The Who

[TheWho]

So, your problem isn't your memory, it's your habit of constantly lying that's caught up to you.

Believe me DJ, no matter how hard you try to paint me?.I am never going to join you at your level . We will leave that area to you?speaking of which... So you are still sticking with your facts that they have no licensed counselors?  No licensed Therapist?  Breaking the law?

They may be guilty of not using recycled paper?  I could look into that for you if you like?

[Troll Control]

If I was considering having my son or daughter attend ASR I would simply ask to speak with the Therapists, get their names and give them a call and get comfortable with them as I did.  I wouldn?t rely solely on what some person named ?thewho?, ?Dysfunction Junction? or ?Milk gargling death penalty? told me from the internet.

That advice is not adequate. According to HLA, they had 42 Masters Level Counselors, Certified teachers, and an MD, among other things.....

Turns out they had one licensed professional, teachers weren't certified and some were crossed utilized (violation of SACS accreditation), some (even management) had degress from diploma mills, and get this, the MDs license had been revoked because he stold drugs for his own use.

One has to do their own research IF it's important to them.

Good point, Deb.  These places lie like rugs.

At HLA the "licensed therapist,"  "Dr." Sisk, was actually not a doctor at all - he got his degree for a $5000 payment to an unaccredited diploma mill.  He wasn't a doctor, nor was he licensed, but, hey, HLA didn't care about those type of details!  As long as they said he was a doctor, that was good enough.

All the while he was employed the owner was saying "Don't worry about it.  Everything's fine."

So, you'll have to forgive some of us who live in the real world, Scooter, if we can't take what you or ASR or some anonymous ASR supporter say for the truth.  

Provide the names of the people you call "licensed counselors" and we'll verify with the state to see if you're accurate.  No big deal.  Just give the names of the ones you claim to have "proven" are licensed and we'll follow up with the state.

[Troll Control]

Scooter Libby Jr. said:

"Believe me DJ, no matter how hard you try to paint me?.I am never going to join you at your level ."

Just stating the obvious, Scooter.  

To join me at my level you'll first require some semblance of a college education, a functioning cerebrum, and honesty.  I'm quite sure none of those are going to come to pass.

Now how about those names of the counselors you have "proven" to be licensed...?

[TheWho]

DJ Wrote:

Provide the names of the people you call "licensed counselors" and we'll verify with the state to see if you're accurate. No big deal. Just give the names of the ones you claim to have "proven" are licensed and we'll follow up with the state.

The burden of proof is on your end.  I would not put their names on this site.

You are trying to make the readers believe that they have no licensed counselors or therapists and have been in business for 10 years.  The 1,000's of kids who attended and their parents know otherwise.

Let me give you an example, DJ, If someone were to say to a group that they looked out the window last week and the sky was blue, the group would probably shrug their shoulders and say, sure okay.  Then you said you looked out the window and it was bright red, I believe the group would have a raised eye brow and would ask for some further proof, like maybe a photo.

So my point is that schools typically have employees who are licensed and degreed and ASR is no exception.  If you are trying to convince us that this is not the case, knock yourself out.  You were provided with an up to date status and you don?t believe it? so you need to roll your sleeves up and prove the school wrong.
I think the parents reading will understand this also and I suggest they call the school if they want to get more comfortable with specific credentials, as I did.  That way they don?t have to rely on my information or yours.

[Troll Control]

Scooter Libby Jr. said:

The burden of proof is on your end. I would not put their names on this site.

Whoa...Hold on a sec here Scootie-pie.  You've been saying for two days now that you "proved" ASR's counselors are licensed (you originally said "all of them" but since backpedaled to "some" and can't even name those ones).  How did you "prove" it?

If you're going to reverse the course of logical arguments as they've been held since the time of Socrates, I guess that's fine, as the research has already been done by Deborah.

Here's the facts:

ASR has two licensed providers out of a staff of eleven listed on their website.

Now, Scooter, what was so hard about that?

[Deborah]

So they have3 or 4 additional staff who seem qualified and are waiting for the next available test period.   It is good to see ASR continues to train and push for their staff to further their education and get licensed.  It shows they are responsible and dedicated to the kids and a continuous positive growth process.

What a steaming pile.
Who are the 3 or 4 waiting to take the test?
In the meantime,
Assoc Dir of Counseling, Michael Valuski's (MA is Criminal Justice, certified Drug and Alcohol Addictions Counselor) has been there since August 2004.
Director of Counseling, Frank Bartolomeo's (The Clinician spoken of) has been there since Jan 2005.
Clearly, they've missed a few testing opportunities.  :question:

When are exams held?

Mental Health Counselors:
The National Clinical Mental Health Counseling Exam (NCMHCE) is administered four (4) times a year in Massachusetts. Applicants register for the exam on their own without pre-approval from the Board. Contact the Board for dates and registration information.

Marriage and Family Therapists:
The National Marital and Family Therapy Examination is held twice a year during testing windows. You must submit an application and an official transcript to the Board in order to sit for the exam. The Board determines your eligibility to take the exam based on your education. Click here to download an application.

Rehabilitation Counselors:
The Rehabilitation Counselor examination is the national exam administered by the Commission for Rehabilitation Counselor Certification (CRCC) twice a year in the spring and fall. You must submit an application and an official transcript to the Board in order to sit for the exam. The Board must pre-approve you to take the exam. If you are already a nationally certified CRC, you do not need to take the exam. Click here to download an application.

Educational Psychologists:
All candidates must contact the Educational Testing Service at (609) 771-7395 for National School Psychology Examination (ETS/NTE Test #40) dates and registration information.

Social Workers
The examinations are offered on a daily basis by the Association of Social Work Boards--a national organization which sponsors the exam for most licensing jurisdictions. Prior to scheduling an examination you must be "pre-screeened" for licensure. You may download the application and all necessary forms on our website.

Psychologists
How often is the Jurisprudence exam given?
The Jurisprudence examination is offered daily. Once approved by the Board, applicants can schedule their examinations through PCS. PCS will mail all approved applicants the required scheduling form. If your application was approved prior to November 2004, please contact the Board office so that your approval information can be sent to PCS.

How often is the National Exam (EPPP) given?
Massachusetts has adopted the computerized version of the EPPP exam. Once approved by the Board, candidates can take this exam on a daily basis through Professional Credentialing Services (PCS).

[TheWho]

DJ,  You came thru!!!  So we agree that ASR has licensed staff!!!  This is a huge break thru for you, knew you would come around.  
So lets see, you said you reviewed their web site and checked the backgrounds yourself or Deborah did and found 2 of the counselors who were licensed.  When was the web sight updated?  Do you typically find websites to be up to date?  I am not saying they are not, just asking the question.  

I have some information that is current this week:

?they have 4 licensed staff 2 licensed social workers, 1 licensed drug addictions counselor and 1 licensed mental health counselor. they have 3 or 4 counselors waiting for the next test?

So there seems to be a discrepancy between our numbers.  If it was me I would check with the school, the web site could be six months old who knows?

So now that we have this, what are the regulations?  How many licensed counselors does a school need?

[RobertBruce]

Here's the easiest way to settle the matter.

http://www.parentcheckin.com/staff_pict ... 4F2D70%7D#

That is the entire staff list for ASR.

http://license.reg.state.ma.us/public/l ... lue&board=

That is the search engine for professional licenses in Massachusettes.

Just run every person who has a title of "counselor" or therapist" through the search engine and see if a license comes up.


Or I could save you the trouble.

Not a single one of them did.

In fact the only person on there with a position related to counseling who did come up is our old friend Ralph Cohen, who according to the state of Massachusettes has an expire licensed that he cannot renew.

So then we are left with the fact that ASR apparently has no licensed counselors of any kind. They have unlicensed staff performing not just individual counseling, but group therapy as well.


There is no question this illegal, let's get on it.

Oh and Cindy, just to move the conversation forward I went ahead and ran a search for a "Dr. Anna" as well, there are currently three Dr. Anna's operating in Mass. Their names begin with C, L, and M respectively. Run a search and see if any of them ring a bell for you.

[RobertBruce]

DJ, You came thru!!! So we agree that ASR has licensed staff!!!

Licensed staff perhaps, none however who are licensed to be providing therapy.

Look it up yourself Cindy its all right there in front of you. Just make sure you set the search engine to Psychologist.

[Deborah]

DJ Wrote:

Provide the names of the people you call "licensed counselors" and we'll verify with the state to see if you're accurate. No big deal. Just give the names of the ones you claim to have "proven" are licensed and we'll follow up with the state.

The burden of proof is on your end.  I would not put their names on this site.
You are trying to make the readers believe that they have no licensed counselors or therapists and have been in business for 10 years.  The 1,000's of kids who attended and their parents know otherwise.

The burden of proof in on DJs end, but you are withholding the information necessary to prove anything. That is just sooo program of you. Why wouldn't you put their names on Fornits. It is public information, as is their licensing status with the state of Mass.

More WhoLogic:

So my point is that schools typically have employees who are licensed and degreed and ASR is no exception.  If you are trying to convince us that this is not the case, knock yourself out.

You were provided with an up to date status and you don?t believe it? so I want you to roll your sleeves up and prove the school wrong.

Prove the "school" wrong? When did that become the issue? Are you implying that the anon poster was a spokesperson for ASR? And that was proof? The current staffs status has already been posted. 2 of 11 licensed.

I think the parents reading will understand this also and I suggest they call the school if they want to get more comfortable with specific credentials, as I did.  That way they don?t have to rely on my information or yours.

They shouldn't rely on the staff/"schools" information either. Best to check for themselves. If they are discerning, they will access the links to state agencies that has been provided.

Another question while we're on the topic. What is Aspen's definition of "Clinical Counselor".  Only a few of the bios list their education/ degrees. I assume these are the people leading the Group Therapy and issuing consequences, what HLA called Peer Group Counselors.

[TheWho]

Stooge ? The school is in Massachusetts not Connecticut.  

The man has an active license!

http://profiles.massmedboard.org/MA-Phy ... sp?ID=7087

you people are fumbling all over yourselves.  If you are going to try to make a school look bad at least double check your sources.

This is why I don?t believe any of your back ground checks?. Of course they don?t have licenses if you check the wrong state or if they moved from one state to another they will let their license expire in the old state

Parents:  Check with the schools, don?t believe this stuff,  it is loaded with agenda!!!!!

[Ganja]

Parents:  Check with the schools, don?t believe this stuff,  it is loaded with agenda!!!!!

Yes I'm sure they will tell the whole truth about their program; they won't try to cover anything up or anything....

[Deborah]

Stooge ? The school is in Massachusetts not Connecticut.  
The man has an active license!
http://profiles.massmedboard.org/MA-Phy ... sp?ID=7087

you people are fumbling all over yourselves.  If you are going to try to make a school look bad at least double check your sources.

This is why I don?t believe any of your back ground checks?. Of course they don?t have licenses if you check the wrong state or if they moved from one state to another they will let their license expire in the old state

Parents:  Check with the schools, don?t believe this stuff,  it is loaded with agenda!!!!!

I think he's really lost it now.
Wouldn't it be a hoot to find out that Who is actually a bored mental patient who has no experience with the industry. Just stumbled onto Fornits one day, read up on the industry and has been trolling ever since.

[TheWho]

Deborah wrote:

Are you implying that the anon poster was a spokesperson for ASR?

No, he called the school and got a status, I'll search for the link to the guest post  if you need it.

Are you suggesting that any information has no validity unless it comes from an ASR spokesman?

So parents personal accounts, graduates personal accounts, kids who left after a few months, ex counselors etc. ? all their voices have no place here and cant be believed?

Personally I think we need to listen to everyone and then make a personal judgment.  If we need more information or are a little unsure then I suggest calling the source.

[Anonymous]

LESS ARGUING WITH THE TROLL, MORE RESEARCH.