More bullshit advice from ST

[Nihilanthic]

Funny, instead of face the facts they bring up and debunk them (like these 'raging' people do with the assertions made by the other side...) you simply attack them and resort to schoolyard name-calling and ad-hominem attacks by any other name, and imply they're insane or 'raging'.

But the thing is, even if they are what you call them, the facts are the facts, be they spoke by a madman, a genius, a saint, or an atheist... so why not try to debunk the facts instead of playing shoot the messenger?

Cuz they know they can't.  Sad really, but very telling.

It just occured to me... having the "incrowd" on fornits on Dennis Miller would make for one hell of an amusing episode

[Anonymous]

Bill Maher.  :smokin:

[Nihilanthic]

Just give me a few mins with the both of them and you'll have a triumverate of awesome.

Oh and TSW can come when hes done banging Korean women and lady-boys.  :rofl:

[Anonymous]

I'd pay thousands to see DJ or Aardvark on the Bill O'Reilly Show.

[Anonymous]

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[Anonymous]

Farker.

[ZenAgent]

Arguing with the ST crew reminds me of mixing it up with the moral majority.   Present them with anything that goes against their beliefs and they stick their fingers in their ears and sing "what a friend we have in Jesus," or shake their heads with that smug holier than thou attitude Falwell does so well.  

I wouldn't mind hearing more about regulation of facilities, although I think they need to be stamped out altogether in their current form.  I can't buy the "So a few kids die, mine was saved from death or prison," number. Over a hundred dead kids (that we know of) implies something is seriously wrong with behavior modification programs.
Perhaps it's the all-inclusive nature of these facilities, although they would deny it.  Are these places the "last resort" or a gentle nudge for the emotionally troubled?  When you throw them all together, what happens?  

Some programs require patients to initiate three "confrontations" a day to move up to the next level.  A confrontation means denouncing a peer for an infraction of the rules.  If the kids are supposed to be looking inward, why are they required to confront others?  I imagine a fair amount of inventing and lying goes on just to meet the quota.  It seems wrong to demand the kids to be perfidious.  Also, "confrontation" by lying is something that comes easily to some of these kids.  They'll single out a peer for persecution.

[ZenAgent]

Also, whenever I see "BM" used by a programee, I can't help but think of it as a euphemism for "shit". I have noticed I tend to want to excoriate these programees and EdCons, but when they say this isn't the forum for recognizing non-abusive, forward-thinking facilities, I think it's because they're not aware of any or don't represent any.  Okay, I've been accused of being to "emotionally involved" and "angry" to engage in discussion of better programs.  How about I offer up my knowledge of one, and I'm not afraid to name it.  Sheppard Pratt in MD is a fine facility that I would recommend to anyone.  It is more expensive than most, but the kids' stays are shorter. Sheppard Pratt would be the model program to base new facilities on after we wipe the slate clean of the brutal and sometimes lethal programs out there now.  A NATSAP seal on a website should be a sign to a parent to look elsewhere.

[FLCLcowdude]

Your son sounds so willing but might need a better place then home to finish growing up, a safe place he can learn to be a man.

What the fuck. That Be a Man thing is useless. That is their excuess for, "I can't find anything wrong with my kid so I will ship him off to God knows where so I can get rid of him" He who is sinless can judge, whoever else, Fuck off...

My 2 Cents,

FLCLcowdude

[Anonymous]

Arguing with the ST crew reminds me of mixing it up with the moral majority.   Present them with anything that goes against their beliefs and they stick their fingers in their ears and sing "what a friend we have in Jesus," or shake their heads with that smug holier than thou attitude Falwell does so well.  

I wouldn't mind hearing more about regulation of facilities, although I think they need to be stamped out altogether in their current form.  I can't buy the "So a few kids die, mine was saved from death or prison," number. Over a hundred dead kids (that we know of) implies something is seriously wrong with behavior modification programs.
Perhaps it's the all-inclusive nature of these facilities, although they would deny it.  Are these places the "last resort" or a gentle nudge for the emotionally troubled?  When you throw them all together, what happens?  

Some programs require patients to initiate three "confrontations" a day to move up to the next level.  A confrontation means denouncing a peer for an infraction of the rules.  If the kids are supposed to be looking inward, why are they required to confront others?  I imagine a fair amount of inventing and lying goes on just to meet the quota.  It seems wrong to demand the kids to be perfidious.  Also, "confrontation" by lying is something that comes easily to some of these kids.  They'll single out a peer for persecution.

That may as well read arguing with the fornits crew reminds me of mixing it up with the moral majority.   Present them with anything that goes against their beliefs and they stick their fingers in their ears and sing "what a friend we have in Jesus," or shake their heads with that smug holier than thou attitude Falwell does so well.  

As for the rest of the pronouncement, there are any number of places that do not require any "confrontations", and many who will not just accept any check from any willing parent.  Yeah, some rotten places exist.  There are some lousy diners, too.  Even tainted spinach.  So when do you quit eating veggies?

[ZenAgent]

At least Fornits is open and you are welcome to post here without the risk of being banned for voicing criticism of the programs so many people are being referred to on StrugglingTeens.  I've seen parents referred to the "rotten places" you claim exist.  The posters on Fornits are not naive and worried parents looking for a "fix" for their troubled teen, they are people who have suffered as patients or parents of kids in what I consider to be more than "rotten" facilities.  The premise of Fornits is to discuss the worst programs in the troubled teen industry, and our experiences with them.  

This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.

Your viewpoints are welcome, why not discuss any programs you find less "rotten"?

"Yeah, some rotten places exist."   You admit it, and those are the ones we are addressing, and we're calling them out by name.  As far as lousy diners go, I read reviews and learn which ones to avoid.  We try to offer our experiences so other parents will at least look more carefully into a program, instead of relying on the advice of EdCons and slick, misleading websites.

I guess you didn't read my other post, or chose to ignore it.  I wrote
"How about I offer up my knowledge of one(truly therapeutic RTC), and I'm not afraid to name it. Sheppard Pratt in MD is a fine facility that I would recommend to anyone. It is more expensive than most, but the kids' stays are shorter,"  That doesn't sound like someone close-minded to the idea of truly therapeutic facilities, does it?  I even named it.

Would StrugglingTeens consider addressing the facilities you know to be "rotten"?  You admit they exist, but would you openly name them on StrugglingTeens?  With over 100 kids dead, I think you should feel obliged to encourage parents looking for help to avoid the programs you know to be abusive and rotten.

[Nihilanthic]

They cant list any good program becuase the kind of programs they like arent the 'good ones'.

The kinds they like are the kinds that enable controlfreak assholes and munchausen by proxy assholes to have their way, and make money with ponzi schemes like the sort the average Ed-Con is in on.

Yeah, good TREATMENT exists, but a "program" as you and me refer to is jsut a easy way of saying "a fucked up shady place that doesnt give any therapy or treatment, its just a BITE model thought reform/re-education/brainwashing hellhole that uses fucked up stepcraft-synanon nonsense and other debunked or just outright abusive techniques to gain submission and control over the children in them".

Damn, what a mouthfull?

But yeah. There is good treatment, residential and otherwise. There are no good "programs" because by definition, they're not. So, I'd say they cant list a "good program" becuase they dont want to face scrutiny, or theyre just saying one MUST exist, but cant name one.

Also, Id like to be the first to call the ensuing semantic debate... thats pretty inevitable IMHO.

[Anonymous]

You can't copy anything from the ST forums anymore.   :rofl:  :roll:

[Anonymous]

ORLY?

Terry_MO
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   Icon 1 posted October 02, 2006 03:23 AM      Profile for Terry_MO   Email Terry_MO       Edit/Delete Post  When a xxxx escort drugged and raped a girl, Denise Woodberry was the Boundary County Prosecuting Attorney. Though the rapist, Armstrong, was clearly guilty. He was not prosecuted by Woodberry, why?

I read about this case it was proven that he did the crime why no prosicution?

exhausted
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   Icon 1 posted October 02, 2006 04:04 AM      Profile for exhausted   Email exhausted   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post  I do know it is extremely difficult to prove rape, often the victim showers or delays seeking medical help - often the assailant will admit to intercourse but argues she (or he) consented, it's up to the girl to prove otherwise, when two people are having sex, there's rarely anyone else around, so it's her word against his

This is why so many rapes go unreprted, the system sucks big time and very little sympathy is given to the victim, that works both ways, here in the UK a man has just served 5 years for a rape he did not commit, the young lady in question is a serial 'rape crier' it's a real shame there are ppl like her about because she has ruined this mans life - it doesn't matter if he gets an honourable pardon, the seed of doubt has been sewn and others will always be apprehensive of him 'just in case'

You will never get the full details of what happened to this girl, or what happened during the case to cause this outcome...it's sad, but unfortunately not uncommon
It makes you angry inside I know.....

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WillieNelson
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   Icon 1 posted October 02, 2006 04:54 AM      Profile for WillieNelson   Email WillieNelson   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post  Without having all the evidence, it is hard to tell if someone is clearly guilty, as you state. Perhaps he was, but perhaps the prosecuting attorney had information that was not revealed in the press or reports.

Lon
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   Icon 1 posted October 02, 2006 08:58 AM      Profile for Lon   Author's Homepage   Email Lon   Send New Private Message       Edit/Delete Post  Terry_MO:

You seem to consistently bring up these old half-truths. In this case the facts are:
1. The "girl" in question was middle age, about Armstrong's age, and working as an escort with Armstrong.
2. They had been living together for some time.
3. She filed a civil case against Armstrong.
4. The local police investigated to see if any crime had been committed.
5. The "girl" refused to cooperate with the police so they could not make a recommendation to the prosecutor Denise Woodbury.
6. A prosecutor can only take action if there is an investigation and recommendation by the police.
7. It was largely a contract dispute, with rape and drugging issues thrown in.
8. The jury came out in favor of the "girl".
9. The attorney for her never contacted the Boundary County prosecutor nor made any move to make this a criminal issue.
10. The attorney for her later was convicted of a felony, indicating his ethics might have been challenged.

I am closing this thread off from further discussion.

Lon
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ROFLROFLROFL WUT CTRL + C?!??!?! ROFL ROFL ROFL IDIOTS.

OMG RIGHT CLICK JAVA SCRIPT "function disabled" LOL!!!

You cant "disable the function" of the CLIENT WEB BROWSER... from their forum. Its not like its a FORUM FUNCTION its built into the BROWSER. You can ctrl+c or do the unthinkable... turn off javascript. rofl.

Also, LOL.

[Anonymous]

::bwahaha2::

Galen
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Our first visit to our son at TBS is coming up in November.  My husband will be going alone as we have a 14 yr old at home who is busy with the applications process for private high school next year.  We also think that our ds would try to wear me down and manipulate me.  I?m the weakest link in the family (we will all be visiting ds in December)

Our son has also been gone from home since July?six weeks at wc and now over a month at TBS.  Our son will talk to us for our weekly phone calls, but he hasn?t had a pleasant thing to say.  He is still so angry, and all he does is complain.  He is VERY negative.  We haven?t seen any kind of progress or improvement of any kind yet.  He hasn?t accepted his placement and is still in denial about any problems or issues he might have.

I know we are in the early stages but I sometimes wonder if ds will come around and/or get anything at all out of his program at TBS.

BTW, part of the reason he is at TBS in the first place is because of his highly negative attitude towards life, extreme irritability and unwillingness to accept responsibility for his own poor choices.

He also seemed far more negative than the other kids when he graduated wc.  He could ?talk the talk? when the therapists and counselors were around but he clearly never bought into the program and was just doing what he had to do to get out.  We had a very difficult overnight solo with him, filled with his constant complaining and arguing.  The trip from wc to TBS wasn?t THAT bad, as long as the subject of school didn?t come up?

But, once again, it seems like our son just isn?t progressing like the other kids?although he isn?t getting into trouble or ?out of agreement? like some of the others, either?and it has crossed my mind that some of the other kids might be ?faking it?, whereas our ds is more honest with us?

The school has prepared us for the typical manipulations that the kids will try to use on the first visit, in letters, and on the phone.  Our ds has tried all of them so far!   We are expecting a fairly stormy visit and the school has already told us that the visits can be very draining for all concerned.

We are expecting these kind of reactions and manipulations from our son, but we are hoping for some signs of progress or at least forward momentum.  I just wonder if that will happen?.and how long we might have to wait.

Galen.