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« on: July 19, 2006, 09:58:28 PM »
2 People Die on Wilderness Hikes in Utah
The Associated Press
Wednesday, July 19, 2006; 10:01 AM

MOAB, Utah -- Two people have died during separate hiking trips in the rugged southern Utah desert country, one a teenager who got separated from her group in 110-degree heat, officials said.

Both victims were from the Northeast.

A 29-year-old man from New Jersey died Monday night near Boulder while taking part in a 28-day survival course offered by the Boulder Outdoor Survival School, Garfield County spokeswoman Becki Bronson said.

He was on the second day of the $3,000 course and in a group of 12 with three staff members. Temperatures were in the low 90s in the area, the National Weather Service said.

"All day Monday they were hiking in the heat with very little food or water," Bronson said. "He was complaining about lack of water and cramping and still given very little water and it was still hot."

Students are intentionally given little food or water to simulate hardship conditions.

School representatives did not immediately return a call seeking comment.

On Sunday, Elisa D. Santry, 16, of South Boston, Mass., died on the 16th day of a three-week Outward Bound Wilderness course near Canyonlands National Park. The temperature was about 110, said San Juan County Sheriff Mike Lacy.

Organizers said the girl was with five other teens, ages 16 to 18, hiking through heavy brush to reach rafts waiting for them at the Colorado River.

As they were nearing the river, she had lagged behind, possibly to wait for another hiker, the sheriff's office said Tuesday. The other hiker reached the river but Elisa did not show up. She was later found up a small side canyon, the sheriff's office said.

"There was no evidence of foul play," said Mickey Freeman, president of Outward Bound Wilderness. An autopsy was planned.

The girl had passed a medical screening before joining the program, the group said. Outward Bound canceled the remaining five days of the program, which included hiking, climbing and rafting. There were 13 other people participating, ages 16-18.

Canyonlands National Park is about 200 miles southeast of Salt Lake City, and Boulder is about 200 miles straight south.

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On the Net:

Outward Bound: http://www.outwardboundwilderness.org/

Boulder Outdoor Survival: http://www.boss-inc.com/

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2006, 10:22:32 PM »
Massachusetts girl dies on Outward Bound hike in Utah desert
July 19, 2006
SALT LAKE CITY --A 16-year-old Massachusetts girl has died on an Outward Bound hike in a rugged southern Utah desert in 110-degree heat.

Elisa Santry, of South Boston, died Sunday night during a hike in Lockhart Canyon in an Outward Bound Wilderness course. She was on the 16th day of a three-week outdoor course provided by the youth-adventure organization.

Outward Bound President Mickey Freeman said the girl was found with water remaining in her bottle, had passed a medical screening and had no known health problems.

Santry was with five other teens, ages 16-18, who were hiking through heavy brush to reach rafts waiting for them at the Colorado River. Outward Bound said it was trying to determine if she had stopped to wait for another hiker who had injured her ankle. The other girl made it to the river.

The group noticed Santry was missing about 6 p.m. Sunday. Her body was found up a small side canyon about a quarter mile from the Canyonlands National Park boundary.

"She may have been trying to find an easier path, but that's only speculation," Freeman said.

Sheriff Mike Lacy said the area in this part of San Juan County is rugged, sandy, and the temperature was about 110 degrees when she died.

The remainder of the course was canceled and students were returning home, Outward Bound said.

The company said more than 60,000 people participate in its programs every year.

An autopsy of Santry was conducted, but additional tests are needed, said Dr. Edward Leis, Utah's deputy chief medical examiner.

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2006, 10:36:56 PM »
I hope Brooke Adams gets on this so we get accurate information.

Shall we rack up the violations of regulations as the details are revealed?

1...(7) Hiking shall not exceed the physical capability of the weakest member of the group. Hiking shall be prohibited at temperatures above 90 degrees F. or at temperatures below 10 degrees F. Field staff shall carry thermometers, which accurately display current temperature. If a consumer cannot or will not hike, the group shall not continue unless eminent danger exists.

2... (8) The expedition plan including map routes, and anticipated schedules and times shall be carried by the field staff and recorded in the field office.

3...(3) In temperatures above 80 degrees F., water shall be available for coating consumer's body, and other cooling down techniques shall be available for the purpose of cooling as needed.

Due to the difficulty of monitoring outdoor programs and the inherent dangers of the wilderness, a single violation of the foregoing life and safety rules may result in immediate revocation of the license and removal of consumers from programs pursuant to General Provisions as found in R501-1.
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2006, 11:31:06 PM »
Two Deaths Emphasize the Need to be Prepared in Outdoors
July 19th, 2006 @ 5:09pm
Alex Cabrero Reporting

An autopsy will tell for sure how a man died while hiking in Southern Utah; heat exhaustion is suspected. He was part of an outdoor survival school teaching clients how to survive in harsh desert conditions.

It's the type of place people go to to get away from it all, but sometimes that's the problem. If something goes wrong, you are away from it all.

Eric Spreng has bills to pay, which is why he works at REI. But if he had it his way, he'd spend most of his time outdoors.

Eric Spreng, REI: "There's always the temptation to put yourself out there and test yourself with how you're going to do against the elements."

Spreng has tested himself several times in the deserts of Southern Utah, and has great stories to share. But when he hears stories about hikers dying in the deserts, he just wonders if whatever went wrong could've been avoided.

Eric Spreng: "A lot of accidents in the backcountry, the vast majority of which are preventable."

[BOSS-"All day Monday they were hiking in the heat with very little food or water," she said. "He was complaining about lack of water and cramping and still given very little water and it was still hot." The group was in the Cottonwood Wash area about five miles northeast of Boulder. Temperatures were in the low 90s in the area, the National Weather Service said.]

Two hikers died already this week. The first, a 16-year old girl from Boston, with the group "Outward Bound" in the Lockhart Canyon area near Canyonlands National Park. The second, a 29-year old New Jersey man with the "Boulder Outdoor Survival School" near Cottonwood Wash Canyon in Garfield County.

Their deaths are still being investigated, but temperatures for the first death were in the 110 area, the second death in the 90's.

Eric Spreng: "The thing you gotta keep in mind the most is to stay hydrated."
[BOSS-?Students are not allowed to carry water bottles, but they have access to water along the route. They carry a cup. It's very well-planned out,? spokeswoman Diane Nagler said.  Students are intentionally given little food or water, she said. "They simulate what it would be like if you were without water and were without food."]

Spreng says water-holding backpacks and powdered electrolyte type mixes are the best way to keep going when you're hiking.

Eric Spreng: "when you're exerting yourself in warm temperatures, you might be sweating away as much as a liter of water an hour."

Spreng also says it's okay to hike when temperatures get as hot as they've been, you just have to take extra careful.


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Outward Bound is a nonprofit adventure-education organization. By their own description, Outward Bound ?offers wilderness courses that emphasize personal growth through challenge and experience and facilitate self-reliance, responsibility, teamwork, confidence, compassion, environmental and community stewardship.?
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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2006, 03:00:32 AM »
A little common sense could have saved these lives.

The last comment reported in reference to the life and death of these two human beings, who are loved, and will be missed, is, "WE lost ONE, but WE are saving many."  The "loss ratio mentality strikes again."

Who cares if 60,000 people have made it through the Outward Bound program this year?  Fact is, two young lives are gone, and a little common sense, along with abiding by the guidelines in the licensing book of rules could have prevented two more preventable deaths in the desert.  It is my understanding that the Utah rules and regulations governing outdoor wilderness programs states that NO ONE is supposed to be hiking in the kind of heat we have been having this past week.

We had a heat wave for a couple days at Girls Camp this year.  We had plenty to eat, and were encouraged to carry our water bottles.  All day.......every day!

A program must invite adaptions to the program given circumstances such as extremely hot weather.  It doesn't need to be a DO or DIE experience to learn survival skills.  
 
What a shame!
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« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2006, 09:00:24 PM »
The very sad and unforturnate deaths of these two young people is not a licensing issue in the State of Utah.

The State of Utah does not regulate VOLUNTEER programs like Outward Bound, and this survival course.  There is no oversight of volunteer wilderness programs in Utah.

Again, it is "buyer beware."  It was the responsibility of the parents of this teenage girl and this young man to ASK if these two programs were REGULATED OR NOT. It is doubtful if these programs offered to disclose that no one regulates them.

Maybe NOW the State of Utah will open their eyes, and pass some legislation that will regulate such programs.
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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2006, 10:55:56 PM »
I assumed as much with the Survival School, but why wouldn't Outward Bound be regulated? Are they not considered an "Outdoor Youth Program"? There must be someone they answer to if they are serving minors.

(1) The Office of Licensing in the Department of Human Services, shall license outdoor youth programs according to standards and procedures established by this rule.

R501-8-2. Authority and Purpose.
(1) Pursuant to 62A-2-101 et seq., the purpose of this rule is to define standards and procedures by which the Office of Licensing shall license outdoor youth programs. Programs designed to provide rehabilitation services to adjudicated minors shall adhere to these rules as established by the Division of Juvenile Justice Services, in accordance with 62A-7-104-11.

"Adjudicated minors"? I just noticed that. Doesn't that imply that Wilderness Programs that don't take adjudicated youth are exempt?
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2006, 06:12:08 AM »
I'm not sure what these deaths have to do with the Troubled Teen Industry, since neither of these programs were either "boot camp" or "therapeutic" wilderness programs of the type usually discussed on Fornits. Some people are into adventure and some people do extreme things for their own personal reasons.

These deaths are tragic and were definitely avoidable, and the companies bear some, but I would say not all, of that liability. Some people die while skydiving, and probably some of those deaths could've been avoided by taking extra safety precautions, extra instruction of the participant, etc. But if you really want to avoid the risk of death from skydiving...well, go find something else to do to get your jollies. Same goes for voluntary wilderness adventures or any other thrill-seeking experiences.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2006, 09:10:07 AM »
Wilderness programs were modeled after OB.
More evidence supporting the inherent dangers of hiking in extreme heat.  
It should also demonstrate that self-regulation is not a good idea.
Had the OB group (for teens) stayed together (as required for licensed programs) the young lady wouldn't have gotten lost, and may still be alive.

Re: the Survival School- Voluntary or not, they may be reviewing how much sense it makes to withhold food and water from participants in such austere elements.

Eric Spreng: "A lot of accidents in the backcountry, the vast majority of which are preventable."
"All day Monday they were hiking in the heat with very little food or water," she said. "He was complaining about LACK OF WATER and cramping and STILL GIVEN LITTLE WATER and it was still hot."

Eric Spreng: "The thing you gotta keep in mind the most is to stay hydrated."
?Students are not allowed to carry water bottles, but they have access to water along the route. They carry a cup. It's very well-planned out,? spokeswoman Diane Nagler said. Students are intentionally given little food or water, she said. "They simulate what it would be like if you were without water and were without food."
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2006, 10:02:39 AM »
Boston student dies in Utah
Family questions Outward Bound hike
By James Vaznis, Globe Staff  |  July 20, 2006
Writing about how she wanted to conquer her shyness and build relationships, Elisa Santry of South Boston won a free spot in the Outward Bound Wilderness program this summer.
But on Sunday, the 16th day of her 22-day trip of backpacking and rafting, Santry somehow got separated from the rest of her group while on a hike in a rugged desert in 110-degree heat.

``We are anxious to get more information, but, more importantly, we are anxious to speak with the adults who were supervising her," said Mary O'Neil, an aunt. ``Who is that adult who said, `It's 110 degrees, and let's go hiking between the hours of 10 and 4?' Think about it; 110 degrees would be difficult to sit in in the shade. It's mind-boggling."

O'Neil said Santry's mother, Elisa Woods, had initially opposed her daughter's entrance into the program, fearful that something tragic would happen. The mother changed her mind at the last minute, after a mentor assigned to Santry convinced her that the trip was safe and a good opportunity. The teenager received a mentor as a part of the scholarship.

Santry's death was the second related to a program for Outward Bound in nearly three decades, said Mickey Freeman, president of the program.
In 1978, a participant fell off a rock in the Pacific Northwest, Freeman said. Other participants have died because of existing medical conditions, he said. [How many?] Santry had passed a medical screening, Freeman also said.

Outward Bound officials said they had received conflicting reports from the four teenagers who were hiking with Santry before she disappeared.
According to some accounts, Santry, who would have been a junior this fall at the O'Bryant School, and the other teenagers had hiked into an area with brush so thick they had to push through it with their hands.
They were hiking one-quarter of a mile to the Colorado River to go rafting, and an instructor was waiting for them at the river for the rafting excursion. Some students said they realized that Santry was missing after they emerged from the brush. Others, however said they were not sure whether Santry had in fact followed them into the thick brush near the river.

The sheriff's office in San Juan County released a statement saying that Santry had stayed behind to wait for a girl who had injured her ankle. Outward Bound officials disputed that account.  They said the injured girl had been evacuated before Santry and the other teenagers reached the last leg of the hike.

In response to the questioning of Santry's aunt, Freeman said the students had been hiking in normal temperatures for that time of year, in a typical activity.
``Something happened, but we don't know what," he said.
The program encourages a buddy system, but Freeman said students sometimes travel by themselves, at their own pace, especially in the latter days of a long trip. Santry did not have an assigned buddy.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/articl ... s_in_utah/


Outward Bound Wilderness instructors waited for five hours - until after they found the body of a South Boston girl who had gone missing in 110-degree heat - before calling for help, the not-for-profit?s president said yesterday.
The family of 16-year-old Elisa D. Santry wants to know why she was hiking in that heat and why she was left alone.
?It?s not fair. It?s not right,? said her brother, Steve Woods. ?When I went to summer camp, there was a staff person at the front of the group, in the middle and at the back to make sure no one was left behind . . . In 110-degree weather, why would they let those children wander??
  The group was on its 16th day of a 22-day course, during which Santry had written her mother to complain that some of the other students were bullying her, Freeman said. It was unclear yesterday whether that had anything to do with her disappearance.
http://news.bostonherald.com/localRegio ... eid=149088

The mother of a 16-year-old South Boston girl who died while hiking in Utah last Sunday said her only daughter would be alive if the Outward Bound Wilderness program didn't allow her to hike alone.
``As far as I'm concerned, it's neglect," said Elisa Woods, the mother of Elisa Santry Woods, who later recalled the difficult pregnancy and premature birth of her daughter.
For large chunks of time that Sunday, instructors of Outward Bound Wilderness allowed students to hike without adult supervision, sometimes alone, said Mickey Freeman, the organization's president. He said it's not uncommon for teenagers to hike by themselves, noting that the program is designed to teach responsibility, confidence, and self-reliance.
``We are mourning with the mother for this situation, but it would be complete speculation on what may or may not have saved her daughter's life," he said. ``Something went wrong. We don't know what. We want to find out as much as the family does."

Hiking in temperatures above 90 degrees and allowing youth to travel alone goes against Utah state regulations for wilderness programs that troubled youth are mandated to attend. But those regulations don't apply to Outward Bound Wilderness because it's a voluntary program open to all youth, said Ken Stettler, director of the Office of Licensing for the Utah Department of Human Services.
``All we can do is regulate the youth treatment programs, not the recreation programs. Otherwise, we would have been on those guys before," he said, referring to Outward Bound Wilderness. [Yeh, right!]
He also believes Outward Bound Wilderness waited too long to call professional emergency workers. ``Maybe they could have revived her," he said.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2006, 07:32:35 PM »
Why the hell is that even on this forum?

Why on earth do people go hike through the woods for therapy? Unless its something you ENJOY doing (and this was obviously not for enjoyment) and doing enjoyable things to let go and relax for 'therapy', hiking through the woods/desert/wilderness isn't therapy.

Suffering and isolation, however, is a good way to 'break down' people... so no wonder its a prereq for RTS's and often used as a standalone 'BM' treatment. (see BRATCAMP eps if you have to see it and cant 'get it').

Oh well, Im sure I'll get flamed by some trekkers or tree-huggers.  :roll:
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2006, 08:01:54 PM »
some people do enjoy it (hiking), and a lot think outdoors activity is good/healthy. etc.  and a good number of people want the challenge of doing something new and meeting and conquering new personal challenges.  

check it and you will see that OB doesn't want unwiling participants.

perhaps you prefer indoors stuff.

but i guess it is on this because someone died while on a hike in a program -- perhaps not a therapeutic program, but an organized activity.  funny that 2 people in a couple of decades and out of hundreds of thousands of participants die and someone here gets bent, but not about those killed in cars each year.  lets ban auto racing because people may get hurt or die
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2006, 08:08:18 PM »
Quote from: ""Guest""
some people do enjoy it (hiking), and a lot think outdoors activity is good/healthy. etc.  and a good number of people want the challenge of doing something new and meeting and conquering new personal challenges.  

check it and you will see that OB doesn't want unwiling participants.

perhaps you prefer indoors stuff.

but i guess it is on this because someone died while on a hike in a program -- perhaps not a therapeutic program, but an organized activity.  funny that 2 people in a couple of decades and out of hundreds of thousands of participants die and someone here gets bent, but not about those killed in cars each year.  lets ban auto racing because people may get hurt or die


Im fine with that, but you clearly didnt read my post or havent been here a long time.

My problem is with it being FORCED UPON PEOPLE, and, BEING USED AS A MEANS TO MENTALLY BREAK THEM DOWN. Clear enough for you?

And, uh, btw, its more than 2 people in a couple decades. The elements, accidents (due to gravity...) disease, abuse from the staffers of the mindfuck type hike trips and animals like bears take their toll. But you know what? Someone out there for fun who knows the risks and is with profesionals is fine.

Someone not being given enough water by a retard, and there is NEVER an excuse to ration water, BTW, or using this as a means to isolate and break down children physically and emotionally, are bad things, and there is no excuse for it, period.

BTW, why is it I had to enumerate this anyway? I clearly stated what I meant in my previous post unless you simply have low reading compreshension, and the first thing you do is give a statement that reads like a press release with the word challenge used TWICE!

Then use a risky hobby that Im known to enjoy to justify it.. when I never attacked it in the first place.

Hiking is Hiking, its not therapy - clear enough?
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2006, 09:09:08 PM »
When parents start sending kids "to the race track to drive cars round-and-round-and-round the track at 100 mph" and call that THERAPY...then we can talk about RACE CAR DRIVING, OK?
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2006, 09:10:30 PM »
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When parents start sending kids "to the race track to drive cars round-and-round-and-round the track at 100 mph" and call that THERAPY...then we can talk about RACE CAR DRIVING, OK?


IT IS FOR ME!!!!!!  :D

But then again its a lot less dangerous than it would be driving TO the track, just like flying in planes is safer than driving to the airport.

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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."