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« Reply #120 on: January 21, 2007, 03:35:57 PM »
CCM, how about answering the question put to you:  NAME the safe schools/facilities out there, OK?

You insist there are safe facilities that you would send "your teen" to.  Tell us about these "safe" places.
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« Reply #121 on: January 21, 2007, 04:22:48 PM »
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CCM, how about answering the question put to you:  NAME the safe schools/facilities out there, OK?

You insist there are safe facilities that you would send "your teen" to.  Tell us about these "safe" places.


Like I have said before......2 outta the 4 places I went to were great, and yes I would recommend them. Heritage School in Provo, UT. and Orem Psychiatric Hospital. The hospital was a much shorter stay, but it was meant for evaluation. There were kids that had been there long term, and had severe issues. The kind you would basically see acted out in a movie, or television series.

Heritage was great when I was there, and has continued to get even better. I've talked to several students and gotten caught up on their rules and procedures. Theraputic, but in a more lax enviroment, where you can be you. The kids have the best of everything it seems. The school actually puts their money back into their program to improve it constantly. They hire people who are more qualified, and their selection process is more selective then some of the programs mentioned in here. Of course that costs more money, which in return makes it more expensive then WWASPS programs. But, their profit margin is still relatively low compared to some of the programs mentioned on this board because of their attention to detail, and wanting to provide the best treatment possible.

I also have had many friends and a family member of mine who was outta control prostituting herself for drugs for about 7 years of her life, and got help from a place in Florida. All I know about it is is that it's called Drug Farm (not sure if that is a nick name?). I'm not sure if they except minors, or not? It is state run, so I believe you have to be a resident of Florida. But, it's run like a bootcamp. She had the choice of that, or jail, so she made the choice of going 1 year to this Drug Farm place. For a girl who had been shooting up heroin, smoking crack, and screwing drug dealers unprotected she needed that intervention. She swears it saved her life. I believe it has too. She's been sober for 2 years, and I just visited her last Thanksgiving in Florida, and know she is doing fantastic.

For me to start researching all the programs, and start a refferal agency of my own it would take a lot of time, and energy, and not to mention all the travel involved. So, when you ask me these stupid repetitive questions about naming schools I play it like a numbers game. If 2 outta the 4 places were good then that must mean there are good places out there besides that! If I were so lucky, I'd won the god damned lottery a long time ago. When I do something, I give it my all. I don't like to do things half assed. People who are referring kids to schools they know nothing about, or haven't visited, or talked to the parents or ythe kids, but have just compiled a list of schools maybe the ones at the top possibly being the ones that pay the most in refferal fees? Take a room in their house and add a second phone/fax line and call themselves a referral agency, and their guiding these families???!!! That's really fucking scary!
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« Reply #122 on: January 21, 2007, 06:40:11 PM »
Shame on you Kevin! Starting an EdCon referral business under the name antiwasp.com is revolting. SS would be proud. She'd probably say "why didn't I think of that?"

Perhaps you mean well. Perhaps SS once did too. If you really want to help parents find solutions, steer them toward qualified professionals and steer them away from programs of any kind. What makes you qualified to decide what is a "good" program and whether a kid needs that or not? Yeah, that's what I thought.

The road to hell is paved with good intentions.

And I hope your business goes bankrupt real soon.
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« Reply #123 on: January 21, 2007, 08:01:47 PM »
Why is the answer to shutting down WWASPS sending kids to other programs? Talk about fantasy island.  :roll:
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« Reply #124 on: January 21, 2007, 08:25:03 PM »
Wouldn't it so totally pwn if all the programs Antiwwasp referred to were fake programs where the kid just lounges around playing video games and a few trips to the skate park, while his parents are sent regular updates on nonexistent therapy?
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« Reply #125 on: January 21, 2007, 09:04:10 PM »
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Why is the answer to shutting down WWASPS sending kids to other programs? Talk about fantasy island.  :roll:


Well, if WWASPS is ready to do a major overhaul on their schools, and change the way they are run, I wouldn't mind them staying in business. It's that they continue to stand by their way of doing things, which I personally believe is totally fucked up IMHO.

BTW, Fantasy Island is the dream of Kevin putting fake schools on his sight to have parents sent their children wherever to play video games????? Weeeeee! That sounds really cool  :roll:
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« Reply #126 on: January 21, 2007, 09:12:34 PM »
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Wouldn't it so totally pwn if all the programs Antiwwasp referred to were fake programs where the kid just lounges around playing video games and a few trips to the skate park, while his parents are sent regular updates on nonexistent therapy?

RTP2K3 & I were thinking of opening a place like that. :lol: :smokin:
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« Reply #127 on: January 21, 2007, 09:34:10 PM »
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Why is the answer to shutting down WWASPS sending kids to other programs? Talk about fantasy island.  :roll:

Well, if WWASPS is ready to do a major overhaul on their schools, and change the way they are run, I wouldn't mind them staying in business. It's that they continue to stand by their way of doing things, which I personally believe is totally fucked up IMHO.

BTW, Fantasy Island is the dream of Kevin putting fake schools on his sight to have parents sent their children wherever to play video games????? Weeeeee! That sounds really cool  :roll:


You are a moron.
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« Reply #128 on: January 21, 2007, 09:34:12 PM »
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Well, if WWASPS is ready to do a major overhaul on their schools, and change the way they are run, I wouldn't mind them staying in business.


Well luckily there is an army of ex prisoners and family members who were lied to that DO mind.
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« Reply #129 on: January 21, 2007, 09:37:06 PM »
Just like any kind of abuse, some victims grow up to be abusers themselves.
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« Reply #130 on: January 21, 2007, 09:41:46 PM »
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The subject of program referrals is a complicated one.

On this page we'll try to help you sort fact from fiction and explain the dangers of "blind" referrals that are becoming more and more common in the troubled-teen industry.

Referrals

More than likely, you found several web sites promoting various troubled-teen facilities before you found the ISAC site.

There are hundreds, if not thousands, of such sites on the internet right now.

The sites all look very different, giving the appearance that they are independent of one another.

Often the sites are very high-tech, with flashy introductions and cool graphics.

They may try to convince you of their good intentions by offering "free" referrals.

And while the referral will appear to be "free" since YOU won't be the one paying, these referrers will make money from YOUR child because the PROGRAM is paying them to make these referrals.

This can happen one of several different ways:

    * Some referrers are paid per child. The more children that end up enrolled in the program, the more money they make.

    * Some are paid a flat rate to make referrals. Typically these referrers have agreements with several different facilities.

    * Some referrers receive a percentage of the first years tuition after the facility is paid by the parents.

The latest trend involves something even more sinister and deceptive.

Since people have gotten wind of the for-profit referral business, referrers are now teaming up with "child advocates."

These "advocates" will gladly tell you how awful a particular facility is, then direct you towards someone who will help you find an alternative.

We don't know what kind of financial arrangement is going on behind the scenes, but we're sure there is one.

Regardless of what they call themselves, these referrers are NOT qualified to diagnose your child over the phone and they aren't qualified to judge a program as being "good."

And don't forget - they are being PAID to tell you the facility is good.

Quite simply, the internet isn't regulated and the referral business isn't regulated.

We recommend that parents NOT use the internet to find a program for their child.

You just have no way of knowing what kind of person you are entrusting your child to.


http://www.isaccorp.org/referrals.asp
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« Reply #131 on: January 21, 2007, 10:35:24 PM »
Well guess I better send Isac the information for Antiwwasp then. Hopefully ISAC has a list of bogus referall organizations.
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« Reply #132 on: January 22, 2007, 12:10:57 AM »
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Just like any kind of abuse, some victims grow up to be abusers themselves.


I really hope that's not directed towards me. If it is, you have no clue of what kind of person I really am. Sorry you feel the way you do, but nothing could be further from the truth.

You're entitled to your own opinion, but I am telling you, you are way off base.

I'm not going to waste a lot of time trying to explain the kind of person I am to you. Because if you haven't figured it out in the last couple years through my posts, or by talking to me, then you'll never get it me. It's too hard sometimes to get through to you guys. Some of you are so fucking paranoid, and don't trust anyone, it makes it almost impossible for me to even post here. At this point, it just might actually be a waste of my time.

BTW, Turley Law Firm has been in touch with me, and I made the decision to take 5 minutes out of my day to talk to them. You know why? Because I noticed everytime when WWASPS made statements to the press that all they kept saying was that all these kids were liars, and manipulators. Believe it or not, that was word for word what I heard way back when. Can you believe that was the same shit that was told to me 17 years ago?!! God, you think they would come up with a new one. Anyway, I told them of my experiences at Cross Creek Manor, and what I saw and experienced (I didn't need to lie or exaggerate). I said that if they ever needed me to make the trip to testify that I would. I said I was not interested in being a part of the class action suit though. I don't want any of their money (WWASPS). I do things that I feel are right, because I believe in the truth prevailing.

You see, I play fair. Even though I got the raw deal at a couple places, I still don't believe all programs out there are bad. I don't feel that all people involved with the programs are evil either. And I am sure as hell, that I am no abuser.
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« Reply #133 on: January 22, 2007, 01:21:44 AM »
Parents should seek advice from professionals, not program survivors on the internet. That much is clear.
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« Reply #134 on: January 22, 2007, 03:35:47 AM »
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Parents should seek advice from professionals, not program survivors on the internet. That much is clear.


They sure as hell can know what a program will do to someone by talking to someone who lived through it.

I mean, sure, if you WANT to make your kid end up like us and end up on fornits, sign right hte fuck up  :roll:
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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."