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« on: July 10, 2006, 06:30:00 PM »
Hi guys, need  some advice, my 12 year old has severe emotional problems. He goes beserk at anything and everything. He recently started a fire on purpose because i told him to stop playing video to eat dinner. We have tried therapy , inpatient , outpatient. My question for you guys is where do we go from here?
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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2006, 06:37:00 PM »
Stop trolling Fornits?

Actually if he's 12 and doing that stuff I have my own purposes for him. Relax, I'm not a pedo. I assure you, he has a bright future. I won't even charge you.

Shoot me an email. MGDP[AT]duumvirate[DOT]net. (at = @, dot = . )
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2006, 11:08:00 PM »
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 Hi guys, need some advice, my 12 year old has severe emotional problems. He goes beserk at anything and everything. He recently started a fire on purpose because i told him to stop playing video to eat dinner. We have tried therapy , inpatient , outpatient. My question for you guys is where do we go from here?


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 Stop trolling Fornits?

Actually if he's 12 and doing that stuff I have my own purposes for him. Relax, I'm not a pedo. I assure you, he has a bright future. I won't even charge you.

 

WAY TO GO.  WHAT HAPPENS if an anon is really looking for straight answers from non program people?  Put downs?  Insults?  Both seem like such great ways to promote non-program approaches to kids needing help.
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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2006, 11:16:00 PM »
When an anon is looking for straight answers, we give straight answers.

When an anon is trolling, we laugh at him and mock his miserable excuse for an existence.

What's so hard to understand?
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2006, 06:26:00 AM »
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"Hi guys, need  some advice, my 12 year old has severe emotional problems. He goes beserk at anything and everything. He recently started a fire on purpose because i told him to stop playing video to eat dinner. We have tried therapy , inpatient , outpatient. My question for you guys is where do we go from here? "


If you've got a 12 year old that is THAT out of control then you've sucked as a parent and are now experiencing the consequences.  Suck it up and fix it yourself!  

But I have a feeling that Milk is dead on in his assessment of the situation. ::troll::
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2006, 08:51:00 AM »
Oh. My. God.

It's a troll, yeah.

Still, it's a good hypothetical case:

Truth?  If a kid goes "berserk at anything" and starts fires, there certainly is no cure.

The only possible help is putting such a kid inpatient and trying to get him stabilized on medication.

He may end up in prison no matter what anyone does.

Programs won't help, we don't have squat that will help.  If we had anything that would help, we wouldn't need juvie prisons or adult prisons now, would we.

Stabilizing on meds and trying to teach the kid empathy through a loving home are about the only chances he has.

Starting fires---in a hostile way, not just screwing around---is a very bad sign.

Which the troll knew.

Advocates of the Programs would say the parents might as well try them, even though the Programs don't work.  Well, flaying the skin off his back doesn't work either, should we try that, too?  Then should we go to cutting off fingers?

"Don't just stand there, do something" is the stupidest advice it is possible to give, if taken literally.

"Don't just stand there, pick one helpful thing and get started" is decent advice.  Unfortunately, the people you have to tell that longer idea to are the ones most likely to misunderstand the short version above.

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2006, 09:45:00 AM »
I'm sorry for what your going through with your twelve year old but asking for help on this web sight is not the answer as you can tell from the replies you've recieved. Talk to an education consultant on what is best for your child. Read some books or even check out the tv show Supper Nanny. If your looking for treatment check out some programs and ask for referals. I wish we were perfect like the people who replied to your cry for help but I'm sure all they were trying to do is help.
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2006, 10:38:00 AM »
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or even check out the tv show Supper Nanny.


BEST TROLL EVER!  :lol:
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2006, 11:20:00 AM »
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"I'm sorry for what your going through with your twelve year old but asking for help on this web sight is not the answer as you can tell from the replies you've recieved. Talk to an education consultant on what is best for your child. Read some books or even check out the tv show Supper Nanny. If your looking for treatment check out some programs and ask for referals. I wish we were perfect like the people who replied to your cry for help but I'm sure all they were trying to do is help.   "


Bwahahahahaha

Program trolls like to defend their rotten behavior by sarcastically implying that everyone who behaves better than them is presenting themselves as perfect.

Of course we're not perfect parents.  Neither were our own parents perfect.  Some of the folks on here were the kids of Program Parents and have profitted by their parents' negative example---becoming good parents themselves.

Some folks, like me, had parents who weren't perfect but were sure as hell better than the Program Parents.

Obviously, I'm not a perfect parent.  Just ask my kid. :smile:  But I'm good enough to get by.  Unlike the Program Parents.

Okay, the hard truth is that some parents give birth to the equivalent of Rosemary's Baby.  Some kids are either born with serious damage, or get a bump on the head that does brain damage in some real bad places, or get abused by neighbors or relatives the parents had no reason to suspect.

I say this as someone with a Psychology degree from a top ten public university, who has kept up with this area of my field, including exhaustive reading on mental illness and criminology, since graduation sixteen years ago.

Some kids are damaged beyond repair.

Some of them are mentally ill.  Medication will not cure them, but it can almost always stabilize them enough to be out of the psych ward almost all the time.

Programs won't cure the mentally ill.  There is no cure.  Researchers are trying to learn enough to find a cure, but they don't have one yet.  They're close enough that they may have one in the kid's lifetime, but that's the best you can hope for.

Some of the kids are budding sociopaths.  The problem with sociapaths is that their capacity for empathy is broken.

There is no cure for sociopathy, there are no effective treatments for sociopathy.

There is some evidence that budding sociopaths, in the critical years before about age fifteen, can be helped to learn empathy in a real family home with loving parents.

That is the only preventative criminal psychologists know of that can keep some of these at risk kids from becoming uncurable sociopaths.

For psychopaths, it's the same story only worse.

For sociopaths or psychopaths, the most critical thing broken is empathy.  They don't have any.

The only thing that will help them at all is developing the capacity for empathy.

By forcing children to inform on, ridicule, be harsh with, and punish other children, the Program is a perfect prescription for how you turn an at risk kid into a hardened sociopath.  It doesn't teach empathy, it does everything it can to squash it flat.

Setting fires is a very bad sign.

Sending a violently explosive kid who sets fires to a Program is like going out with him to kill kittens together.

Hey, let's squash any last vestiges of empathy and foster sadistic pleasure in the misery of others!  What a great idea!

Not.

Julie
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2006, 11:22:00 AM »
"Advocates of the Programs would say the parents might as well try them, even though the Programs don't work."  Not all "advocates of programs" would say "might as well try them."  Programs do work -- if they are the "right" kind for a particular situation.  And yes, there are a lot of inappropriate choices that can be made, and a fair number of places that claim to "take care" of everything but don't.

"Suck it up" is heard here often as well, and that is generally about as good.

Sure, the OP looks like a troll.  And no "program" seems in order so much as a good psychiatrist and perhaps a hospitalization.  I don't know, and since the issue seems fictional, who cares one might say.  But for the next question???
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2006, 01:52:00 PM »
What kid has access to anything that could potentially start a fire, do you leave lighters around?

Seems to me the best course of action is to lock up anything that starts a fire, remove his video games (most of which are violent and shouldnt be played by a 12 yr old), limit his Television time.

The key here is telling him there are consequences for his actions.  Does he act out at school?  Likely not because the teacher has set forth consequences for his innapropriate actions.  He knows if he shows his butt at school there are consequences that the teacher can enact.

I would then get him into an outpatient program with a qualified juvenile therapist.

Outpatient therapy only works if you send them consistently over a period of a year or more.  The key is consistency.
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« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2006, 09:40:26 PM »
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Hi guys, need  some advice, my 12 year old has severe emotional problems. He goes beserk at anything and everything. He recently started a fire on purpose because i told him to stop playing video to eat dinner. We have tried therapy , inpatient , outpatient. My question for you guys is where do we go from here?


Clearly the proper thing to do is to either beat the shit out of him until hes a sobbing, drooling mess, and make him your slave, or...

Throw him into a place called a "therapeutic boarding school" and use your personal suffering for what your kid did and talk about how hard it was to 'make the right decision' and have the escorts take him away on http://www.strugglingteens.org/cgi-bin/ ... category=1 for attention with all the other parents who do the same thing, all wanting attention in a munchausen by institution sort of way...

Or, realize hes a figment of your imagination, and hold up a crucifix and invoke the name of JESVS to drive the evil spirits away...

Or go get a truck mechanic with a large vice to screw your head on straight?
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« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2006, 09:43:59 PM »
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"Advocates of the Programs would say the parents might as well try them, even though the Programs don't work."  Not all "advocates of programs" would say "might as well try them."  Programs do work -- if they are the "right" kind for a particular situation.  And yes, there are a lot of inappropriate choices that can be made, and a fair number of places that claim to "take care" of everything but don't.



"Suck it up" is heard here often as well, and that is generally about as good.



Sure, the OP looks like a troll.  And no "program" seems in order so much as a good psychiatrist and perhaps a hospitalization.  I don't know, and since the issue seems fictional, who cares one might say.  But for the next question???


Oh really? Show me evidence that any program works at all.

 :roll: We've been down this road. You cant custom tailor torture to a real problem to be therapy for it. You cant spin and bullshit me with it, TheWho tried and failed. Its nothing but bullshit regressional 'breaking' that fixes nothing, causes more problems down the road, and makes them lose out on some of the best years of their lives and the accompanying social development that comes with it by being kept in some hellhole institution filling them with rehashed new age nonsense from decades ago and using restraint as corporal punishment.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2006, 09:59:18 PM »
Let him go live with Julie and little Katie.  And, please, don't even think about lighting a candle and leaving the matches out.
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« Reply #14 on: July 11, 2006, 10:00:33 PM »
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Let him go live with Julie and little Katie.  And, please, don't even think about lighting a candle and leaving the matches out.


No, you tie him up and torture him with hot wax for being a bad little boy and sell a video of it to the Kays for use in a wwasps promotional film, doofus.
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DannyB on the internet:I CALLED A LAWYER TODAY TO SEE IF I COULD SUE YOUR ASSES FOR DOING THIS BUT THAT WAS NOT POSSIBLE.

CCMGirl on program restraints: "DON\'T TAZ ME BRO!!!!!"

TheWho on program survivors: "From where I sit I see all the anit-program[sic] people doing all the complaining and crying."