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« on: August 30, 2006, 11:16:11 PM »
i went to hyde after my first try at sophmore year in public school.  i faied out of public school not because i didn't go but just because i didn't care about life anymore.

so i went to hyde. i entered teh school and repeated my sophmore year and thought the school was ok.  i thought that i would stick it out till i graduated because my mother told me before i even went there that i would have to graduate from there.  so i stuck it out. i kept my nose clean(easy if you can avoid other kids trying to influence you) and entered my junior year.  I had challenging classes(Mr. Rigney) and i had easy classes (spanish)  but i went through junior year.  i was never an athletic person but i have always been wierdly skinny.  so i took up sports and loved them.  again because i was able to avoid other kids trying to pressure my i was able to not get any 530s or 2-4.

it really was simple.
so near the end of my junior year i was trying to apply to become a junior steward and i was told that i didn't lead enough.  so i said to myself, "shit, i have got to put myself out there"  so i led a school meeting and i lead the library.  i learned if you could just say fuck it and not listen to the kids bitching about work(which i hear a lot of kids say that the work load is easy but while at school i heard kids always bitching about how hard it was and tehy had no time)  then it is easy.

so i entered my senior year and helped out in many ways  in the school. becoming a mentor to people and helping those who struggled.  by the end of my senior year i just wanted to leave and go on to college.  but now looking back i miss hyde.  i know i spent a lot of time hating it but hyde helped me out so much because i wanted to change, if you want to change then hyde can help, but don't bitch if you don't want to change.  

so i made it through hyde without getting dirty and was able to staay of 2-4

don't think i didn't have temptations though, i love cigars and an alum was up hanging out with me and i was talking about my love of a good smoke. he then procedes to pull out 4 very nice cigars and asks if i would like to go smoke one with him cause that is where he is headed.  i declined.
so in the end you have a choice, if you realy hate it so much run away
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2006, 06:58:52 AM »
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i went to hyde after my first try at sophmore year in public school.  i faied out of public school not because i didn't go but just because i didn't care about life anymore.

so i went to hyde. i entered teh school and repeated my sophmore year and thought the school was ok.  i thought that i would stick it out till i graduated because my mother told me before i even went there that i would have to graduate from there.  so i stuck it out. i kept my nose clean(easy if you can avoid other kids trying to influence you) and entered my junior year.  I had challenging classes(Mr. Rigney) and i had easy classes (spanish)  but i went through junior year.  i was never an athletic person but i have always been wierdly skinny.  so i took up sports and loved them.  again because i was able to avoid other kids trying to pressure my i was able to not get any 530s or 2-4.

it really was simple.
so near the end of my junior year i was trying to apply to become a junior steward and i was told that i didn't lead enough.  so i said to myself, "shit, i have got to put myself out there"  so i led a school meeting and i lead the library.  i learned if you could just say fuck it and not listen to the kids bitching about work(which i hear a lot of kids say that the work load is easy but while at school i heard kids always bitching about how hard it was and tehy had no time)  then it is easy.

so i entered my senior year and helped out in many ways  in the school. becoming a mentor to people and helping those who struggled.  by the end of my senior year i just wanted to leave and go on to college.  but now looking back i miss hyde.  i know i spent a lot of time hating it but hyde helped me out so much because i wanted to change, if you want to change then hyde can help, but don't bitch if you don't want to change.  

so i made it through hyde without getting dirty and was able to staay of 2-4

don't think i didn't have temptations though, i love cigars and an alum was up hanging out with me and i was talking about my love of a good smoke. he then procedes to pull out 4 very nice cigars and asks if i would like to go smoke one with him cause that is where he is headed.  i declined.
so in the end you have a choice, if you realy hate it so much run away


  Thanks for sharing that.
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« Reply #2 on: August 31, 2006, 09:36:42 AM »
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i went to hyde after my first try at sophmore year in public school.  i faied out of public school not because i didn't go but just because i didn't care about life anymore.

so i went to hyde. i entered teh school and repeated my sophmore year and thought the school was ok.  i thought that i would stick it out till i graduated because my mother told me before i even went there that i would have to graduate from there.  so i stuck it out. i kept my nose clean(easy if you can avoid other kids trying to influence you) and entered my junior year.  I had challenging classes(Mr. Rigney) and i had easy classes (spanish)  but i went through junior year.  i was never an athletic person but i have always been wierdly skinny.  so i took up sports and loved them.  again because i was able to avoid other kids trying to pressure my i was able to not get any 530s or 2-4.

it really was simple.
so near the end of my junior year i was trying to apply to become a junior steward and i was told that i didn't lead enough.  so i said to myself, "shit, i have got to put myself out there"  so i led a school meeting and i lead the library.  i learned if you could just say fuck it and not listen to the kids bitching about work(which i hear a lot of kids say that the work load is easy but while at school i heard kids always bitching about how hard it was and tehy had no time)  then it is easy.

so i entered my senior year and helped out in many ways  in the school. becoming a mentor to people and helping those who struggled.  by the end of my senior year i just wanted to leave and go on to college.  but now looking back i miss hyde.  i know i spent a lot of time hating it but hyde helped me out so much because i wanted to change, if you want to change then hyde can help, but don't bitch if you don't want to change.  

so i made it through hyde without getting dirty and was able to staay of 2-4

don't think i didn't have temptations though, i love cigars and an alum was up hanging out with me and i was talking about my love of a good smoke. he then procedes to pull out 4 very nice cigars and asks if i would like to go smoke one with him cause that is where he is headed.  i declined.
so in the end you have a choice, if you realy hate it so much run away

Sounds like your experience wasn't to terribly bad overall. Did you witness or hear of any of the horrible emotional cruelty, pedophilia, abuse or incompetence that is regularly attributed to Hyde on this site?
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« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2006, 03:42:36 PM »
nope, i saw a kid spit in a teachers face, but the teacher didn't try and harm the kid they were in the middle of an argument.

that was the worst i saw
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« Reply #4 on: September 18, 2006, 07:34:46 PM »
It seems to me that a lot of the posts here against Hyde are from the same people over and over again, often hiding their identity by not logging on.
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« Reply #5 on: September 19, 2006, 04:47:39 PM »
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It seems to me that a lot of the posts here against Hyde are from the same people over and over again, often hiding their identity by not logging on.


A lot of the posts here are the same people over and over again who are proponents of Hyde.  Could even be one person from hyde who writes positive comments
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« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2007, 08:04:55 PM »
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nope, i saw a kid spit in a teachers face, but the teacher didn't try and harm the kid they were in the middle of an argument.

that was the worst i saw


true...that's about it. the worst a teacher did was my sophomore year, Mr. Bowles put a restraining order on this brolic student Adam Freed and didn't tell anybody, so they fired him mid-year. and lots of students spitting in teachers faces without teachers doing anything harmful back.
-Bill Procida '07
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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2007, 02:22:33 PM »
Billy, you must have an incredibly strong neck to carry around such weighty blinders!   :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2007, 11:50:35 AM »
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Billy, you must have an incredibly strong neck to carry around such weighty blinders!   :lol:


When you are there it is difficult not to buy in and have a tasty gulp of Gauld Kool-Aide.  Don't pick on poor Billy, he is just doing the best he can given the cards he has been dealt.  Don't beat the victims.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2007, 01:17:28 PM »
In all seriousness, I could not agree more.  I don't wish to pick on Billy per se, he seems like a good sort, but he has chosen to put himself out there.  And the blinders are simply unbelievable.
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« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2007, 07:28:30 PM »
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In all seriousness, I could not agree more.  I don't wish to pick on Billy per se, he seems like a good sort, but he has chosen to put himself out there.  And the blinders are simply unbelievable.


Hey, I had blinders on too and I was not in my teens like Bill.  I was a parent with my head in the sand!  It can happen especially when you are a desperate parent trying to help your child.

Hyde is pitiful.  The one good thing that came out of my Hyde experience is the desire to help at risk kids.  I am involved in a program in the NY schools.  We give support to these kids in the right manner, not with scare tactics and punishments.  It is done with love and support.  Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down.  There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated.  It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education.  Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
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« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2007, 07:55:37 PM »
I appreciate your comment.  When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too.    And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me.  Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner.  Who knows...

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Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
 The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child.  Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that.  It is later that the shit really hits the fan.  Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that.  It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit.  You can not disrespect a kid more than that.
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« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2007, 10:33:47 PM »
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I appreciate your comment.  When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too.    And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me.  Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner.  Who knows...

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Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
 The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child.  Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that.  It is later that the shit really hits the fan.  Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that.  It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit.  You can not disrespect a kid more than that.


On that same note, I spoke to someone on Fornits whose brother committed suicide at the age of 18 after one of these programs broke him down to nothing.  They did not succeed in building him back up and was found out to be bi polar.  Without the proper medical help, (which hyde does not provide either) he couldn't deal with life and killed himself.  This destroyed not only his life, but the life of everyone around him.  If we could continue to get the word out there, maybe we can save some lives.

Don't give up.  Keep posting and keep getting others to come to this board.  Write your stories and send them to the NEASC as well as the school boards where Hyde has Charter Schools.  Let them know of the "character" behind the administration of Hyde. Let's make a difference!
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« Reply #13 on: March 20, 2007, 01:16:13 AM »
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I appreciate your comment.  When I was Bill's age, I had blinders on too.    And the comment could have been expanded to include not only thick neck, but thick head too, as applied to me.  Maybe if someone had cared enough or bothered enough to make that comment to me, I might have woken up sooner.  Who knows...

Quote from: ""guest""
Hyde is not the only program that needs to be shut down. There are lots of programs like Hyde that need to be regulated. It is very dangerous to send your kid to a program or school that isn't regulated by the department of education. Whether it be a wilderness program, a "character based" school, a therapuetic boarding school, etc, we need to protect our children!
 The problem with these types of places is the premise that thought coercion and behavior modification works and is to the benefit of the child.  Notice that so-called followup studies always evaluate after 2 months or so and then a year, never more than that.  It is later that the shit really hits the fan.  Nobody appreciates having their mind fucked with and there is understandably a certain and expected amount of rage that erupts as a backlash to that.  It is an undeniable assault to the dignity and the autonomy of the human spirit.  You can not disrespect a kid more than that.


I found the following quote on the ISACCORP website.  Really bizarre!!  It was written by Joe Gauld the founder of Hyde Schools.
Since kids - and their parents have been far more immersed in this counter growth culture than has Hyde, Hyde can be far more objective about how to best address the true growth needs of kids. And given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues. We are in a better position than parents to determine a students true best, and further we consider our commitment to help each student realize that best a sacred trust.
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« Reply #14 on: March 20, 2007, 04:13:59 AM »
Okay... ...  this needs to be done at some point... Here's the entire treatise. All punctuation and grammar are entirely his, I was meticulous.

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http://www.isaccorp.org/hyde/joegauldletter01.jpg
http://www.isaccorp.org/hyde/joegauldletter02.jpg

"Isn't Hyde Ever Wrong?"

A Hyde parent, upset with a Hyde decision, asks, "Isn't Hyde ever wrong?"

Of course Hyde is sometimes wrong.  It is a human institution that requires the constant vigil of students, teachers and parents alike.  In fact, Hyde is merely a temporary scaffolding that must be dismantled by graduation, to ensure the student is led in life by conscience and not Hyde--or even parents.  If we both "let go" properly, we should be confident that conscience will only take from Hyde--and parents--what it deems worthy.

However, I think the question implies that maybe the parent and not Hyde knows better about a given situation.  Maybe so, but that is dangerous ground that can ultimately lead to students dismissing all of Hyde, both bad--and good.  This question simply does not respect the role Hyde is supposed to play in the family structure.

The caterpillar depends upon nature's cocoon to become a butterfly.  Similarly, a child must depend upon our human cocoon to be transformed from its initial animal self into a higher human self.  And the true quality of an individual's transformation is determined during childhood-adolescence; seldom if ever do we make major change in ourselves later.

Since society is presently very ignorant about this powerful truth about human growth, the human cocoons we are constructing around our children are sloppy and porous, and often compromise a child's best growth:

  • Society does not realize the depth of a child's animal instincts of self-gratification and subjective fears and desires, and thus doesn't fully help the child transcend them;
  • Families don't recognize their incredibly interwoven nature and how much family dynamics can compromise a child's best growth;
  • Societal and family ignorance have created a huge and powerful youth culture that reaffirms children's animal instincts and resists their human transcendence.
Hyde generally deals with kids who have been unusually influenced by those three factors, and, unfortunately, at a late point in their adolescent gestation period.  So to counter this, Hyde creates a very intensive growth cocoon focused on character development that seeks to help students:  1) transcend their animal instincts; 2) combat negative family dynamics, and 3) create a new youth culture committed to each student's best.

Since kids--and their parents--have been far more immersed in this counter growth culture than has Hyde, Hyde can be far more objective about how to best address the true growth needs of kids.  And given the limited time available, Hyde insists on being the final judge on growth issues.  We are in a better position than parents to determine a student's true best, and further we consider our commitment to help each student realize that best a sacred trust.

So--Yes, we may be wrong, and thus we appreciate all the input we can get.  However in the end, we urge parents that until graduation to defer to Hyde's judgment, not their own.  To instead accept their own judgment becomes a clear statement to their children that the Hyde experience is simply an add-on to old family dynamics, and not a new beginning for the entire family.

If you are wise, you don't second-guess your doctor; you simply find another doctor.  Similarly, question Hyde, but don't second-guess it, simply find another school.

Remember that Hyde is a temporary scaffolding, to be dismantled at graduation.  But if you hope to help your kids internalize Hyde concepts and to develop a life-time strategy to fully make their human transformation, make sure that your leadership fully respects that scaffolding as well.

— Joe Gauld  2/27/02
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