Author Topic: More bullshit advice from ST (Read 41203 times)

Anonymous · « **Reply #285 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:02:12 AM »

I've c/p a lot of shit from there but now when I tried I got this message.

Function disabled.

:question:

Anonymous · « **Reply #286 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:03:22 AM »

How come I could do it before and now all of a sudden that shows up?

Troll Control · « **Reply #287 on:** October 18, 2006, 09:35:30 AM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

::bwahaha2::

Galen
Member 5327

Our first visit to our son at TBS is coming up in November. My husband will be going alone as we have a 14 yr old at home who is busy with the applications process for private high school next year. We also think that our ds would try to wear me down and manipulate me. I?m the weakest link in the family (we will all be visiting ds in December)

Our son has also been gone from home since July?six weeks at wc and now over a month at TBS. Our son will talk to us for our weekly phone calls, but he hasn?t had a pleasant thing to say. He is still so angry, and all he does is complain. He is VERY negative. We haven?t seen any kind of progress or improvement of any kind yet. He hasn?t accepted his placement and is still in denial about any problems or issues he might have.

I know we are in the early stages but I sometimes wonder if ds will come around and/or get anything at all out of his program at TBS.

BTW, part of the reason he is at TBS in the first place is because of his highly negative attitude towards life, extreme irritability and unwillingness to accept responsibility for his own poor choices.

He also seemed far more negative than the other kids when he graduated wc. He could ?talk the talk? when the therapists and counselors were around but he clearly never bought into the program and was just doing what he had to do to get out. We had a very difficult overnight solo with him, filled with his constant complaining and arguing. The trip from wc to TBS wasn?t THAT bad, as long as the subject of school didn?t come up?

But, once again, it seems like our son just isn?t progressing like the other kids?although he isn?t getting into trouble or ?out of agreement? like some of the others, either?and it has crossed my mind that some of the other kids might be ?faking it?, whereas our ds is more honest with us?

The school has prepared us for the typical manipulations that the kids will try to use on the first visit, in letters, and on the phone. Our ds has tried all of them so far! We are expecting a fairly stormy visit and the school has already told us that the visits can be very draining for all concerned.

We are expecting these kind of reactions and manipulations from our son, but we are hoping for some signs of progress or at least forward momentum. I just wonder if that will happen?.and how long we might have to wait.

Galen.

Oh, really, Galen? Program isn't working, huh? What a surprise. :roll:

I think this moron has sent several kids to programs, too.

Anonymous · « **Reply #288 on:** October 18, 2006, 10:41:14 AM »

As Niles said, it's a stupid Javascript trick. Get Firefox, turn it off. Anyone in the least familiar with computers can do it. So long as he leaves the forum open for public viewing, anyone can still C&P from there. Control+C also works.

I hope Galen's kid kills her with a long slash across the throat. When the blood pours into her lungs, that's how she'll know he means it.

Anonymous · « **Reply #289 on:** October 18, 2006, 11:53:59 AM »

They tried anyway.. Didn't work!! Fuck you LON EAT MY BALLS BIG BOI!

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posted October 17, 2006 11:45 AMOctober 17, 2006 11:45 AM

I do know what you are a saying, but what exactly can i tell the police? That he, like Margot's daughter, won't tidy after himself? Watches me struggle to keep house and walks behind me and destroys it? They'll laugh at me!

The worst part about it is I have to keep alot from the police because they are reporting every incident in my house to my landlord, they are working with them to build up a case against me, they too want us out of the neighbourhood, can't blame them, it's a nightmare living around my family although there are plenty of younger kids here who are 10 times worse

For example a dog training outing was arranged for last weekend by our village bobby, he wanted all the 'naughty' kids to go so they had something to focus on, as time grew nearer, my boys didn't get an invitation, I called and caled this officer to ask what was going on, to this day he still won't answer my calls, they were the only children in the entire village who didn't go, I felt absolutely devestated, my boys were realy upset, they have little self esteem as it is and now it's on the floor, they also have the attitude now that the police can 'kiss their arse' and I don't blame them!

Right now I feel very alone, I am alone with these children with no living relatives except a brother who wants nothing to do with me as he is one of these ppl who is above every one else, I also feel that the whole world's against me, right now a psychiatric ward sounds like a restful place to be....and I'm definitely not one to feel sorry for myself, but right now I do, I am so stuck between keeping a roof over our heads and being able to do anything about regaining control that I don't know where to turn, I'm simply in a lose lose situation, I don't think I've cried so much in my life as I have the last few days (my baby, my 13 yr old called me a ****-ing Biatch yesterday, that broke my heart, he has always told his 14 yr old brother how he hates him when he says that sort of thing, and now he does it? Unexpected or what? Now that is learnt behaviour passed down from the 19 yr old to the 14 yr and now to the 13 yr old)

Even when I go to my refuge (my horse) it's turned nasty there, everything seems to be my fault, my horses fault, I'm getting the cold shoulder & general grief, I wish that everyone would just get off my back for one whole day and be pleasant to me, I've never broken the law, I've never done anyone any harm, I'm a really good friend, yet it always seems to be me everyone wants to have a go at (sounds paranoid I know, but I assure you it really is like that)
You are all right in what you say - and I know it's what I should do, but how? How does one see their child albeit a 19 yr old one out on the street in the bitter cold? He really has nowhere to go but here
I'm just banging my head against a brick wall basically arghhhhhhhh

Margot - I wish you all the best, don't be too dissapointed at your daughter's relapse, if we had that magic wand we'd wave it, you're daughter at least is in a place where she can be given a chance and she's trying to do that - let's hope no matter how many relapses she has, that eventually she'll come through with the support she's getting
Boy if these kids could be inside our minds for a day they'd never do any of this to us ever again...........

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Help help help help help ......

Troll Control · « **Reply #290 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:39:51 PM »

KimzMom
Member
Member # 3503

posted October 13, 2006 10:54 AM

I am so glad that "curious outsider" has solved
the Nature vs. Nurture debate.

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curious outsider
Member
Member # 5222

posted October 14, 2006 07:38 AM

To the person who mentioned that their kids
programme had a parental seminar component-
What did the seminars consist of?
What was the most or least useful tool you took
out of it?
How specifically did it help the whole family
including the kid at the TBS to communicate and
function more effectively?

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mose
Member
Member # 2980

posted October 14, 2006 07:57 AM

What I specifically took away from family therapy
when my daughter was in a residential placement
was to learn how to have an excellent bull&hit
detector. "Curious Outsiders" do not realize we
know their game, we know how to read that he was
baiting us, and critical of the choices we made.

Does he think we are morons that live under a rock
and have not examined our relationships and causes
with a microscope? That process is private and not
fodder for him dissect for the amusement of
another website.

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WillieNelson
Member
Member # 5254

posted October 14, 2006 08:21 AM

Good, Mose. Curious and trolling, what do you
expect us to say? Oh-the parental seminars taught
us new ways to neglect our children should they
ever be allowed to return to our homes.
Just in case there is someone who might actually
be interested in the answer to this question, many
of the parent workshops are designed to show the
parents the therapeutic tools that are used with
the kids. They have "mini" workshops based on the
one and two day workshops the kids do. Parents
learn how the teens get to a place where they feel
safe and allow themselves to be vulnerable enough
to express their pain and discuss the truth about
their lives with their peers and counselors. A lot
of denial has to be broken down (in gentle and
not-so-gentle ways). Kids are good at calling each
other on their bull&hit and teens often accept
this from a peer when they wouldn't from an adult.
Parents learn how the approaches many of us took
with our teens led to lies and arguments and
weren't productive. Parents are helped to deal
with our own grief at the breakdown in our
families and our dreams for our kids.

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curious outsider
Member
Member # 5222

posted October 14, 2006 05:50 PM

why is raising these questions seen as trolling?
Surely if you feel that this child's school had
helped the whole family then these are reasonable
questions to ask? Would you rather me lie and say
that i am a concerned parent?
If i were trolling I would not be upfront about
where I were coming from. I find it interesting
that when i have posed these questions there has
been defensiveness and hostility in some of the
responses.
Given that many TBS schools differ from average
private schools in that they are for profit
ventures It is reasonable to ask these questions.
Afterall they have a vested financial interest in
your childrens problems so it is prident to
question sepcifically what help the kid is getting
and how the parents are being assisted in their
own parenting.

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WillieNelson
Member
Member # 5254

posted October 14, 2006 05:54 PM

It's trolling because you really don't care about
the answers. You are just baiting people. Why are
you so interested?

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curious outsider
Member
Member # 5222

posted October 14, 2006 07:09 PM

As i have stated quite openly previously i am
looking to write a book on the industry. Part of
this involves asking difficult questions.
Why would this be seen as problematic? I would
think you would want to describe the benefits to
the whole family. Particularly since the decision
to send a child to TBS is frequently described as
a difficult, expensive thing to do.

[ October 14, 2006, 07:11 PM: Message edited by:
curious outsider ]

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WillieNelson
Member
Member # 5254

posted October 14, 2006 07:53 PM

You aren't going to be writing a book unless you
have a whole team of editors.

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KimzMom
Member
Member # 3503

posted October 16, 2006 04:52 AM

Curuious Insider.. I find it interesting you
indicate your in Austrailia however your IP
indicates your in California.

[ October 16, 2006, 04:52 AM: Message edited by:
KimzMom ]

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WillieNelson
Member
Member # 5254

posted October 16, 2006 05:00 AM

And he is an accountant who is going to write a
book. More like a 22 year old in California
looking to bait parents.....

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curious outsider
Member
Member # 5222

posted October 16, 2006 02:33 PM

why is a difficult question such a threat? Why do
you feel "bated"?

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WillieNelson
Member
Member # 5254

posted October 16, 2006 04:54 PM

Why do you claim to be an accountant in Australia
when you can't even spell "baited" right?

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KimzMom
Member
Member # 3503

posted October 18, 2006 05:18 AM

Difficult question?? Author?? I think NOT!!

You must have missed journalism 101.

quote:

Originally posted by curious outsider:
What emphasis do most therapudic boarding
schools and residential treatment centres place
on parenting skills for the wider family?
Afterall kids dont act out or develop problems
severe enough to be isolated from their
community and family for extended periods of
time on their own.

Your SECOND statement AFTER your question gives
you away.. An author or journalist would NEVER
follow a question with an OPINIONATED statement.

Like I originally said, if you have solved the
nature vs. nurture debate, you deserve a nobel
prize! Psycologists have been trying to solve it
for years.. I learned that in my first year!

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Hey, Jena, you hypocritical fucking loser, why is it that your posters Willie and Mose can assail other posters with personal insults and not be banned?

Especially in light of some of the excuses, er, reasons, you give nwhen banning anyone who disagrees with you???

Please explain, bitch. Many would like to know.

Anonymous · « **Reply #291 on:** October 18, 2006, 02:57:00 PM »

Your forum, your rules. Our forum, our rules. I don't like what you do to hurt, insult and slander people on fornits, so you are not welcome to troll ST using an alias. Tough shit, Sherlock.
Love and kisses.
Jena, Lon and crew

Troll Control · « **Reply #292 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:01:02 PM »

To: "Jena Martin"
CC: lon@woodbury.com

Gee, Jena, I have really nowhere to go with this, do I? It's unfortunate that you choose to stereotype me based on your false assumptions about my education. It is a shame that someone who is in the business of moderating internet fora could be so obtuse about the facts.

I think what you have presented is simply an awkward attempt to justify the behaviors of others in an effort to discriminate agianst me. It is unfortunate that you would be this way, especially for someone in your position of moderator, whom one would assume would be objective and even-handed. Sadly, you are neither objective nor even-handed.

It is noteworthy to mention that one of the posters you favored with leniency, WillieNelson, has only a few posts to his/her credit - several are vituperous personal attacks against me and Katfish - and is not a "long time poster" as you describe below. Your quote: "New posters who immediately begin to post inappropriately are banned." This is an obvious prevarication and is completely false. Within his/her first dozen posts WillieNelson made nasty comments about both Katfish and me, yet, I suppose not surprisingly, you broke your own stated policy and allowed Willie to continue posting as well as allowing the insults to remain on the board. Can you explain why you are willing to break your own stated policy as long as the poster in question is attacking someone who you disagree with? I'd like to hear the answer.

Why would you choose not to be truthful about your motivations, Jena? Clearly, you did not "nudge" a "frequent poster" to toe the line, rather, you gave blanket acceptance for the reprehensible garbage of a new poster who espouses your belief system. This is quite obviously a decision based on politics over substance. I hope you can see that, but my hopes are most likely misplaced.

Obviously, Jena, by your own words, you have discriminated against me because you believe I don't agree with you. This is the hallmark of small-minded people. Simply because you have the ability to shut off discussion not to your liking, you have prohibited me from posting, but the person who "did it first" (by your own admission), continues to be showered with your acceptance. Jena, you are are a hypocrite.

I see, as you stated, your reputation means nothing to you and this is buttressed by your blatant discrimination against those who do not believe as you do.

Your father must be very proud of raising a hypocritical bigot, Jena.

Good luck. I hope in the future your heart will be opened to tolerance, as we have enough prejudiced people in the world already.

Take care.
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Jena Martin wrote:

(forwarded exchange to daddy, Lon)

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To: Jena Martin
Sent: Tuesday, October 3, 2006 9:57:43 AM
Subject: Re: Your Posts at Strugglingteens.com

Jena,

My behavior was to respond in kind to epithets hurled at me by two other posters. I will be glad to provide evidence for my claims, but I cannot post those studies or my rebuttal of other studies due to the fact that you selectively censored me. Given the oppportunity, I will provide ample evidence to support my assertions. That should be the end of that discussion.
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Jena editorializes:

You may provide that evidence of the studies to me and I will restore those posts. Here is your opportunity and if you actually had the evidence, or actually wished to present it, you would be sending all that along. Since you aren't, I must conclude that no such evidence exists or you do not wish to back up your claims with facts.
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However, you still have not removed posts that are degrading to me and to the user Katfish, choosing insted to allow other posters to degrade us and our character with absolutely no evidence, only their own personal assumptions (which, you have made quite clear to me, the board does not allow) and ad hominem fallacies. Jena, please tell me why you have chosen to selectively censor me while giving a free pass to obvious violaters of your policies. This behavior illustrates exactly the point I made in my first post: your site has an agenda to quash any and all information that doesn't support your foregone conclusions about behavioral health care.
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Jena editorializes:

You resorted to posting nothing but trash as soon as someone challeneged your claims by asking for cites of what you posted. I took out the trash. That is pretty simple.

If you find some posts degrading to you, then perhaps you would be better served by not reading them.

Do not attempt to pull Katfish into your arguments. Katfish has been on the forums for quite some time and is successful in saying what she wants to say. She is successful because she posts in a mature, responsible fashion. If you really want to say what you want to say, then perhaps you should take a lesson from her, rather than trying to drag her into the mess you created.
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You may wish to treat me as a child and "box me in" with your insistence that only my behavior is subject to scrutiny, but you have irreparably damaged you own image and credibility by so doing. If you cannot see this, then maybe you should have someone who is capable of neutrality moderate your discussion forum.
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Jena editorializes:

My "image" is not something I am worried about. Your thoughts on my credibility do not keep me up at night. It is my policy to warn long time posters if they edge over the line. Long term posters have established themselves by following the rules for a long time. Warning them is appropriate. New posters who immediately begin to post inappropriately are banned. New posters who flame from the beginning make it clear that their agenda is to disrupt the forums and I will not tolerate that.
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I am hereby officially requesting that you restore my account and discipline users mose and WillieNelson for attacking other posters. Your failure to do so will cement the notion that StrugglingTeens is a shill for the program industry that is incapable of fair, level, grounded debate of the facts.
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Jena editorializes:

Wow, is that a jump to conclusions, but such jumps are common in those who seek to prove their agenda, regardless of the facts.

I still have no cites to back up your claims.
You have not given an adequate explanation for posting your own trash, other than a juvenile "They did it first!".
You have not given any kind of indication that you will not immediately repeat your offending behavior once restored.

I officially decline to restore your posting privledges.

I would hope that a parent would have more maturity, but then there are no requirements for parenthood, other than the possession of the appropriate organs, so I guess I can't expect too much there.
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Jena Martin wrote:
NonProphet,

Your behavior resulted in the actions taken against you. If you wish to discuss your behavior, I will be happy to do so.

Jena Martin
Forum Moderator

----- Original Message ----

To: Jena Martin
Sent: Sunday, October 1, 2006 6:40:47 AM
Subject: Re: Your Posts at Strugglingteens.com

I'm assuming the posters "WillieNelson" and "mose" have been similarly banned?

They did absolutely nothing but attack me and make various insults and assumptions. I never got to speak to the issues because mose and Willie jacked the thread with personal insults.

Why are you disciplining me, but not them? I don't understand the double-standard.
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Jena Martin wrote:
Dear Non Prophet,

I have edited or removed numerous posts from the Strugglingteens.com forums. They are copied below.

There were various reasons for editing or removing them, including hostile personal attacks and inflammatory posts. Those posts are gone forever.

You made claims regarding studies and research. You were asked to provide the cites for those studies by other posters. Now I am asking. If you can provide the cites, I will restore those posts, with the cites included. If you cannot provide cites, I will assume that these posts are nothing but inflammatory rhetoric, with no validity in fact and they will not be restored.

You claim to have much experience with programs. I would be interested to know exactly what it is that you are a practioner of, and what your experience is, regarding teen help programs. I have found that credible "practioners" or those with experience within the teen help industry are very forthcoming with their creditentials and history. If you can provide more information I may restore some of these posts.
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Your ability to post messages on the Strugglingteens.com forum has been removed. This was done as your posts continued to descend into a tirad of tiresome personal attacks. It is a shame too, because I think there have been some good discussions on the forums recently from dissenters of programs. These discussions are always welcome, when they are conducted with courtesy and respect. You are not conducting yourself as such, hence your removal from the forums.

It is possible to debate and discuss these issues in a civilized manner. I do think that they are important topics that need to be addressed, yet sadly so many who attempt to bring them to Strugglingteens.com, do so in such a manner as yourself. It doesn't work and it stifles discussion and leads to further ignorance and misunderstandings. I think that is a shame, but I will not allow these forums to be over-run with trolls and flame wars.

Jena Martin
Forum Moderator
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Yes you will, Jena. You will allow anyone who shares your beliefs to troll relentlessly and to personally slam any poster who disagrees with you.

I wonder if those morons Willie and Mose know that you use them as unwitting tools, Jena? I guess it's a good job for both of them because they are tools after all.....

Anonymous · « **Reply #293 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:06:29 PM »

HaHa- Jena, Willie and Mose OWN you Nonprophet.

Anonymous · « **Reply #294 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:09:36 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

HaHa- Jena, Willie and Mose OWN you Nonprophet.

You sound like a fifteen year old, pimple faced boy, trash talking others on gaming forums in order feel that blip of self-esteem that only shows itself when you make fun of others.

Troll Control · « **Reply #295 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:10:44 PM »

Then you have Willie and this other dumb cunt desperate to out a "troll." They go on to say that "curious outsider" is a "22 year old from California baiting parents" and "you say you're from Australia, but your IP is from California."

Dumb cunt and dickhead Willie, see below:

IP Address Country (Short) Country (Full) Flag Region City ISP Map
124.177.241.118 AU AUSTRALIA NORTHERN TERRITORY DARWIN TELSTRAINTERNET44

So, geniuses, please do tell how Darwin, Norther Territories, Australia, is somehow contained in California.

Oh, and Jena, why don't you clean up the personal attacks and lies of these posters? Oh yeah. Because you only suppress information that you don't believe supports your twisted logic.

ZenAgent · « **Reply #296 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:13:22 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

Your forum, your rules. Our forum, our rules. I don't like what you do to hurt, insult and slander people on fornits, so you are not welcome to troll ST using an alias. Tough shit, Sherlock.
Love and kisses.
Jena, Lon and crew

Right, exactly. This is an open forum, yours is closed, rigid and wrong. You and your crew can kiss my righteous ass. ST goons have the morals and values of a gutter slut.

Anonymous · « **Reply #297 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:14:33 PM »

Remember these people do not just censor their forums, they censor their own thoughts. They believe they are self-righteous while working only to protect their income source. It's that simple, they want their damn money for reccomending child prisons, what's so complicated about that? :roll: ::puke::

Troll Control · « **Reply #298 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:20:23 PM »

Quote from: ""Guest""

HaHa- Jena, Willie and Mose OWN you Nonprophet.

I think it's hilarious to see this loser troll gloat over the bad behavior of Struggling Parents.

Hey, cunt, why do you cry then when people here make fun of SP's and you in particular?

For all to see: The Abject Double Lives Led by Program Parents

You and your ilk are what's wrong with your kids, lady. It's a shame that you are even a parent, given your moral bankruptcy.

If your kid did what Mose and Willie did, you'd ship him off to a program for being "defiant." You are so transparent. You're not fooling anyone.

ZenAgent · « **Reply #299 on:** October 18, 2006, 03:22:01 PM »

Pimps. EdCons are a bunch of pimps, prostituting kids and making a living off their misery. Lon, you're a whore monger. Retire. Fade away. Rot.

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