was already pregnant, but they did not know that, yet. My Dad gave me condoms and told me not to ever let my Mom catch me. My Mom was religious and any sex outside marriage was horrible, in her opinion.

We did not have a model family. My Mom was mentally ill. My Dad was physically ill. They were both away at times and my sister and I were split up and lived with relatives. My Dad was withdrawn and angry and took it out on me (less often, my sister). He was physically and verbally abusive when I was a small child, but seemed to mellow as we got older. Their biggest flaw was that they were never supportive. They never came to our events. I was on the track team for four years and made junior olympics and neither of parents saw a meet; not one.

My sister had more issues than I did. She became sexually active very early. She used drugs and became an alcoholic while still a teen. She left home at 15 and pregnant. My Dad refused to speak with her for five years. My Mom helped her out with clothes, food and money. My Mom was afraid of my sister's husband and friends and so I would come along. Such protection was only symbolic. These guys were real bad-ass gang bangers and I was frightened to be there. My Mom would yell at my Dad and say things like, "She's still your daughter. Blood is thicker than water." and "What would God say to a man who abandons his daughter!"

After my sister left, my Dad lightened up a lot. The hitting and most of the yelling stopped. The dialogue started. By the time I graduated from high-school, we were pretty close.

My sister graduated from high-school, a single mom on welfare. My Mom insisted that my Dad send her to college. My Dad did. My sister divorced her now convict husband. My parents took in my nephew and he and my Dad are really close. My sister is a PHD in psychology and works with troubled kids in a wrap-around program. She abhors programs.

The point is that my sister and I came through fine in spite of the living hell that was our childhood. We both were 'troubled teens.'

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Exactly. Doing well in life is something every one wants. We are engeneired chemically, socially, emotionally to want to be happy.
We move relentlessly toward that goal.
You know the only thing that can really interupt that ability?
Being sent to a instiution that tortures you day in and day out in an effort to "form new ways of thinking" in your formative years

That'll form new, unatural, perverted, disjointed "new ways of thinking"
Thats why there are so many suicides and permantently destroyed individuals coming out of programs

Of course, I dont beleive for a moment that the people who run these places really are in an effort to help kids by "teaching them new ways of thinking" more like destroying their to the point where they are incabable of going to the police with the tale of what happened to them
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« Reply #27 on: January 14, 2007, 12:49:03 PM »
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Exactly. Doing well in life is something every one wants. We are engeneired chemically, socially, emotionally to want to be happy.
We move relentlessly toward that goal.
You know the only thing that can really interupt that ability?
Being sent to a instiution that tortures you day in and day out in an effort to "form new ways of thinking" in your formative years

That'll form new, unatural, perverted, disjointed "new ways of thinking"
Thats why there are so many suicides and permantently destroyed individuals coming out of programs

Of course, I dont beleive for a moment that the people who run these places really are in an effort to help kids by "teaching them new ways of thinking" more like destroying their to the point where they are incabable of going to the police with the tale of what happened to them

Lucky for me I made it out alive and never let the place fuck with my head enough to cause too much trouble in the way of internal struggles...you know, bad thoughts that never get better.

One thing I've learned is that drinking too much doesn't seem to help. But then I've always had a bit of weakness for the bottle. Weed has helped tremendously as a sort of 'substitute' for the booze. Too bad it's illegal here. I hate it when folks that live in places where it IS legal don't care enough to do anything about it for the rest of the states. That's almost worse than the cop who busts people for it because it's his job to do so. People keep going to jail but some people could give a shit because it doesn't happen to THEM...  :flame:  :flame:  :evil:
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2007, 01:08:43 PM »
hey howd you know Im a regular?

(smart one you)
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« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2007, 06:08:53 PM »
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hey howd you know Im a regular?

(smart one you)

It akes one to know one.   :)
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