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« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2006, 11:06:45 PM »
Did the OP drop off the face of the earth?
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« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2006, 12:55:21 AM »
4 seeders on mininova now.
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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2006, 06:31:12 PM »
Vendetta, where the hell did you go?
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2006, 03:57:33 PM »
All the talking did absolutely nothing..
Her parents went with her and spent about 3 days in orientation, and decided it was a safe enough environment for her to stay in.
All of my 'evidence' and pleas did absolutely nothing for the situation.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2006, 05:59:09 PM »
You've got to be fucking kidding me.

Did you get them to read.. oh, I don't know.. this thread?
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« Reply #20 on: July 22, 2006, 04:46:03 PM »
Please don't patronize me, I did all I could... I've used information discussed by this thread, as well as my own research.. and it didn't make a difference.
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« Reply #21 on: July 23, 2006, 06:44:42 AM »
Backup malk Gargler, no one can make people listen to information they are not willing to hear
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« Reply #22 on: July 23, 2006, 05:59:29 PM »
Quote from: ""Vendetta""
Please don't patronize me, I did all I could... I've used information discussed by this thread, as well as my own research.. and it didn't make a difference.


Welcome to the club. Really sucks to see brainwashed people put their kid away without any contact with the outside world in a prison/cult like environment and fuck them up, doesn't it?

I wish I could say it gets better, but it doesnt. You just get more calloused.

Id like to believe you're a troll, but even if you're not, there are thousands of kids getting shipped off as we speak. So, yeah... you gotta learn to detach or you'll go insane.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #23 on: July 23, 2006, 06:22:11 PM »
I don't think this thread would be the place I'd send a parent to reconsider.
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« Reply #24 on: July 23, 2006, 07:05:25 PM »
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Id like to believe you're a troll, but even if you're not, there are thousands of kids getting shipped off as we speak. So, yeah... you gotta learn to detach or you'll go insane.



It's kind of really fucking hard to detach from someone you've known for about 4 years now, and have watched this someone go from bad to worse to fucking Cross Creek...
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« Reply #25 on: July 23, 2006, 07:05:57 PM »
last post was mine.  :roll:
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« Reply #26 on: July 23, 2006, 07:11:09 PM »
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I don't think this thread would be the place I'd send a parent to reconsider.


Of course not, it tells it like it is, it doesnt give the parents a way out to save face or give them the chance to play the victim, and it doesnt sugarcoat.

Oh, and I guess a bunch of scarred people (scarred by the very programs) are just too damned gritty for them to deal with  :roll:

Why the hell cant they think of their own kids instead of themselves? Thats the most exasperating thing of all. How the hell can you be so easily tricked as to send your kid off to a bunch of strangers without any communication for A YEAR and think thats 'good for them'?

The first time I heard of any program it scared and sickened me. I dont know who the hell would think of any of them as good, unless its just a way to ditch their kid and their worry about their kid for their own sake so they can say "well, I did whats best for them!" as an excuse to themselves more than anyone else and go on about their life while they throw ten thousand dollars to a program.

 :( Sometimes I want to give up, but then I realize theres 10k+ people trapped in places like that and it would be weak of me for me to take the easy way out just like the people Im mad at for doing so themselves, but theres not a whole lot I can do right now.

Oh well, Ill go kick myself around for not knowing what to say to 'vendetta' and letting another kid slip through while thousands and thousands of people are living in constant fear and mental anguish and periodic attacks to their body and mind, while some parents whine for attention in group and someone says that we're doing it wrong.

Oh what a world we're in.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

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TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #27 on: July 23, 2006, 07:19:11 PM »
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Quote from: ""Nihilanthic""
Quote from: ""Vendetta""

Id like to believe you're a troll, but even if you're not, there are thousands of kids getting shipped off as we speak. So, yeah... you gotta learn to detach or you'll go insane.


It's kind of really fucking hard to detach from someone you've known for about 4 years now, and have watched this someone go from bad to worse to fucking Cross Creek...


If you dont, it will eat you alive. Ive been aware of programs and doing what I can to stop them for 2 years and sometimes I dont know if I want to just run screaming into the woods and never come out or just shoot people more, but then I realize that at least I can say that out loud without being thrown in OP for weeks, beaten up, busted down levels and made to humiliate myself in a seminar every 6 weeks. Unfortunately the way things are going you have to watch what you say when you vent verbally or you might get baker acted and thrown into one of the mental hospitals owned by these conglomerates :roll:

Its going to be hard, and youre going to need to get a thick skin, or from the bottom of my heart, the only advice I can give you is get out and forget all about this before you get in too deep, because if you cant handle it, it will eat you alive. Im just barely handling it and sometimes wish I had never read about Tranquility Bay back in 2004.

But you know what? This has been going on for 30 years, its creeping into the medical 'buisness' community, school, public policy, politics... it has pretty competely and deeply infected this country and the worst part is if you tell anyone, they'll call you insane - or worse, some liberal twit looking for some issue to devote yourself to. Then you think about what youre going through and bitching about vs what the people in those programs are going through and that just makes you feel even worse about yourself.

Im not trying to scare you off or drama-queen it up, Im just telling you what to expect if you want to persue this. Dont feel bad about saying 'uncle' and running away. Thats the one thing everyone in those programs wishes they could do and wouldnt fault you for doing it.

I just dont want TWO people hurt by programs when at the very least I could spare you from getting fucked up by them, know what I mean? But if youre serious about doing something about this, youre gonna grow up really quick, and see the world in a completely different way. And no, theres no going back.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2006, 07:47:13 PM »
Vendetta the best you can do now is try to get a letter to your friend, but most likely it would have to go through your parents. Back when I was in a wwasp prison they would give the parents stickers to give out to other family members who were 'approved' to send mail. If they are still doing that and you can get one of those stickers that might work. Best bet though is to piggyback your letter with her parents letter if this is possible. At this point I would just tell them you will be supporting them no matter what they do and that when they get out you will be there for them, no matter what, whether they graduate or walk. There's not much else you can do really. It's up to the parents of your friend whether they can leave now. It usually takes well over a year, more likely closer to two in order to graduate. If your friend is near 18, they will be given an option to walk, or take their exit plan at 18. It's a scary proposition though because they give you only a few dollars and a ride to town sometimes, to scare you into staying. If your friend new you were out there ready to help, no matter what wwasp tells them (they make up lies and encourage parents to as well) that would be a huge morale booster. Hopefully your friend is near the age of 18, that would be the best hope right now. Other than that, hope your friends parents are having financial trouble, that can get a teen home quick. Lastly, I guess you can try to convince them with all the writings and documentaries and press about abuse, but it seems they weren't open to that. This is a shitty, yet common situation. It is the goal of parents to break up friendships a lot of the time, I knew it was with mine. It worked, all my friends were gone when I came home. Hopefully, your friend won't become brainwashed and then befriend you on their own, which can sometimes happen too. That is one of the saddest things to see, when they seriously warp individuals and then they come home and become super self righteous, alienating themselves from everyone they used to knew. Then when they grow out of the brainwashing a few years later, they are all alone. Cross creek is not a good option, it's one of the worst. I hope your friend makes it through okay. A lot of us made it through some really shitty times at wwasps, and we are fine now. It sucks, but what can you do, the best thing you can do is just be there for your friend when they need you most... which might be soon or next year or something, you don't really know. Wish I had something more concrete to offer...
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« Reply #29 on: July 24, 2006, 11:13:25 AM »
Vendetta, I'm really sorry this happened to your friend.

I found out about this industry when one of my friends got shipped off to ASR.

Well, okay, first she was a friend of a bunch of friends, and the friends' concern spurred me, etc.  She became a personal friend as a result of my keeping faith with wanting to get her out of there and never forgetting about her.

Anyway.

I know how helpless you must feel right now.

We weren't able to get my friend out of ASR until she "graduated."

She bought into the program and sounded like a robot for awhile.  You have to, really, if you're sent to one of these places.

It's just that since she has a strong mind, she threw it off more quickly.  Since she has the support of friends who knew all the time that it was bullshit, she threw it off more quickly.

Being able to throw off the brainwashing quickly is helping her recover, but it did damage her and recovery will take a long time.

My friend is comforted by knowing that her story may have helped convince other parents, even while she was still in that hellhole, not to send their own kids off.

The best thing you can do for your friend is keep her memory alive out here and try to prevent the same thing from happening to other kids.

See, your having been "activated" by what happened to her, and you helping stop it happen to other kids, is going to be the something good that comes out of her hell, to save other kids from that same hell.

All I can tell you is that that is going to mean something to her after she gets out.

One thing you can personally do for your friend is that if you can find things her parents say it's okay for her to have, you can ship it to her anonymously.  What I found with ASR was the anonymous stuff that was pre-approved got in, because it didn't have a "forbidden" sender name attached to it.

What Jenny* said about mail censorship was, "They're not perfect.  Sometimes stuff they wouldn't want to let through gets through anyway."

The more you try, the more chance something will get through.  Keep copies of your letters.  Reading them after she gets out and knowing she wasn't forgotten will mean the world to her.

Julie
* obviously not her real name.
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