The Who

[TheWho]

This entire thread adds no value to anything or anyone. It's just a bunch of nonsense iterated and reiterated by Who (and s/he has obviously no idea what s/he's talking about). Why not just repeat nursery rhymes for 115 pages? It adds the same value as what Who puts up here.

I disagree I think it given many people a chance to sound off for and against many issues in the teen industry.  There has been, I admit, many wasted posts on petty arguments, but I feel these people have a right to post also.  It sounds like you are new here.  There are many other threads that go on and on with seemly no reason, but they do serve a purpose to those posting there.

I also see that Who believes that criticism adds no value. Sounds like Bush to me. Dumb as a bag of rocks and stubborn as a mule. The notion that critical thought has no place and adds no value in debate is laughable and underscores Who's complete lack of education and understanding.

On the contrary, I think criticism has been one of the motivators here.  We initially had some disagreement on whether TBS?s are safe or not and this drove a few of us to start pulling some numbers together.  The table was constructed and input and criticism was what drove it to improve by adding references and double checking numbers etc.
I believe staying the course based on old or nonexistent data is being ?dumb as a bag of rocks? as you call it.  Basing ones decision on experiences that occurred in the 1980?s and refusing to look at recent data is really short sighted and only serves to mislead the parents and in the long run hurt the children.  
If parents knew you where basing you opinions and giving advice on places that existed 25-30 years ago, I think they would move on, y0u need to constantly update and take fresh looks from new perspectives and that is hopefully one thing that I am providing.

Time to move on to something that actually matters. This thread is 115 pages of utter garbage.

There are a few threads that I followed for awhile that went stale for me so I just stopped reading them.  There isn?t any reason to read a thread you don?t like or have interest in, that?s why they have names so that you can chose the ones you like.
There are parents who come here for the first time and haven?t seen the data or discussion and I think for them it may be interesting.  I have received some interesting feedback.

[Troll Control]

our math gurus to run an interpolation of the data to estimate the numbers as they would fit into our year.

Again, interpolation involves fixed data points, not estimations of data points.  Fire your gurus and yourself.

[TheWho]

Better fire those "guru's"

Ha,Ha,Ha,  you sound like my staff during an audit when half of them are trying to dance their way through explaining how the numbers apply to the business questions.  The math ?Gurus? have no business sense ( I agree) so it is difficult to communicate with them sometimes on what we need which drives our staff nuts so we assign one person to do all the communication between the 2 departments.  Most of the problems and discrepancies we have had were not due to the "Math gurus", as we call them,  so firing one of them is few and far between, its usually my staff people who screw up.

[TheWho]

Here I will make it easy for you:

"Interpolation is a mathematical method of creating missing data."
Our fiscal year is say April thru March and we receive data from a subsidiary that works to a different time frame, maybe different hours or criteria and we need to fill in the blanks to meet our format.  We ask the Gurus to interpolate the data for us to meet our format (or fill in the numbers)
We are not looking for predictions of future results.

[Ganja]

Fellahs.. Seriously.. It ain't the who. Bob and friends need to back up and check themselves.

They do afterall keep feeding the troll.

That's what I'm saying.

[TheWho]

Fellahs.. Seriously.. It ain't the who. Bob and friends need to back up and check themselves.

They do afterall keep feeding the troll.

That's what I'm saying.

I need to agree with Ganja, I could get a ton more done here if I wasn?t pestered with questions that don?t apply to the subject matter.  Let?s stay focused.  I would appreciate it that if you don?t like the subject here to go Troll some other thread....

We are presently working the latest year,  I have researched 63 names for this time period and have only received a handful from outside sources.  If anyone can help fill in the blanks feel free to contribute, Here is where we stand:

July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides  and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides  (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2003 thru June 2004  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,437 Homicides and 1,285 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open, 63 names reviewed)*

TBS -- Therapeutic Boarding Schools
NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet news articles, posts and PM?s

[Troll Control]

Here I will make it easy for you:

"Interpolation is a mathematical method of creating missing data."
Our fiscal year is say April thru March and we receive data from a subsidiary that works to a different time frame, maybe different hours or criteria and we need to fill in the blanks to meet our format.  We ask the Gurus to interpolate the data for us to meet our format (or fill in the numbers)
We are not looking for predictions of future results.

If you're trying to insult people by "making it easy" for them, at least provide the correct information.

Let me make it easy for you:

Interpolation is "the process of defining a function that takes on specified values at specified points."

Notice "specified values" and "specified points" are not "missing data."  By definition, the data points are specified, not estimated.  This is why you should stick to things you know, of which math, data and statistics do not belong.  Fire yourself.

[TheWho]

Not insulting just correcting you

Here is another definition for interpolation:

Filling in unknown values in a sequence by examining known values.

[Troll Control]

You're really insulting yourself.  

The definition you provided is not germane to statistics; it is the definition for interpolation as it relates to [/i]creating missing pixel data[/i] from a digital image.  Now you're treading directly on my profession.  The more you say, the more you destroy your own credibility.  Fire yourself.

[Troll Control]

I think your problem (Who) is that you are just trying to cover your ass to try not to look so stupid.  But, if you can't distinguish between pixel data and statistical data, why the hell are you holding yourself out as an expert?  Makes no sense to anyone who knows anything about either discipline.

[TheWho]

ahmmm..  no not pixels, the business world.... here I found a link for you....as an example:

http://www.investorwords.com/2573/interpolation.html

[Troll Control]

Just because you pull a definition from a business website doesn't mean that you understand the definition or that it applies in the way you suggest (to business).

In statistics: Interpolation is the calculation of the value of a function between the values already known.

I'm pretty sure you don't know what a function is or how interpolation works, but, again, it only applies to known data points.  Without known datapoints, interpolation isn't possible.

Notice that interpolation is used to calculate a function and not datapoints.

Once more, you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Troll Control]

"Interpolation is a mathematical method of creating missing data."

This is the definition you gave before you started backpeddling.

Note that this definition applies directly to, and only to, digital imaging whereby missing pixel values are determined by analyzing surrounding pixel data.

Reference for you:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls= ... n&ct=title

"Interpolation is a mathematical method of creating missing data. An image can be increased from 100 pixels to 200 pixels through interpolation. There are many methods of interpolation, but one simple method would be to generate a new pixel by using the average of the value of the two pixels on either side of the one to be created."

So, you took the definition directly from digital imaging because you don't know any better and are simply scrambling searching the internet for a definition that will "prove you right," i.e. that interpolation creates datapoints (which occurs ONLY in digital imaging).  You're so obsessed with being right that you keep digging your credibility hole deeper and deeper.  You're just making yourself look bad and destroying any believability about what you're doing with you data.

Once more, this is my profession.  I know full well when someone doesn't know what they're saying, just like someone who speaks English knows when someone else is speaking a language other than English.

You're out of your league and over your head.  It's best that you just admit you have no idea what you're talking about because anyone who does know what they're talking about knows that you don't

[TheWho]

Notice that interpolation is used to calculate a function and not datapoints.

Why is this so hard for you to understand?  Yes it does use datapoints !!  why are you arguing this?  Ha,Ha,Ha.  You say I am being critical but you keep coming back with the wrong information.

One more time:

Here is another look at it, a definition and a link for you:

In engineering and science one often has a number of data points, as obtained by Sampling or experiment, and tries to construct a function which closely fits those data points.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpolation

[Troll Control]

Boy, you can't read.  I said interpolation cannot create datapoints and deals with only known datapoints.  I think I said this at least five times.  So, yes, it does deal with datapoints - EXISTING ONES.

You're just not very smart or you can't read.  Not sure which.

You insisted that interpolation, as it relates to statistics, CREATES datapoints.  This is not correct.  You are not correct.  No matter how many times you stamp your feet and cry, you are still WRONG.