Friendly reminder.

[Anonymous]

But you are the one blaming your adult life on a program you were in 20 years ago.  Notice how few former program people, compared to the whole population, are on fornits claiming every single program is bad. Not many.  At some point, you have to take things in your own hands and get over it and stop living out your disappointments on a message board.

[Anne Bonney]

But you are the one blaming your adult life on a program you were in 20 years ago.  Notice how few former program people, compared to the whole population, are on fornits claiming every single program is bad. Not many.  At some point, you have to take things in your own hands and get over it and stop living out your disappointments on a message board.

My adult life is great!  Why would there be a need to "blame" anyone for that?  I blame them for fucking with my entire sense of self to the point where it took me almost 20 years to learn what most people do in their teens and early 20s.  I blame them for destroying my family.....because they did.  The good things I have in my life now, and there are plenty, are in spite of what was done to me.  They are a product of my own time and energy as well as that of my husband and kids.

I'm not here living out my disappointments.  I'm here to try and help parents understand that a TBS is NEVER the answer, is not effective and more often than not, is dangerous.  Why are you here?

[Froderik]

But you are the one blaming your adult life on a program you were in 20 years ago.  Notice how few former program people, compared to the whole population, are on fornits claiming every single program is bad. Not many.  At some point, you have to take things in your own hands and get over it and stop living out your disappointments on a message board.

Fallout from these programs affects many of us. What Anne experienced after Straight (concerning custody of her children) would be a perfect example of this.

Perhaps that's due to a realistic take on them (having been through them ourselves).   :roll:

[Froderik]

Anne, do you think anon is ccm whore?

PS, I hate the "edited" notice, it's displeasing aesthetically.

[Covergaard]

The dangers in TBS does not lie in the bad intentions of evil people, but rather in the lack of accountability which is present in all facilities.  The answer to stopping the abuse of children in TBS is not to refer them to less abusive facilities, you must first change the law and to change the law you must first make societal change. The civil rights  movement and the woman's rights movement  demonstrates perfectly the need to change society before you can reap any serious legislative change. I feel that to bring about this societal change you must defeat 3 things

• Silence - on the part of survivors
• ignorance -  on the part of parents
• Indifference - on the part of Society

Ignorance and Indifference can only be defeated by the collective voice of survivors, without their testimony we will never see change.  By referring parents to any TBS without first brining societal and legislative change you will be essentially saying that the current protections are  enough and that no societal or legislative change is needed. This is dangerous and will only lead to more of the same, a shady industry with a shady record.....

Yes, You need to change your laws as you did. Even in Denmark parent can ask for their child or an adult relative to be commited, but before the special trained police-crew comes for the person (Teen escort companies are not allowed in Denmark. We demand some standard from those persons which take persons to treatment. Standards that take some time for persons to learn.), it has to be signed by several doctors and after the person has been commited he is assigned a kind of defense attorney and the case goes before a judge.

Second some politicians should be able to visit any facility without warning. They have the right to do so in Denmark. So, why not in your country. Visitations from officials is not enough, because they get too close to the persons in the facility so they can not stay objective.

Some of answers of the path against better laws you give yourself. We need more testimonies - more survivor-stories.

But stop the internal war. It is a waste of time and only good for the abusive facilities.

[Froderik]

Heads it is Karen in Dallas, Tails it is CCM girl.


Someone flip!

Duh, should've known....

That's got Karen written all over it.

[Anne Bonney]

Heads it is Karen in Dallas, Tails it is CCM girl.


Someone flip!

Anne, do you think anon is ccm whore?

PS, I hate that "edited" notice. It's displeasing aesthetically.

I figured it was one or the other.  Those people are all becoming indistinguishable from one another.

What gives Karen?  What's your problem with me?

[hanzomon4]

But you are the one blaming your adult life on a program you were in 20 years ago.  Notice how few former program people, compared to the whole population, are on fornits claiming every single program is bad. Not many.  At some point, you have to take things in your own hands and get over it and stop living out your disappointments on a message board.

You're right not many people are on fornits speaking about the evils of programs, no wonder no one is held responsible for the abuse children suffer.

Do realize this Guest, just like with rape a survivor is affected by the abuse they suffered and their adult life won't escape that trauma. Telling them to just get over it is beyond cruel, how about telling the fucks who abused them to eat shit and die right along with the bastards who referred them to abuse camp. Sorry was that not civil?

EDIT:I'm sorry but is Karen the evocation of evil or something?

[Anne Bonney]

Stay away from both of them!  They've got SPD!!!  And it appears to be contagious.
   :scared:

[Joyce Harris]

To the poster CCM:
Would you like to tell the children at Whitmore Acadmey to  just "get over the mental, psychological, physical, sexual abuse they suffered while enrolled at this facility?"  Why don't you tell us parents exactly how they are suppose to accomplish this "just getting over it?" And what's the time frame until YOU get to classify our children as WHINERS if they don't GET OVER IT?

If you weren't abused in your numerous placements, then I am extremely happy for you, and pleased that you can look back on your time in facilities so favorable.  Our children were not so fortunate.

And, most of our children were referred to Whitmore Academy by Sue Scheff of PURE.  We listened to Sheff's recommendadtion of Whithmore as a "kinder, gentler, SAFE program" because she convinced us it was SAFE BECAUSE IT WAS NOT WWASP.
Does this sound anywhere near familiar to what you and Kev over at Anti-WWASP is saying?

You have your right to your opinions, but your judgmental approach to surviors, and how they deal with their abuse--however long it might take, is disgraceful.

[Anonymous]

I have a bit of advice for those of you who continue to whine about it. Get over it! Fuck 'em, and move on. As far as we know, we are only on this earth once. Live life to it's fullest. Stand up for what you believe in, but stop acting like such victims. Really, in the end it doesn't matter who did what to you, and when. It matters what you do afterwards with your life. If you let them scar you for life, you are letting those bastards win. Why give them that, didn't they do enough already?

What a strange thing to say to a group of program survivors, activists and people interested in helping other families avoid this deadly industry. You are a program survivor, right? Why are you posting here still and not outside swimming in your pool or whatever? Get over it already!  :roll:

Because when they speak in public on matters related to abuse, and what it did to them, people will listen. When called to a witness stand, to give a statement in court who do you think the jury will believe? A person who is acting all nutty, and going off on tangents, or someone who comes and says look this is my story, this is what it did to me, this is how it affected me for years in my life afterwards, this is how I finally got the strength to move forward, and this is what I do in life now.

So everyone here is nutty and crazy and not successful? Get fucking real. Please.

These are the healthy relationships that I am able to have, this is the company I work for, give any one on this list of 50 people a call to ask them what they think of me. They will all tell you, I am not a liar, or a manipulator, but that I am strong yet sensitive person. Basically, I am a straight shooter. A lot of people on here don't like that because it makes them look at themselves, and maybe they are finally scratching their head going why am I so stuck in the past, and yes it's giving them the power still, and it's been 20+ years later.

You ARE stuck in the past, just like a lot of other people. You are here posting aren't you? So you must care to a degree. You sure do go far to make a point about how succesful, and how many friends you have. People don't normally emphasize these things when they speak, your experiences show.

For parents out there that feel they were swindled out of thousands, and thousands of dollars. I say go for it, go after them. Bring lots of documentation, and proof. Not only was it your hard earned money, sometimes even your retirement, or maybe your on some fucking 20 year loan program that you feel trapped in, because if you don't pay it, it could fuck up your credit, which in life means everything these days. But, they lied to you. They fooled you.

Not all parents. Don't you remember the seminar, and all the parents present during them? It's parents lying to other parents, and their kids who lie to other parents that get them to send their kid to the program. WWASPS does very little marketing itself, almost all kids are brought in by referalls from parents and program graduates.

But still, I will never say all programs are bad. Never.

Well no shit, that's because it's not true! Wha IS true is that you are Kevin is NO WAY qualified to make that distinction for other parents. THAT is what this thread is about, that's it. It's not about you, or your life, or if you think ALL programs are bad. Don't you get that?

" Hmmmm.....what's "US" I am thinking I have less and less in common with you all everyday.

The only thing program survivors have in common is being in a program at one point in their life. There is no "we".

[Anonymous]

This reminds me of some of other threads, where program survivors find this board and people talking about the program they were in. So they start posting how succesful they are, how much money they have, how lovely their family is and how many friends they ahve.They tell everyone else how  they should just "get over it" (while not even knowing what they are telling the person to get over) and move on, and be succesful like they were.
You know what I am talking about, you've seen plenty of those posts too if you've been here reading.
There is clearly a pattern to this. I think its obvious that these seemingly arrogant and rude posters are really hurting and have low self esteem on the inside, and need desperately to project a succesful image, even if its just to strangers over the internet.
 I reread the posts in this thread by CCM and she doesn't even address the points being made by other posters, she just goes off on self absorbed tangents about how she is so much better than everyone else here, how she is the most qualified teenage expert psychologist ever, ego galore.
I've seen this pattern over and over here, in all the program forums.

[Anonymous]

Maybe that's why CCM was called a "...heartless, self-certered b....., who likes to hear herself talk," and has been told countless times to STFU?

[Anonymous]

Good point Anon.

I think there is a certain degree of malignant "narcissism" in every referral agent.  They all seem to think they have a special talent for the work (s.i.c.) they do.  Many, if not all, appear to have no conscious.  Selling kids into programs isn't disgusting to them.  They actually think they deserve respect and appreciation for saving families in crisis, and of course, saving them from making the biggest mistake of their lives ... choosing a WWASPS program instead of one of their "recommended" programs.

All the more reason to steer clear of these program referral agencies. .  They are not objective.  They are essentially predators who use the Internet to prey upon desperate, naive, gullible parents.

[Anonymous]

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements);

Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;

Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);

Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation - or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);

Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;

Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;

Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;

Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;

Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.

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