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Offline RobertBruce

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« Reply #1650 on: February 14, 2007, 05:00:57 PM »
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Not sure, I don?t know these people personally or followed their case.

So you dont know how these kids died or who killed them but youre sure they dont count? Wow Cindy you sure do seem thorough.



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If I shot someone while they were tied up and submitted a video of it to the police.

Again youre deflecting the question. I asked you if you would be brought up on charges if a child in your care died in a manner similar to how these kids died. To my knowledge none of the kids who have died in the PTS died as a result of being shot. Most of them were restrained to death. Thats what Im asking you if you could get away with in the public sector.

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No, I think the nutritionist should be charged for feeding the asst. too much

You dont know if that place even had a nutritionist. Many of them do not. Even if it did however you bringing it up is simply an attempt to employ one of your red herrings. Don't get upset because I paint you into a corner with your own arguments. Stay calm and focus. Should the asst. counselor have been brought up on charges for killing the kid? Yes or no?

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?.remember this is America.

So....then we're free to kill children?

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Of course not, I am not the owner of the school or have the same resources they do. I would handle it differently. If I had a school I would utilize the established procedures set up for that instance if none existed I would go with what I knew to be best for the child.

Fair enough, with that in mind though do you believe that all of these owners have whats best for the child in mind?

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The Kids

Doubtful. Again all youve done so far is to dismiss their deaths and discount their experiences.

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Some

Really where are they?

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Some do

They do? Where? Post the link. So far the only one Ive seen is CCM, who is a certifiable troll, and even she disappeared. No one seems to be in your camp Cindy.

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Because I think I can help some of these kids

Think it all you want Cindy, it doesnt make it so.

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No, I think others could benefit too

What others? Other brainwashed program devotees I suppose. Other than youre not going to find anything. Bear in mind that your data is inaccurate, incomplete, and misleading. Also keep in mind that youve changed your criteria multiple times, and changed your data. No one looking for an objective truth is going to give any creedence to your nonsense Cindy. Sorry but youve destroyed your own credibility.

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That?s okay

Well so long as your okay with I guess thats all that really matters. As it stands though you cant seem to back up that these followers you have even exist. The predominant theory on the board currently is that youre insane and these people are all in your head. That seems to be the most likely.

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I disagree

Really? Explain to me then how giving to charity helps kids locked up in the PTS?

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Yes it does

Again explain to me how giving of your time helps kids locked up in the PTS?


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Agreed, no guarantees either way.

Once again you're wrong. You seem to forget Cindy I was locked up in one of these places. I did suffer at the hands of it. I can guarantee that based off my own experiences and that of others that advising someone to go there is not the "right direction". I know what goes on in these places, you don't. Remember that.

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Well, considering the source, I take that as a pat on the back. Thanks.

Youre welcome. Don't forget my data is accurate and doesnt exclude pertinant information. Yours is just a mess.


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What you call dismiss, I call not fitting the parameters.

Your parameters Cindy, no one elses. Recall I asked you how you were qualified to determine what information parents need and what information they dont need. As of yet youve been too afraid to answer that question.

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Eventually they will be counted when we get to their category


No, today is fine.
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« Reply #1651 on: February 14, 2007, 05:16:33 PM »
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You should read it, Deborah, the data is for at school and away from school (CDC data).  I will add a note indicating the data comes from CDC also and provide a link for those who are interested.

I have read it, and there is a discrepency between the numbers provided by NCES and CDC.
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
See what you get.


Yes, I did see this.  2 things contributed to the discrepancy.  The age group formatting that the CDC offers in their web site doesn?t allow you to match the same as NCES.  The CDC offers options (1-4, 5-9, 10-14, 15-24 etc.). The NCES covers the ages 5 thru 18.  So the NCES probably asked for a custom report from the CDC.

Secondly, the reason my numbers were revised is that the NCES changed their parameters last year from (5 thru 19) to (5 thru 18), so the tables are different year to year depending on your search criteria (I hope they fix this soon).  I revised my numbers a couple of days ago.
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« Reply #1652 on: February 14, 2007, 05:23:17 PM »
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Your parameters Cindy, no one elses. Recall I asked you how you were qualified to determine what information parents need and what information they dont need. As of yet youve been too afraid to answer that question.


My parameters and those of the NCES and CDC, yes..........Because I am a parent and a parent who has experienced a child in some of these situations and a child who went thru a TBS...
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« Reply #1653 on: February 14, 2007, 05:23:25 PM »
So then again how can you be sure the data is reliable?
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« Reply #1654 on: February 14, 2007, 05:26:19 PM »
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So then again how can you be sure the data is reliable?


Good question.  you are using it too.... you could ask the NCES and CDC for a reliability study or to clarify their process of collection.  Thats one option.
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« Reply #1655 on: February 14, 2007, 05:39:30 PM »
Or you could since you brought it up. The source of the information concerning the deaths in the PTS doesnt come from NCES or the CDC.

So I guess thats one more thing showing your data to to be inaccurate. Perhaps you could take some time and try and gather some accurate information and then return to the discussion. Until then its pretty pointless for you to continue.
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« Reply #1656 on: February 14, 2007, 05:43:06 PM »
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Or you could since you brought it up. The source of the information concerning the deaths in the PTS doesnt come from NCES or the CDC.

So I guess thats one more thing showing your data to to be inaccurate. Perhaps you could take some time and try and gather some accurate information and then return to the discussion. Until then its pretty pointless for you to continue.


Hmmm... Okay so you dont use NCES or CDC data in any of your reporting or tables?  Interesting...
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« Reply #1657 on: February 14, 2007, 05:45:38 PM »
See, I utilize them for comparison purposes, I note it at the bottom.  Thought you did too..sorry, my mistake


Remember this applies only to TBS?s (not group homes and hospitals etc.)

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s
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« Reply #1658 on: February 14, 2007, 05:46:41 PM »
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My parameters and those of the NCES and CDC,

Well in reality you don't know what the parameters are, hence why you have to change your information. Add that to the fact that we've established the information to be inaccurate. I think we can toss that out without any further issue.

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..........Because I am a parent and a parent who has experienced a child in some of these situations and a child who went thru a TBS...


None of these things in any way qualify you to determine what parents need or what information should be available to them. Its simply your own arrogance, stupidity and delusions that lead you to believe you somehow have the authority and wisdom to determine what information parents deserve to have.
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« Reply #1659 on: February 14, 2007, 05:51:05 PM »
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Hmmm... Okay so you dont use NCES or CDC data in any of your reporting or tables? Interesting...


Funny....I didnt claim any such thing. I simply stated the data regarding the deaths in PTS's doesnt come from NCES or the CDC. Pay closer attention next time.
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« Reply #1660 on: February 14, 2007, 05:52:05 PM »
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See, I utilize them for comparison purposes, I note it at the bottom.  Thought you did too..sorry, my mistake


Remember this applies only to TBS?s (not group homes and hospitals etc.)

So I am simply comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000 [/u]

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)& (CDC)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
CDC -- Centers for Disease Control and Prevention
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s



Cindy all you have to say is you're not sure. There's no shame in it really.
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« Reply #1661 on: February 14, 2007, 05:57:52 PM »
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You should read it, Deborah, the data is for at school and away from school (CDC data).  I will add a note indicating the data comes from CDC also and provide a link for those who are interested.

I have read it, and there is a discrepency between the numbers provided by NCES and CDC.
http://webapp.cdc.gov/sasweb/ncipc/leadcaus10.html
See what you get.

Yes, I did see this.  2 things contributed to the discrepancy.  The age group formatting that the CDC offers in their web site doesn?t allow you to match the same as NCES.  The CDC offers options (1-4, 5-9, 10-14, 15-24 etc.). The NCES covers the ages 5 thru 18.  So the NCES probably asked for a custom report from the CDC.


Inaccurate. You can search any age range at CDC. What you can't search for is June of one year to July of another year. CDC compiles data for each year Jan-Dec. I'd be interested to know how the NCES acquired data in that format.
And when the day's done. There are still 140+ dead kids who may still be alive if they hadn't received 'treatment'.
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« Reply #1662 on: February 14, 2007, 06:05:37 PM »
Wow, it seems TheWho can be "high maintenance" around here.

Speaking of maintaining highs...... :lol: :smokin:
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« Reply #1663 on: February 14, 2007, 07:49:49 PM »
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Inaccurate. You can search any age range at CDC. What you can't search for is June of one year to July of another year. CDC compiles data for each year Jan-Dec. I'd be interested to know how the NCES acquired data in that format.



I know when we run reports and acquire data and our fiscal year doesn?t align properly with the data we are receiving from some of our suppliers or a few of our subsidiary companies, for various reasons (i.e. they have a different closing month than we do, they collect data with different parameters etc.) we ask for a custom report from them so we can submit it and keep our CPA's happy otherwise we get some of our math gurus to run an interpolation of the data to estimate the numbers as they would fit into our year.

Sorry this is long (and really boring to me also), but the point is that it is standard practice to footnote this interpolation at the end of your presentation and since this wasn?t done by NCES it is a good assumption that they received a custom report to suit their own parameters.  Going any deeper would require us to be involved in their business decisions which I am sure they don?t have time nor any inclination to share with us.

I wouldn?t feel comfortable adding a footnote to my table indicating the NCES probably received a custom report or interpolated the data to suit their parameters, unless they released this information to me formally.

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And when the day's done. There are still 140+ dead kids who may still be alive if they hadn't received 'treatment'.


That?s what we are here for!  Lets find out where they are safe and where they are not and plug the holes, expose the places that put the kids in danger?..compiled data (as a start) goes a long way in digging out the problem areas.
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« Reply #1664 on: February 14, 2007, 07:59:37 PM »
WITHOUT REPLIES, THE TROLL DIES.
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