my expierience

[Anonymous]

Hi,

  The other advantage (to Hyde) to hiring green staff with personal issues is that they can be manipulated using the same techniques employed on students and parents.  You have the same small cadre of puppet masters and a constantly changing cast of puppets. It is a sweet sweet system ... if you are a Guald

 Il ce non vrai?

Norm DeGuerre

[Ursus]

It would be a form of abuse if he were to have his tirades at the charter schools.  Am i correct about this?  

It's all abuse. From A to Z.

  Who was it that said daylight is the best disinfectant?   Some of that stuff that happens at the boarding schools, like mushrooms, can only take place in the dark.  In the daylight of public accountably it can not exist.  I would guess that was what drove the letter that Joe wrote to DC board apologizing for his behavior.  That must have been a bitter pill for him to swallow.  I can see him thrashing about in the throws of a tantrum like Helen Keller in the "Miracle Worker" coming to terms with it.

from:  http://www.bartleby.com/73/1572.html

AUTHOR:   Louis Dembitz Brandeis (1856-1941)
QUOTATION:   Publicity is justly commended as a remedy for social and industrial diseases. Sunlight is said to be the best of disinfectants; electric light the most efficient policeman.
ATTRIBUTION:   LOUIS D. BRANDEIS, "What Publicity Can Do," Other People's Money, chapter 5, p. 92 (1932). First published in Harper's Weekly, December 20, 1913.
SUBJECTS:   Publicity
BIOGRAPHY:   Columbia Encyclopedia

[Anonymous]

Hi,

  The other advantage (to Hyde) to hiring green staff with personal issues is that they can be manipulated using the same techniques employed on students and parents.  You have the same small cadre of puppet masters and a constantly changing cast of puppets. It is a sweet sweet system ... if you are a Guald

 Il ce non vrai?

Norm DeGuerre

Hyde seems to hire a steady stream of young, impressionable faculty who don't stick around long.  Clearly some of them have their own major issues.  What's especially troubling is that Hyde gives these people incredible power and authority when they have little skill and wisdom to enable them to use the power and authority responsibly.  The result is too much incompetence and abuse.  When these young staff have Joe Gauld as a role model, the problem is compounded.  No wonder Hyde suffers from such controversy and ill repute.

[Anonymous]

Hi,

  The other advantage (to Hyde) to hiring green staff with personal issues is that they can be manipulated using the same techniques employed on students and parents.  You have the same small cadre of puppet masters and a constantly changing cast of puppets. It is a sweet sweet system ... if you are a Guald

 Il ce non vrai?

Norm DeGuerre

Hyde seems to hire a steady stream of young, impressionable faculty who don't stick around long.  Clearly some of them have their own major issues.  What's especially troubling is that Hyde gives these people incredible power and authority when they have little skill and wisdom to enable them to use the power and authority responsibly.  The result is too much incompetence and abuse.  When these young staff have Joe Gauld as a role model, the problem is compounded.  No wonder Hyde suffers from such controversy and ill repute.

   At this point in my view of Hyde is that it is a cynical institution.  I do not believe that hyde believes the stated mission.  Hyde is like the patent medicine hucksters of old.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patent_medicine
   The goal is not to cure or relieve but to addict the victim to the nostrum.

Norm DeGuerre

[Ursus]

All the crap we guinea pigs went through thirty plus years ago would be a lot more bearable were the current crop of guinea pigs not still being wrung through the same old mind-raping bullshit.

You would think that, at the very least, Hyde has had plenty of time to perfect or at least improve their educating skills and to come up with some better post-Hyde statistics, were this really their goal.  Yet, even today, you still hear horror stories from too many fronts... And between all the adjectives, the anger, and the innuendo, the bottom line is that there truly is a lot of pain and trauma going down.

Is Hyde incompetent?  Perhaps.  But perhaps competence or incompetence is not the question.  Hyde hasn't changed their modus operandi because they do not wish to, and they do not think they need to.  They see nothing wrong with twisting some hapless adolescent's emerging psyche to fall in line with the "Program's position."  The end is so laudable in their eyes, that it justifies any means.

If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means--to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal--would bring terrible retribution.
Justice LOUIS D. BRANDEIS, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928).
http://www.bartleby.com/73/707.html

[Anonymous]

All the crap we guinea pigs went through thirty plus years ago would be a lot more bearable were the current crop of guinea pigs not still being wrung through the same old mind-raping bullshit.

You would think that, at the very least, Hyde has had plenty of time to perfect or at least improve their educating skills and to come up with some better post-Hyde statistics, were this really their goal.  Yet, even today, you still hear horror stories from too many fronts... And between all the adjectives, the anger, and the innuendo, the bottom line is that there truly is a lot of pain and trauma going down.

Is Hyde incompetent?  Perhaps.  But perhaps competence or incompetence is not the question.  Hyde hasn't changed their modus operandi because they do not wish to, and they do not think they need to.  They see nothing wrong with twisting some hapless adolescent's emerging psyche to fall in line with the "Program's position."  The end is so laudable in their eyes, that it justifies any means.

If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means?to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal?would bring terrible retribution.
Justice LOUIS D. BRANDEIS, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928).
http://www.bartleby.com/73/707.html

very well said my friend. Hyde is a toxic place. Hyde needs to stop lying on their promotional materials. Stop portraying yourself as a "school" who has a good education system in place, stop stretching the truth about the high percentage of graduates going to college, stop misleading parents into thinking their kids are in a safe environment, because NON OF THIS IS TRUE!!!!!!! Remember what you teach at Hyde "the truth will set you free."

I for one wish that Gary would write his story. The story of a "character based" program which calls themselves a school and has a Cult following.  There is so much material that comes into play re the abuse, kids not going to school for a wk as a punishment, lack of medical care, inadequate staff or staff without the proper credentials.  What about the millions of dollars they keep when a family pays for the year but pulls out after a month when they are scared away by the psycho Joe Gauld.  

It is all wrong.  I thank the poster who put up the info on Guidestar which shows how much the school makes. Joe Gauld and his entire family have themselves quite a fortune.  By the way, have you ever heard of a family whose son, two daughters, and all their husbands and wives work for the same company?  It smells so much of a Cult!

I wonder what they all do with their millions.  They are much more fortunate than you or I.  They have no housing, food, education, travel, or any other expenses.  The only thing this family has to buy for themselves is clothes. Did you see how much the different corporations spend on travel and fundraising?  Unbelievable that the board does not care about this, but then again they have selected the board very carefully.

Why don't you answer for some of this Hyde.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Is it a scam?

[Anonymous]

All the crap we guinea pigs went through thirty plus years ago would be a lot more bearable were the current crop of guinea pigs not still being wrung through the same old mind-raping bullshit.

You would think that, at the very least, Hyde has had plenty of time to perfect or at least improve their educating skills and to come up with some better post-Hyde statistics, were this really their goal.  Yet, even today, you still hear horror stories from too many fronts... And between all the adjectives, the anger, and the innuendo, the bottom line is that there truly is a lot of pain and trauma going down.

Is Hyde incompetent?  Perhaps.  But perhaps competence or incompetence is not the question.  Hyde hasn't changed their modus operandi because they do not wish to, and they do not think they need to.  They see nothing wrong with twisting some hapless adolescent's emerging psyche to fall in line with the "Program's position."  The end is so laudable in their eyes, that it justifies any means.

If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means?to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal?would bring terrible retribution.
Justice LOUIS D. BRANDEIS, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928).
http://www.bartleby.com/73/707.html

very well said my friend. Hyde is a toxic place. Hyde needs to stop lying on their promotional materials. Stop portraying yourself as a "school" who has a good education system in place, stop stretching the truth about the high percentage of graduates going to college, stop misleading parents into thinking their kids are in a safe environment, because NON OF THIS IS TRUE!!!!!!! Remember what you teach at Hyde "the truth will set you free."

I for one wish that Gary would write his story. The story of a "character based" program which calls themselves a school and has a Cult following.  There is so much material that comes into play re the abuse, kids not going to school for a wk as a punishment, lack of medical care, inadequate staff or staff without the proper credentials.  What about the millions of dollars they keep when a family pays for the year but pulls out after a month when they are scared away by the psycho Joe Gauld.  

It is all wrong.  I thank the poster who put up the info on Guidestar which shows how much the school makes. Joe Gauld and his entire family have themselves quite a fortune.  By the way, have you ever heard of a family whose son, two daughters, and all their husbands and wives work for the same company?  It smells so much of a Cult!

I wonder what they all do with their millions.  They are much more fortunate than you or I.  They have no housing, food, education, travel, or any other expenses.  The only thing this family has to buy for themselves is clothes. Did you see how much the different corporations spend on travel and fundraising?  Unbelievable that the board does not care about this, but then again they have selected the board very carefully.

Why don't you answer for some of this Hyde.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Is it a scam?

  The Board is in on it.  Lennox Black.  Follow the money.

DEEP THROAT

[Anonymous]

Dear Uncle Rico (s), hyde is part scam, you are right. But did your parents not send you there because you failed other school enviornments?...it is a lifeboat for panicked well to do parents with screwed up kids...that is its reason for existance, and the free market will support the $$$ there...instead of chat rooming why not ask what lead to your placement in Hyde?...and why you now spend all this time "chatting"...do you guys have jobs??  for some of you it was 30 years ago...there is no time machine ,  the coach is not going to put you in some long passed game....your nephew...Napoleon Dynamite

[Anonymous]

Dear Uncle Rico (s), hyde is part scam, you are right. But did your parents not send you there because you failed other school enviornments?...it is a lifeboat for panicked well to do parents with screwed up kids...that is its reason for existance, and the free market will support the $$$ there...instead of chat rooming why not ask what lead to your placement in Hyde?...and why you now spend all this time "chatting"...do you guys have jobs??  for some of you it was 30 years ago...there is no time machine ,  the coach is not going to put you in some long passed game....your nephew...Napoleon Dynamite

Correction: It is a lifeboat for screwed up parents with panicked kids.

[Ursus]

Dear Uncle Rico (s), hyde is part scam, you are right.

No argument here...   ::noway::

But did your parents not send you there because you failed other school enviornments?

No, I was doing quite well, thank you.  Better than I ever did at Hyde, but that was because my academics weren't yet artificially deflated by alleged character "deficiencies."    

...it is a lifeboat for panicked well to do parents with screwed up kids.

No, sorry, my parents were not well off.  The tuition strained the family budget considerably.  I am ashamed when I look back and remember how difficult things were financially.  And I was not screwed up, just suffered from Major Depression.  Of course,  you know what label that bought me at Hyde...  
::bangin::

...that is its reason for existance, and the free market will support the $$$ there.

Hopefully the free market will come to its senses soon, before the wealth gets disproportionately concentrated in the pockets of a select few Down East.

...instead of chat rooming why not ask what lead to your placement in Hyde?

Hmmm... let's see.... naivete, idealism, the desire for not only self-improvement, but also greater World Peace?

...and why you now spend all this time "chatting"...do you guys have jobs??

We're on a mission... from G O D.   ::unhappy::

for some of you it was 30 years ago...

A N D counting... Gee, how time flies when you're not having much fun.  :rofl:

there is no time machine , the coach is not going to put you in some long passed game...

Hopefully not a game of passing gas, as this has been quite a long-winded reply...   ::kma::

Well, my fine friend Napoleon Dynamite, I respectfully hope I have adequately addressed your concerns.

your humble hearthrug, Ursus   :em:

[Anonymous]

Dear Uncle Rico (s), hyde is part scam, you are right. But did your parents not send you there because you failed other school enviornments?...it is a lifeboat for panicked well to do parents with screwed up kids...that is its reason for existance, and the free market will support the $$$ there...instead of chat rooming why not ask what lead to your placement in Hyde?...and why you now spend all this time "chatting"...do you guys have jobs??  for some of you it was 30 years ago...there is no time machine ,  the coach is not going to put you in some long passed game....your nephew...Napoleon Dynamite

  The free market supports Hello Kitty and Crack addiction.  The market knows the price of lunch not much beyond it.  
I have a very nice job thanks, I make almost as much as Mal and I actually contribute something tangible to the economy, Uncle Joe's Character Elixir step right up, step right up hurry hurry cures uppitty children that sniff cocaine and drink booze. Do you have a slutty girl child?  Send 'em right up.  Some of the staff specializes in deal with them. (wink wink)  Have them right as rain in no time folks step right up.

[Anonymous]

Dear Uncle Rico (s), hyde is part scam, you are right. But did your parents not send you there because you failed other school enviornments?...it is a lifeboat for panicked well to do parents with screwed up kids...that is its reason for existance, and the free market will support the $$$ there...instead of chat rooming why not ask what lead to your placement in Hyde?...and why you now spend all this time "chatting"...do you guys have jobs??  for some of you it was 30 years ago...there is no time machine ,  the coach is not going to put you in some long passed game....your nephew...Napoleon Dynamite

Correction: It is a lifeboat for screwed up parents with panicked kids.

Correction: it is a screwed up lifeboat for parents and kids that ought to seek professionals help, instead of Uncle Joe's Character Tonic.

[Anonymous]

All the crap we guinea pigs went through thirty plus years ago would be a lot more bearable were the current crop of guinea pigs not still being wrung through the same old mind-raping bullshit.

You would think that, at the very least, Hyde has had plenty of time to perfect or at least improve their educating skills and to come up with some better post-Hyde statistics, were this really their goal.  Yet, even today, you still hear horror stories from too many fronts... And between all the adjectives, the anger, and the innuendo, the bottom line is that there truly is a lot of pain and trauma going down.

Is Hyde incompetent?  Perhaps.  But perhaps competence or incompetence is not the question.  Hyde hasn't changed their modus operandi because they do not wish to, and they do not think they need to.  They see nothing wrong with twisting some hapless adolescent's emerging psyche to fall in line with the "Program's position."  The end is so laudable in their eyes, that it justifies any means.

If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that in the administration of the criminal law the end justifies the means?to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal?would bring terrible retribution.
Justice LOUIS D. BRANDEIS, dissenting, Olmstead et al. v. United States, 277 U.S. 485 (1928).
http://www.bartleby.com/73/707.html

very well said my friend. Hyde is a toxic place. Hyde needs to stop lying on their promotional materials. Stop portraying yourself as a "school" who has a good education system in place, stop stretching the truth about the high percentage of graduates going to college, stop misleading parents into thinking their kids are in a safe environment, because NON OF THIS IS TRUE!!!!!!! Remember what you teach at Hyde "the truth will set you free."

I for one wish that Gary would write his story. The story of a "character based" program which calls themselves a school and has a Cult following.  There is so much material that comes into play re the abuse, kids not going to school for a wk as a punishment, lack of medical care, inadequate staff or staff without the proper credentials.  What about the millions of dollars they keep when a family pays for the year but pulls out after a month when they are scared away by the psycho Joe Gauld.  

It is all wrong.  I thank the poster who put up the info on Guidestar which shows how much the school makes. Joe Gauld and his entire family have themselves quite a fortune.  By the way, have you ever heard of a family whose son, two daughters, and all their husbands and wives work for the same company?  It smells so much of a Cult!

I wonder what they all do with their millions.  They are much more fortunate than you or I.  They have no housing, food, education, travel, or any other expenses.  The only thing this family has to buy for themselves is clothes. Did you see how much the different corporations spend on travel and fundraising?  Unbelievable that the board does not care about this, but then again they have selected the board very carefully.

Why don't you answer for some of this Hyde.  Enquiring minds want to know.  Is it a scam?

I don't think Hyde is a scam.  That is, I don't think the Gauld, et al. crowd is deliberately trying to separate parents from their money purely to enrich themselves.  I don't think they're that venal.

However, I DO think that the Gauld, et al. clan is self-aggrandizing, arrogant, misguided, and haughty.  I'm convinced they have a perverse, twisted sense of mission that is remarkably out of step with what the vast majority of educators think is appropriate for troubled teenagers.  Hyde doesn't hold a candle to the increasingly large number of professionally run schools that serve a similar student population.  Hyde survives only because it manages to attract a critical mass of uninformed, desperate parents and because of its misleading marketing.  Hyde's tactics are shameful and its track record is embarrassing.  

I recently took a look at Hyde's materials.  They tout a survey of parents' satisfaction with Hyde.  I wonder what the response rate was.  I wonder if the sample included parents who left Hyde in disgust.  I'd be willing to bet money that Hyde's data are as flawed and deceptive as the school itself.

[Anonymous]

Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years.  In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result.  Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence  in the form of graduate/parent testimonials.   These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.

Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money

Pick one

[Anonymous]

Hyde has been in the business of delivering a product "Character Education" for forty years.  In all those years their has never never never been any attempt to quantify the result.  Establish a metric, a set of metrics and track graduates through their adulthood. There is nothing to substantiate any of their claims except anecdotal evidence  in the form of graduate/parent testimonials.   These are no more believable then the testimony of shills at a medicine show.

Why has this not been done?
1) they are too stupid or lazy
2) they really _are_ that venal and it is all about the money

Pick one

I think you're right.  Hyde's data and evidence are very thin indeed.  They offer lots of anecdotal claims about their successes but few hard numbers.  Here are the questions Hyde should be confronted with and expected to answer:

1.  What percentage of students who apply to Hyde are accepted?
2.  How many students enroll in each grade, 9 through 12?
3.  What percentage of students who enroll in 9th grade actually graduate from Hyde?  10th grade?  11th grade?  12th grade?  That is, what percentage of students leave Hyde without graduating?
4.  What percentage of Hyde graduates (a) enroll in college, and (b) graduate from college?  How do these percentages compare with national figures?
5.  When Hyde publicizes parent satisfaction data, who do they include in the sample?  Do they include parents who enrolled at Hyde but left, or only those who lasted through graduation (who, obviously, are the people most likely to be satisfied with Hyde)?  Does Hyde stack the deck by including only those who stay at Hyde until the end, or do they include everyone who enrolled?  How honest is Hyde about the data they report?