Confrontation Thread: IE Karen In Dallas Apology PMs

[Anonymous]

Who won the publicity battle here?

Say what you believe, not what you think other people need to hear.

[Anonymous]

What if she's giving her honest opinion?

Many program parents honestly believe in their program, doesn't make them right. For all I know my parent is out on a message board typing away at how great my stay at a program was too, doesn't make it true.

[Anonymous]

She actually got quite a few (and i heard this not from her, but from actual people who PMed her)

Well since you all think Karens wilderness program is so great, and reccomend it to parents en masse, be prepared to live with the consequences of that decision. When a kid dies in some march, and the parent comes back here and asks why you said it was safe what will you answer? Can't you see the hypocrisy in giving out advice to parents on where to send their children?

[Nihilanthic]

Can't you see how stupid it is to ask for advice from a parent who needed help to deal with her kid?  :roll:

HELLOOOOOOO?

This is like asking advice on finding mechanics from someone who can't mantain their car.

[Anonymous]

Karen is just good at fooling people with her faux caring attitude, when all she is concerned with is constructing the perception she desperately needs. Don't waste your time battling someone over their perception when you can see the reality, it's a waste of time.

[psy]

She actually got quite a few (and i heard this not from her, but from actual people who PMed her)

Well since you all think Karens wilderness program is so great, and reccomend it to parents en masse, be prepared to live with the consequences of that decision. When a kid dies in some march, and the parent comes back here and asks why you said it was safe what will you answer? Can't you see the hypocrisy in giving out advice to parents on where to send their children?

You are completely missing my point.  I hate all programs, i think they should be shut down! all of them.  period.  no exceptions.  however, the trick is to convince parents of that and you aren't going to do that by insulting them.

I do not think 2N is a good program and i wouldn't contribute towards sending anybody there.  I don't think Karen is arguing anymore that 2n is a good program for any kid.  She just said it appeared to work for her kid.  I don't think so personally, but my opinion does not fucking matter  or yours, or anybody here, unless that opinion influences sombody in a position to do something about it.

So good luck talking to her about 2N now.  She was listening about Carlbrook and now her opinion has changed.  If TSW (yes you fuckhead) hadn't jumped down her throat we might have been able to talk her out of her support for 2n as well.

Where do most parents get recommendations for programs besides the ed-cons?  OTHER PARENTS!!!!!!!  and unlike ed-cons, most parents do so out of ignorance rather than greed.  You fight ignorance with knowledge, facts, debate NOT INSULTS!.

If you want to cut a major program "supplier" off, you need to reach former parents, still stuck in their fantasy world of "oh gee, they saved my kid's life."

but heaven forbid we bite our tongues in order to do so... focusing on a goal for more than than 15 seconds away.

[psy]

Karen is just good at fooling people with her faux caring attitude, when all she is concerned with is constructing the perception she desperately needs. Don't waste your time battling someone over their perception when you can see the reality, it's a waste of time.

What good is the truth if nobody will listen to it?

[Anonymous]

You go ahead and bite your tongue when a program parent comes here and starts singing the praises of a debunked program if you want, but to expect everyone else to do so... guess you haven't been around fornits long enough yet.

If TSW (yes you fuckhead) hadn't jumped down her throat we might have been able to talk her out of her support for 2n as well.

Talk her out of support? This is several years later since her kid got out, I don't think that's going to change. And ask if she regrets Carlbrook and wouldn't do it again if repeating history. Shes got you good.

[Anonymous]

Karen is just good at fooling people with her faux caring attitude, when all she is concerned with is constructing the perception she desperately needs. Don't waste your time battling someone over their perception when you can see the reality, it's a waste of time.

What good is the truth if nobody will listen to it?

Karen is ONE person. One person. And also the last and least relevant person to this discussion. Her kids are grown. She sent them to programs and would do it again. And reccommends programs to other parents, as seen on multiple message boards. (god only knows what she suggests in pms)

[Anonymous]

She just said it appeared to work for her kid.

So do my parents. And nothing could be further from the truth.

[psy]

Karen is just good at fooling people with her faux caring attitude, when all she is concerned with is constructing the perception she desperately needs. Don't waste your time battling someone over their perception when you can see the reality, it's a waste of time.

What good is the truth if nobody will listen to it?

Karen is ONE person. One person. And also the last and least relevant person to this discussion. Her kids are grown. She sent them to programs and would do it again. And reccommends programs to other parents, as seen on multiple message boards. (god only knows what she suggests in pms)

She used to recommend Carlbrook.  She does not anymore.

Her vocal nature with other parents, and her ST support make her relevant.

If she is truly malicious, and does not care about kids(in which case she cannot be turned), I am waisting my time.  However, I don't know her well enough to make that judgment and I do not listen to rumors, heresay, and he-said-she-said bullshit.

[Anonymous]

If you want to cut a major program "supplier" off, I want you to reach former parents, still stuck in their fantasy world of "oh gee, they saved my kid's life."

Karen still inhabitates that world willingly and isn't coming out. Karen has never changed her tune. She has always been critical of Carlbrook and other programs. Nobody is changing her mind here. Go read her old posts and you will see that they are exactly the same. The truth is plain to see. This website is filled with accounts of horrific abuse at programs. She, like other people who post here with pro-program agendas, use those tales of abuse to make their programs look better than the shit that's already out there. That disgusts me.

[psy]

She just said it appeared to work for her kid.

So do my parents. And nothing could be further from the truth.

So talk to your parents until you convince them otherwise (i did with my dad).  Mom's in progress.

Make them pissed off at your treatment.  All you have to do is tell the truth and back your story up evidence (other people's testimony, books, research).

Imagine a million pissed off parents with disposable income...

[Anonymous]

She used to recommend Carlbrook. She does not anymore.

For the same reason Sou stopped reccomending WWASPS programs. To gain credibility. The ploy worked, obviously.

How would you feel if I thought Benchmark was a lighter version of the program I was at, and dismissed all claims of abuse. Say I was at TB and forced to lay on my face for weeks, does that give me the right to reccomend other programs that aren't as bad based on my experience?

That's what she is doing with the wilderness program she loves so dearly.

[Anonymous]

She just said it appeared to work for her kid.

So do my parents. And nothing could be further from the truth.

So talk to your parents until you convince them otherwise (i did with my dad).  Mom's in progress.

Make them pissed off at your treatment.  All you have to do is tell the truth and back your story up evidence (other people's testimony, books, research).

Imagine a million pissed off parents with disposable income...

I explained to them what was going on in real-time through letters. So anything now is just a farce, we all know it so there's no point really. My only point with this post is not every parent is ignorant and loving, some get exactly what they pay for and still think its a great idea. I don't put Karen in that same category, I just think she's really slick at sneaking in a pro program agenda under guise of being critical of Carlbrook.