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Str8 and the U.S. Military: Brainwashing correlation??
« on: August 24, 2006, 02:46:14 AM »
The difference is that in the military there is a purpose and some forms of control.  Straight was a self perpetuating entity.  Anyone who was attempting to control it was actually a part of it, and therefore its servant.  I am not saying that the forms of control used in the military are good or bad, having no experience with them personally.  But at least they serve a purpose, and people are moitoring and coordinating they way they work (or don't work) & the way they affect people.  
    None of the executives could have intentionally created this monster as it ended up.  I don't believe they were smart enough.   They just got lucky, (from their perspective.)  And many buisness owners/managers believe, when the money is rolling in, don't fuck with the machine if it is maintaining itself.  [/u][/b]
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« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2006, 02:46:48 AM »
Since I have been out of Straight....i have contstant nightmares that I am stuck back in there and can't get out to take care of my kids...I also have panic attacks that I never had before....they NEVER built you back up...they ripped your pride, dignity and anything else they could get for you to allow them to be in total control of you.  I will never allow this bullshit to happen to my kids.
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Re: No they knew exactly what they were doing
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2006, 03:13:15 AM »
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THEY WERE WORKING FOR THE GOVERNMENT.  It is on the internet if you do enough research you will find that out for yourself.  They knew exactly what they were doing.  At least at the senior levels.  The Director of Psychiatry was a government employee. I appreciate your response, but I think you may be missing my point.  Our "government" is not one united front.  There are many factions, many causes, and many, many, fiefdoms.


There is no doubt that there is government involvement.  I was in St Pete at the time of the HRS inspections (strangley I was always removed from group,) when they were told to back off.  Not to mention the ambassadorships, etc.  And the government is nothing close to united.  But what would be the purpose, on any level, of letting this go on, other than for profit?  I have always thought the government connections were there for self-preservation.  And I am not sayingthat at a senior level they didn't know what was going on, just that they weren't particuarilly in control of it.
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Str8 and the U.S. Military: Brainwashing correlation??
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2006, 03:15:43 AM »
I think you're kind of right, there did seem to be some "momentum" going on at Straight.......not that the Exces couldn't have stopped the abuses, just that they couldn't conceive of it being any other way.
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« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2006, 03:17:04 AM »
Or didn't give a shit, as long as the insurance was good...
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« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2006, 03:18:31 AM »
well, as long as the money's coming in and more kids are in group, everything's OK, right?
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« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2006, 04:05:37 AM »
Oh, no shit, you're right that this kinda data thrills the shit out of MilIntel types, that and the Stanford Expirament, I mean, you wanna know how to A) break the enemy soldiers you capture and have them willingly cooperate with you and B) see how you can keep your own soldiers/spies/etc. from being subject to the same results if they are captured.

I don't think that proves Straight was "run by the govt", though, I think they already got all the data they needed from Stanford, Synanon, the Seed, and People's Temple.  Straight was just the "private sector" putting those techniques to use, I believe.  Sure, they had some political types in the organization, but like you said earlier, "the Gov't" is made up of several little fiefdoms, it is a bureuacracy, one hand doesn't always know what the other is doing.....
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« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2006, 04:11:50 AM »
either way, using those techniques on teenagers as a form of "therapy" is the work of a pretty sick fuck.
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« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2006, 04:18:07 AM »
I'm not sayin gthey were, I just think it can't be emphasized enough.


Back to the topic at hand, do you have any tangeable, credible evidence that Straight was anything other than a privately-run and -owned (admittedly with ties to influential political figures) business?  I mean, I hear conspiracy theories all the time, I just can't see the purpose behind it, the methods were already shown to work.....why continue expirementing?  Greed, on the other hand, knowws no bounds, and a sick and unscrupulous type could use those methods for profit quite easily:  low overhead, a constant supply of druggie kids, donated food, endorsements by the President of the US, etc.
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Str8 and the U.S. Military: Brainwashing correlation??
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2006, 04:24:06 AM »
Quote from: ""RTP2003""
I'm not sayin gthey were, I just think it can't be emphasized enough.


Back to the topic at hand, do you have any tangeable, credible evidence that Straight was anything other than a privately-run and -owned (admittedly with ties to influential political figures) business?  I mean, I hear conspiracy theories all the time, I just can't see the purpose behind it, the methods were already shown to work.....why continue expirementing?  Greed, on the other hand, knowws no bounds, and a sick and unscrupulous type could use those methods for profit quite easily:  low overhead, a constant supply of druggie kids, donated food, endorsements by the President of the US, etc.


This is pretty much my theory, ignorant and careless greed...
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« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2006, 04:50:14 AM »
They were a current or former DoD employee?  Hmmmm....
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« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2006, 04:54:43 AM »
I have a hard time believing Straight wasn't financially successful, I mean, they had extremely low overhead, and when I was in group, about 200 kids at any given time, plus they were always doing fundraisers, etc.
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« Reply #12 on: August 24, 2006, 05:00:31 AM »
My point is that ex-DoD employees can be found in all kinds of positions, and serving as a rubber-stamp for rent (I'm sure his job required little or no actual interaction with clients) seems like a position that a retired DoD type might take.  I'm waiting for your proof that this was anything more sinister than greed gone wild in a relatively unregulated industry.
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« Reply #13 on: August 24, 2006, 05:11:21 AM »
Now that is of some interest, still, it isn't hard, incontrovertible evidence that Straight was some kind of government-backed sociological expirament.  Maybe he was reporting to HEW or the state HRS?  I heard the same rumors of government sociological studies being done on the LSD scene around the Grateful Dead tours in the 80s, so forgive me if I am overly skeptical.
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« Reply #14 on: August 24, 2006, 08:56:43 AM »
Being taken down in Straight, there was no yelling out," MEDIC" and getting any help!
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