The Who

[Whooter]

It would be fun to go back and read some of those flame threads.

Yes, it's quite enlightening.  I'm curious....why did you think it was fun  or acceptable to make fun of a survivor?

Why do you think some people find it fun or acceptable to make fun of a program parent?  You dont think that any of these characters were making fun of me? lol
Look Anne you are quoting from "TheWho" Thread. It was a total troll/flame war there.  You need to read through the thread not just take out one sound bite.

It was total mayhem and it was fun!  DJ was quoting and talking to himself too as were others, it was his 2nd most posted thread.

If I were in a thread where we were having a serious conversation then I would look at it more closely, but thewho thread was a trash dump of flame wars.

[Troll Control]

Posted by Deborah » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:33 pm

Who,
Did you participate in the survey?
Is your daughter considered on of Aspen's successes?

No I dont think so.  I filled out a follow-up of some sort but it was short, not much feedback was asked for, so I dont think it was a survey.
I dont know if she is considered one of their successes or not.  We had a show contact us and asked if we would be interested in being interviewed.  But we didnt do it.

Oh that's right. She was in the 98% who fail, and go back to drugs, then moved away and didn't speak to you for two years.
But, hey, she did catch up academically, which please you, but then never went to college.
That does sound like the typical success story.

Hmm...  not sure where that is coming from or means.  I think that you asked me if I filled out a survey or not.  Guess I should have stuck to "No"

Mmmm. Got it from you

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#163947
But anyway my daughter would fall into your 98% who go back to drugs (statistically) but long term the kids that finish at ASR do much better. Academically she was way ahead when she returned

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &start=435
There basically isnt any and she regressed like a slingshot as soon as she got home and wanted to experience everything she missed. I.e. smoked cigarettes, smoked pot., drank, stay out late etc. but after a few weeks she realized there were things she wanted to do with her life and started to move on. She still drinks and smokes pot etc, but in moderation.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#160456
Exactly what happened. My daughter moved to NYC and I only heard from her once in 2 years, still never went to school.

Then Whooter circled back and changed it to say how great their communication was.

On 2006-01-01 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"not if they are living in YOUR house without paying rent, bills....If you don't want to follow the rules, get a job, get your own place, fix your own meals, figure out your own transportation, have your own life.  And finally be happy following your own rules."

My daughter came home and had a difficult transition.  She initially went back with her old friends but eventually got bored with them and moved on.  I was worried for awhile but we communicated with each other and new she was in a good space.

Last edited by TheWho on Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There you have it.  PROOF POSITIVE that Whooter has been lying all along about his daughter's "success" at Aspen.  Must be that fiduciary interest driving his congenital lying.

[Whooter]

Ignore thewho using my log in - I stand by what I said by him, I haven't changed my opinion. The who is a parent who had a daughter in a program and she turned out okay.  Maybe it was the best thing for her but that doesn’t mean all kids will do okay.  Thats what really sticks in my crawl.

Yes, but I still agree with your suggestion that we try to have a screening process for new posters.  I don’t think thewho would pass the test because he is such a dip shit but it would make for better conversations.  The takedown video didn’t explain why that person was being restrained so I cannot judge whether or not it was warranted.  I like the 1980’s style cell phone in the back pocket of the staff member, reminds me of Starsky and Hutch.  Anyone remember that show?

No face down restraint is warranted.

Where does it say that?  Oh, thats right, I forgot, we are all expressing our opinions.  Yes, I agree, face down is a little rough, but the floor was carpeted and maybe the kid was given the option to be forced down on his ass or face.  Maybe that should be made part of the procedure so atleast the kids have some control and an option.  What do others think?

What an utterly disgusting human being.  ^^^^That was in response to this (although I have no idea who the child actually was)...

I don't post here much. I was security guard at the program TheWho sent his kid to. I was able to smuggle out some hidden video of an incident involving his daughter...

http://www.heal-online.org/Takedown.mpg

RalphF

Yeah right Anne, The guy claimed he had video tapes of my daughter.....  lol  ... you should read this stuff before you put it out here, Anne.



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[Anne Bonney]

Yeah right Anne, The guy claimed he had video tapes of my daughter.....  lol  ... you should read this stuff before you put it out here, Anne.



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I said I have no idea who the child was.  Does it make it OK if it wasn't your daughter?

[Troll Control]

My daughter slipped back to almost square one.  The reason , as I found out later, was there were so many options and no restrictions and she wanted to try everything she couldnt when she was away.  No one spoke her language, so there was no support from her peers.
But under a year she bounced back, the difference was the program she was in taught her and supplied her with tools (i.e. communication, knowing she could make good as well as bad choices, she had the power to change herself etc.)We were able to sit, make eye contact and talk about how we were feeling and this hepled bring us and the family back together again.
So hang in there and keep trying, the tools the school gave her are still there.

There's that regression again.  Took a year to "bounce back."  I can understand that after being held against her will and exposed to Rudy Bentz for 16 months.

[Whooter]

Poor DJ, you are so desperate.  You have been scouring this database for 2 days now and you cant find any inconsistencies with the story of my daughter.  I have stated hundreds of times the same story over and over again and it is bugging the crap out of you.

If you can find where I said anything different just post it.  Why mask it in a manifesto of posts and quotes like above?  Just give us the link to read!

You need to find some new footer material, build that back up to 3 or 4 links lol.


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[Whooter]

Yeah right Anne, The guy claimed he had video tapes of my daughter.....  lol  ... you should read this stuff before you put it out here, Anne.



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I said I have no idea who the child was.  Does it make it OK if it wasn't your daughter?

No, but that is what I was responding to.  The guy claimed he had video of my daughter.  How would you take it if someone said they had video of your daughter.  This is why you need to read more than just one post or "sound bite" and consider we were in thewho thread.



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[Anne Bonney]

Why do you think some people find it fun or acceptable to make fun of a program parent?

One that refuses to accept what they've done?  One who continues to shill for said program?  You bet your sweet ass I do!

Look Anne you are quoting from "TheWho" Thread. It was a total troll/flame war there.  You need to read through the thread not just take out one sound bite.

Mmmm hmmm....that's why I'm periodically providing the links (thanks Ursus for the lesson!) so people can go back thru and see how much bullshit you spewed while anon.

It was total mayhem and it was fun!  DJ was quoting and talking to himself too as were others, it was his 2nd most posted thread.

If I were in a thread where we were having a serious conversation then I would look at it more closely, but thewho thread was a trash dump of flame wars.

Yep, there was plenty of that.  It doesn't discount what you did and posted.

[Whooter]

Ha,Ha,Ha  I just realized that "thewho" thread was bumped up again.  Oh No!!  We may hit 5,000 posts this time around.



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[Troll Control]

Shut the fuck up, loser.  You're fucking troll and that's it.  Just look at the posts that you have here.  You are a SICK FUCK.  Some of this shit you've written literally makes me sick to my stomach.  Assuming people's identities to pose as them and post all sorts of nasty shit.  What the fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU???  You can't justify what you have done here and you will never be allowed to post anything without being confronted with it.  People here are going to hold you accountable for your sick behavior.

[Whooter]

Why do you think some people find it fun or acceptable to make fun of a program parent?

One that refuses to accept what they've done?  One who continues to shill for said program?  You bet your sweet ass I do!

Look Anne you are quoting from "TheWho" Thread. It was a total troll/flame war there.  You need to read through the thread not just take out one sound bite.

Mmmm hmmm....that's why I'm periodically providing the links (thanks Ursus for the lesson!) so people can go back thru and see how much bullshit you spewed while anon.

It was total mayhem and it was fun!  DJ was quoting and talking to himself too as were others, it was his 2nd most posted thread.

If I were in a thread where we were having a serious conversation then I would look at it more closely, but thewho thread was a trash dump of flame wars.

Yep, there was plenty of that.  It doesn't discount what you did and posted.

Ah Yes there was lots of BS in TheWho thread.  Thats why it was created.



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[Troll Control]

Right there, asshole.  "Regressesd like a slingshot" and "didn't talk to (you) for two years."  Don't forget "took five years to graduate high school" and "dropped out" and "didn't go to college."  Yeah, that's nothing alright.  Fucking loser scum.


Posted by Deborah » Fri Jan 12, 2007 7:33 pm

Who,
Did you participate in the survey?
Is your daughter considered on of Aspen's successes?

No I dont think so.  I filled out a follow-up of some sort but it was short, not much feedback was asked for, so I dont think it was a survey.
I dont know if she is considered one of their successes or not.  We had a show contact us and asked if we would be interested in being interviewed.  But we didnt do it.

Oh that's right. She was in the 98% who fail, and go back to drugs, then moved away and didn't speak to you for two years.
But, hey, she did catch up academically, which please you, but then never went to college.
That does sound like the typical success story.

Hmm...  not sure where that is coming from or means.  I think that you asked me if I filled out a survey or not.  Guess I should have stuck to "No"

Mmmm. Got it from you

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#163947
But anyway my daughter would fall into your 98% who go back to drugs (statistically) but long term the kids that finish at ASR do much better. Academically she was way ahead when she returned

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... &start=435
There basically isnt any and she regressed like a slingshot as soon as she got home and wanted to experience everything she missed. I.e. smoked cigarettes, smoked pot., drank, stay out late etc. but after a few weeks she realized there were things she wanted to do with her life and started to move on. She still drinks and smokes pot etc, but in moderation.

http://www.fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.ph ... ter#160456
Exactly what happened. My daughter moved to NYC and I only heard from her once in 2 years, still never went to school.

Then Whooter circled back and changed it to say how great their communication was.

On 2006-01-01 13:11:00, Anonymous wrote:
"not if they are living in YOUR house without paying rent, bills....If you don't want to follow the rules, get a job, get your own place, fix your own meals, figure out your own transportation, have your own life.  And finally be happy following your own rules."

My daughter came home and had a difficult transition.  She initially went back with her old friends but eventually got bored with them and moved on.  I was worried for awhile but we communicated with each other and new she was in a good space.

Last edited by TheWho on Wed Jan 17, 2007 7:51 pm, edited 1 time in total.

There you have it.  PROOF POSITIVE that Whooter has been lying all along about his daughter's "success" at Aspen.  Must be that fiduciary interest driving his congenital lying.

[Whooter]

Shut the fuck up, loser.  You're fucking troll and that's it.  Just look at the posts that you have here.  You are a SICK FUCK.  Some of this shit you've written literally makes me sick to my stomach.  Assuming people's identities to pose as them and post all sorts of nasty shit.  What the fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU???  You can't justify what you have done here and you will never be allowed to post anything without being confronted with it.  People here are going to hold you accountable for your sick behavior.

Ha,Ha,Ha  Calm down DJ, you are still pissed of that I tricked you into exposing your 3,700 anon posts?  No going back now.  Almost every post was pointed at me in your obsession.  You spent 5 years chasing a ghost, DJ.  Do you realize that?

How many times did you tell all of us that you only had had 10 anon posts?  Now we see you have 3,700.  You posted mostly anon and under various aliases and now you find it tough to point fingers at others.


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[Anne Bonney]

Shut the fuck up, loser.  You're fucking troll and that's it.  Just look at the posts that you have here.  You are a SICK FUCK.  Some of this shit you've written literally makes me sick to my stomach.  Assuming people's identities to pose as them and post all sorts of nasty shit.  What the fuck IS WRONG WITH YOU???  You can't justify what you have done here and you will never be allowed to post anything without being confronted with it.  People here are going to hold you accountable for your sick behavior.

Ha,Ha,Ha  Calm down DJ, you are still pissed of that I tricked you into exposing your 3,700 anon posts?  No going back now.  Almost every post was pointed at me in your obsession.  You spent 5 years chasing a ghost, DJ.  Do you realize that?

How many times did you tell all of us that you only had had 10 anon posts?  Now we see you have 3,700.  You posted mostly anon and under various aliases and now you find it tough to point fingers at others.


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Translation.....someone else did it so that makes it OK that I did.

Just give up already.  After this, I don't think even your most ardent supporters would line up to back you.

[Whooter]

Right there, asshole.  "Regressesd like a slingshot" and "didn't talk to (you) for two years."  Don't forget "took five years to graduate high school" and "dropped out" and "didn't go to college."  Yeah, that's nothing alright.  Fucking loser scum.

Ha,Ha,Ha you dont have the post because it never existed.  You think you can string along a manifesto with links assuming no one would read it and think you were telling the truth.

Show us the post that supports your thoughts that my daughter didnt talk to me for 2 years.  lol

You should calm down a little, DJ, my daughter did fine.  All those past posts you just read prove that and it bugs the crap out of you.  You have actually added validity to my facts, thank you.  Thanks for screening through them all, DJ.



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