More bullshit advice from ST

[Anonymous]

Little boxes on the hillside, Little boxes made of tickytacky
Little boxes on the hillside, little boxes all the same
There's a green one and a pink one and a blue one and a yellow one
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.

And the people in the houses all went to the university
Where they were put in boxes and they came out all the same,
And there's doctors and there's lawyers, and business executives
And they're all made out of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.

And they all play on the golf course and drink their martinis dry,
And they all have pretty children and the children go to school
And the children go to summer camp and then to the university
Where they are put in boxes and they come out all the same.

And the boys go into business and marry and raise a family
In boxes made of ticky tacky and they all look just the same.





Nod to Julie for finding this.

[Anonymous]

Zen- your ignorance is astounding.  Boy-your ex really got you good, didn't he.  Good thing he got the kid away from you!
You are boring me.  Yawn.  Go back in your crate like a good doggie.

You are one sick fuck. A sadistic drunk throws his stepdaughter in a torture chamber and all you can think about is how the ex "got" the biological father. Typical self-centered program parent -- it's all about you ain't it? Nevermind the child in the shitpit -- just a piece of meat to you right?

[ZenAgent]

Zen- your ignorance is astounding.  Boy-your ex really got you good, didn't he.  Good thing he got the kid away from you!
You are boring me.  Yawn.  Go back in your crate like a good doggie.

I don't know how you redneck hilljacks procreate, but I've never had sex with another guy and I wouldn't expect children from that kind of congress.  Keep it on the farm, hillbilly boy.  I'll bet your genetic pool is  stagnant, which would explain your astounding ignorance.

[Anonymous]

mmmm, I see lots of pointless namecalling and actual useful debate, stop feeding the trolls Zen, this kind of reaction is precisely what they are looking for

[Anonymous]

I suspect the point might have been to give back some of what you all dish out so constantly.  Someone actually treated you with the same disdain and lack of accurate information that you throw at all the parents.  I think it was actually a good exercise in seeing how it can go both ways.   While it is perfectly acceptable on this forum for you to attack parents and use crude language and insults, it isn't so much fun when it comes right back at you, is it?  
You generalize about program parents and kids, you make incorrect and insulting remarks about their futures and family dynamics, but in reality you know very little about each family situation OR the specific programs.  You certainly don't know how the kids (now young adults, in many cases) view the situation since they don't waste their time letting you know.  You hear from a small sample with some sort of agenda.  NO parent would want their child or anyone else to experience abuse in a program or be the victim of the types of things you seem to think occur every day in all programs. NO parent wants to resort to a residential placement and have their child go through this.  NO FAMILY wants to go through this.  You promote this view of parents as planning this from birth because they are not interested in parenting. Sometimes the best efforts at parenting still lead to a teen with problems that can't be resolved while staying with the family.  Sometimes one kid in a family has these issues and the others do just fine.
I assure you that your views are incorrect.  Nothing will change your mind because you have too much emotionally invested in your position.  Zen, I am sorry if your child suffered due to a poor choice by a custodial parent.  It must be heart-breaking.  Please don't project this on every other parent who chooses to send a teen to an emotional growth program.  There truly are good programs with excellent staff.  No, I won't discuss them here.  We have all seen how well that works.  There is no room for debate here.  I don't know why you seem to think there is.  Read almost any thread where there has been an attempt at sharing personal experiences and viewpoints and see where it goes.
With that, I will leave you to your anger.  Moving on.

[Troll Control]

Moving on.

Boy, this sounds good, but we all know you can't "move on" from anything.  You'll be here, day in and day out, every morning, afternoon and night trying to get your rocks off by belittling others.  It's what you do.  It's your life.  It's sad, but it is what it is, huh?

Do I wish you'd go somewhere else to project your shortcomings on others?  Yes, I do.  I also know full well that it won't happen and that you will be right here doing the same things over and over and over and...you get the point.  It's a sickness with you -  an awful compulsion that you simply don't have the cognitive tools to avoid.

See ya in a few minutes.  :roll:

[ZenAgent]

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I assure you that your views are incorrect.  Nothing will change your mind because you have too much emotionally invested in your position.  Zen, I am sorry if your child suffered due to a poor choice by a custodial parent.  It must be heart-breaking.  Please don't project this on every other parent who chooses to send a teen to an emotional growth program.  There truly are good programs with excellent staff.  No, I won't discuss them here.  We have all seen how well that works.  There is no room for debate here.  I don't know why you seem to think there is.  Read almost any thread where there has been an attempt at sharing personal experiences and viewpoints and see where it goes.
With that, I will leave you to your anger.  Moving on.

Thanks.  I've been losing sleep over the validity of my views.  Please don't pretend to have any knowledge of my emotional investment or my anger.  You don't have a clue.  I'm afraid you've also wandered onto the wrong forum.  An "emotional growth program", what is this wonderous thing?  I would love to hear all about it,  Now's your chance to convert this angry, misinformed bastard. What drug do they inject to cause the emotional growth?   Can I see my girl any time I want to?  I guess they don't need mechanical restraints in this teen wonderland.  So go ahead and share, please.

[Anonymous]

Skipping the bullshit, we reach more bullshit.

There truly are good programs with excellent staff. No, I won't discuss them here. We have all seen how well that works.

HAHAHAHA...

This roughly translates to "I've lost, and lost badly, but I still insist on keeping this up".

Why? Because there isn't a single place you can name that isn't going to get multiple ISAC watchlist links, full of serious allegations, or be easily linked to some other shithole which has them. Think about that. You can't name a single "good" place, because it'll get completely shot down in a matter of hours.

Why? 'Cuz there aren't any. At least not places that provide the kind of "treatment" you want.

Of course, since the "treatment" you want is abuse, that's to be expected.

Why don't you just admit that you're doing it (and posting here) for your own kicks, and cut the shit? Would make this a lot more fun.

[Dr Phil]

I suspect the point might have been to give back some of what you all dish out so constantly.  Someone actually treated you with the same disdain and lack of accurate information that you throw at all the parents.  I think it was actually a good exercise in seeing how it can go both ways.   While it is perfectly acceptable on this forum for you to attack parents and use crude language and insults, it isn't so much fun when it comes right back at you, is it?  
You generalize about program parents and kids, you make incorrect and insulting remarks about their futures and family dynamics, but in reality you know very little about each family situation OR the specific programs.  You certainly don't know how the kids (now young adults, in many cases) view the situation since they don't waste their time letting you know.  You hear from a small sample with some sort of agenda.  NO parent would want their child or anyone else to experience abuse in a program or be the victim of the types of things you seem to think occur every day in all programs. NO parent wants to resort to a residential placement and have their child go through this.  NO FAMILY wants to go through this.  You promote this view of parents as planning this from birth because they are not interested in parenting. Sometimes the best efforts at parenting still lead to a teen with problems that can't be resolved while staying with the family.  Sometimes one kid in a family has these issues and the others do just fine.
I assure you that your views are incorrect.  Nothing will change your mind because you have too much emotionally invested in your position.  Zen, I am sorry if your child suffered due to a poor choice by a custodial parent.  It must be heart-breaking.  Please don't project this on every other parent who chooses to send a teen to an emotional growth program.  There truly are good programs with excellent staff.  No, I won't discuss them here.  We have all seen how well that works.  There is no room for debate here.  I don't know why you seem to think there is.  Read almost any thread where there has been an attempt at sharing personal experiences and viewpoints and see where it goes.
With that, I will leave you to your anger.  Moving on.

I read : bla bla bla, you guys aren't giving me the negative attention I want anymore, I'm taking my toys and going home. Waaaaaa!

[ZenAgent]

Well damn, I wanted to hear about this fantastic emotional growth program, where all the counselors look like the Keebler elf and sing Happy Songs to make those stunted emotions grow.  He really had me going with the flowery phrasing.  "Emotional growth program" sounds warm and fuzzy, while "behavior modification" sounds nasty, like something bad kids with no money get because they're poor.

I guess he didn't see the warning under troubled teen industry:

This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.

This troll's lair at strugglingteens can't entertain a dissenting opinion, even if it's presented in a diplomatic fashion.  You can get banned for merely implying a program might be troubled.  We're not close-minded, we'll hear a programee out.  This ain't   strugglingteens, though.  We'll practice the same kind of confrontational approach program counselors use on kids like the troll's offspring.  If this were Mount Fornits or Wayward Bay, I'd break our troll's ass down like a shotgun and demote him down to Level one again for his blubbering and snivelling comments.  I would only be doing it for his emotional growth, though.  That's tough love, kids.

[Anonymous]

Well damn, I wanted to hear about this fantastic emotional growth program, where all the counselors look like the Keebler elf and sing Happy Songs to make those stunted emotions grow.  He really had me going with the flowery phrasing.  "Emotional growth program" sounds warm and fuzzy, while "behavior modification" sounds nasty, like something bad kids with no money get because they're poor.

I guess he didn't see the warning under troubled teen industry:

This is an uncensored, unmoderated forum where all viewpoints are both welcome and fair game for debate. It's a snap-shot of the Teen Help industry. Some days it's inspiring and heart-warming. Other day's it's pretty damned ugly. Enter at your own risk.

This troll's lair at strugglingteens can't entertain a dissenting opinion, even if it's presented in a diplomatic fashion.  You can get banned for merely implying a program might be troubled.  We're not close-minded, we'll hear a programee out.  This ain't   strugglingteens, though.  We'll practice the same kind of confrontational approach program counselors use on kids like the troll's offspring.  If this were Mount Fornits or Wayward Bay, I'd break our troll's ass down like a shotgun and demote him down to Level one again for his blubbering and snivelling comments.  I would only be doing it for his emotional growth, though.  That's tough love, kids.

 :tup:  :tup:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:  :nworthy:

[Troll Control]

You all are just JEALOUS- about my family being perfect.  The program perfected my kid in ways that you just DON'T GET.  Since you all are angry and ignorant you can't see the good that these programs do- like perfecting my child.

Go ahead and rip me apart- it all comes from your own pitiful lives and your jealousy of me and my perfected child.

[Anonymous]

8/10

A few different word choices and you'd have it down pat.

[ZenAgent]

You all are just JEALOUS- about my family being perfect.  The program perfected my kid in ways that you just DON'T GET.  Since you all are angry and ignorant you can't see the good that these programs do- like perfecting my child.

Go ahead and rip me apart- it all comes from your own pitiful lives and your jealousy of me and my perfected child.

Don't know you, and I'm never jealous of zealots who feel the need to modify kids into their twisted Rockwell ideal of a perfect child.  You seem to be the one getting angry, and I can only assume you're a masochist who gets off on people ripping you new orifices.  The idea of a "perfected child" sounds too Adolph-ish for me.  How malformed was this kid before Keebler threw the fertilizer on and grew those perfect emotions?
 
You're becoming tiresome, my Nazi troll.  If you're not going to tell me where the Little People sprinkle Magic Dust on kids that perfects them, I don't know why you're here.  If you know of a therapeutic and non-abusive facility, why don't you share this information and perhaps help some kids who aren't being "perfected"?

[Anonymous]

What the hell is wrong with these people?  Shipping 'em off once isn't enough?  It's not working for our family. :roll:

http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... 1;t=000763

hb
Member
Member # 4818

   Does anybody know anything about transition programs (sort of a 13th year) when a 17 year old graduates high school but is not emotionally ready for college?

Living at home and commuting to junior college isn't working out for our family. Any websites or info would be appreciated (I tried googling already). Thanks. Helene