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« Reply #1545 on: February 13, 2007, 09:42:42 AM »
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Making fortunes for the owners?
I don?t think that would be his next choice?.

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Which we all known is not. We do agree on this.


I disagree; I think he believes shutting down HLA will help the kids, but I believe the drive is personal.  I personally dont think it is time well spent in the larger picture.
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« Reply #1546 on: February 13, 2007, 10:42:49 AM »
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What I typically suggest to people prior to presenting any results is to put an asterisk after the data which may need clarification or where some assumptions were made so the reader can understand where the data has come from or based upon.

Maybe something like this * - This is a rough estimate as too how many kids are locked up and is based on a consensus taken at a secret meeting on such and such a date?

Something along that line

But Cindy, you're posts are chock full of assumptions. Where are your asterisk's?

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As I was collecting data for the July1, 1999 thru June 2000 time period, you provided me with several data points which did not fit and Candace Newmaker was one?.. about halfway down the page.

http://fornits.com/wwf/viewtopic.php?p=244162#244162

I provided you with several data points that fit, they just dont go along with your agenda. You still seem to be under the impression that you can dictate the terms of conversations on here Cindy. Despite any imaginary debates you might have had the truth is you set your own rules and then expect others to follow them. Sorry Cindy, it just doesnt work that way.

As it stands though you still havent answered the question. I asked you to provide a link to a post in which I claimed Candance was at a TBS.

I'm still waiting on you to do that.



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If this girl is being used in your data set I would clarify that she was at a private home at the time receiving attachment therapy by a nurse?..this was way outside my established boundary conditions and it is not clear what your conditions are and whether or not she fits into your set.

See this would be another example of you needing to spin data. She was in the private home of an unlicensed theraputic nurse who was an employee of a theraputic institute for children. The parents paid the institute not the nurse as some sort of private contractor as you are attempting to make her appear to be. Because the services were provided by a private theraputic institute it belongs in the PTS. Whether you agree with this or not in inconsequential.


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If you feel I was unjust in my review of the data just ask. If you have a name you feel should be in my list throw it on the table and lets take a look at it. I believe I used the same rules of acceptance that the NCES used.


You mean you assumed you used the same rules of acceptance that the NCES used. The reality is you don't know, nor are you interested in finding out. To respond to your comment though I see no reason to rehash data that's already been established. All of the names on my list belong on the list, your acceptance is not required or needed, simply because my list is more accurate than yours. As to new data I will present any names that should be included and they will be. Again your acceptance is not needed, you have repeatedly shown yourself to be pushing your agenda and uninterested in learning the truth.
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« Reply #1547 on: February 13, 2007, 10:50:31 AM »
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Ignoring any problem doesn?t make it go away, especially child abuse. If you believe the problem is focused on one or a couple of schools then great, state that and focus on the problem. If you feel the entire industry is abusive then focus on the entire industry.
Shutting one school down is like pulling a dandelion after it has seeded or not getting the root (root cause) many more will spring up else where. This is very ineffective and doesn?t do the kids any good. If one believes the system is abusive then y0u need to identify and attack the root cause of the problem (seed the entire lawn as you will). Work on making it more difficult to open up new schools or work with the states/government to insist in minimum standards or work to enforce over sight etc.. But spending ones entire professional career trying to close one school smacks of personal agenda, time could be much better spent elsewhere if the children?s safety truly where the top concern.



Perhaps you're uninformed so I'll take it upon myself to educate you. Without naming names I can tell you with absolute certainty that several posters on fornits were the sole driving force behind forcing HLA to apply for licensure as a theraputic boarding school. These people were the only reason this occured. Having done so should HLA remain open it will inevitably be a safer place for it. This is the first one of these places in the country to be forced to apply for licensure without new legislation having been passed. This sets a new precedent that will have ramifications throughout the country.


Now what have you done to make these kids safer?
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« Reply #1548 on: February 13, 2007, 10:51:22 AM »
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I disagree; I think he believes shutting down HLA will help the kids, but I believe the drive is personal. I personally dont think it is time well spent in the larger picture.


Again you assume. Where was your asterisk this time Cindy?
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« Reply #1549 on: February 13, 2007, 10:58:23 AM »
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Making fortunes for the owners?
I don?t think that would be his next choice?.

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Which we all known is not. We do agree on this.

I disagree; I think he believes shutting down HLA will help the kids, but I believe the drive is personal.  I personally dont think it is time well spent in the larger picture.


If you're talking about my motives, you're, once again (surprise!) wholly incorrect.

Shutting down HLA will stop kids from being actively abused and future kids from suffering the same fate.  HLA is, in fact, abusive and fraudulent - these facts are already proven.  What "value" does HLA "add" to the families they rip off and abuse?  

BTW, HLA is only one program I have researched and that has been objectively determined to be abusive and I am actively engaged in shutting down these other facilities as well as working with oversight agencies and local/state/federal governments to reform a very rotten, corrupt industry - HLA is only one piece.

Of course my desire to see children removed from abusive situations is personal.  What else could or would it be?  However, your assumption that I need to "get back at HLA" or that I am "disgruntled" are, of course, just made up by you so that you can try to bolster your own untenable position by trying to discredit everyone who has shown that you are terribly misguided and ignorant (which is everyone other than you yourself).

The facts are that I was treated very well at HLA.  I was given nice raises and promotions.  All I had to do to keep that money coming and keep my job stress free was to look the other way while HLA abused children in their care, hired phony clinicians with diploma mill degrees, neglected all aspects of the kids' education and defrauded the families.  Now, Who, I know that because you are motivated solely by profit, this will be lost on you, but for anyone else reading, I was bound by an ethics code to first do no harm and to provide the best possible care in the least restrictive environment.  I'm not sure that you are able to process what "ethics" are though, Who - you lack scruples of any kind.

So, what were my choices?  One, look the other way and ignore child abuse, as the Who has recommends, or two, first resign, then report any and all ethical/professional violations to the proper authorities so that the children would be protected from abuse and neglect.

Again, Who, please help me to understand how stopping active child abuse is the wrong thing to do and why I should "forget" about childrens' suffering in the name of 'helping kids and parents.'  Maybe it's just me, but I don't understand your thinking.

And, let me reiterate for anyone coming late to the thread, TheWho knows absolutely nothing about my particulars, my career or me personally, so all he's doing is trying to paint me (and anyone else who may interfere with unfettered profiteering from child abuse and neglect) as some kind of crackpot with an agenda.  He's got one part right - we do have an agenda, but it is the most sane, pure and rational agenda that anyone could possibly have: to stop the wholesale abuse of children.  What's wrong with that?

Let me also remind readers that TheWho has no education whatsoever in Psychology or Social Work and has no business delving into the arena of mental health care, even though he will present himself as some sort of authority (his only experience comes from locking up his own daughter in an abusive, level-system, LGAT facility called ASR - after which his daughter immediately returned to her "old behaviors" and "old friends" and stopped talking to him for two years - he still says it 'saved her').

Just letting you know who you're dealing with, folks.
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« Reply #1550 on: February 13, 2007, 11:12:31 AM »
I agree...

Such a waste of time & energy.
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« Reply #1551 on: February 13, 2007, 11:16:53 AM »
I'm reminded of a movie I once saw I think it was called 'Braveheart' or something along those lines. Anyway there's this scene where Mel and the gang are fighting the English who are bringing heavy calvary, of which the Scotish have almost none. They deal with this predicament by fighting the calvary with long spears waiting until the past possible second when the riders are almost upon them and thereby impaling the horses and winning the battle.


Cindy keeps coming because he's crazy enough and stupid enough to believe he's right. I say let him come.

After being owned so many times his delusions will only stretch so far.

Trust me he'll be gone soon.
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« Reply #1552 on: February 13, 2007, 11:29:11 AM »
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Cindy keeps coming because he's crazy enough and stupid enough to believe he's right. I say let him come.

After being owned so many times his delusions will only stretch so far.

Trust me he'll be gone soon.

Conversely, I see him continuing to type on incessantly until one of you dies or something...   :rofl:
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« Reply #1553 on: February 13, 2007, 11:33:34 AM »
Is anybody here actually "licensed" in the fields they profess to be so knowlegeable in?
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« Reply #1554 on: February 13, 2007, 11:33:40 AM »
I don't think so although we can hope.

My feeling is that Cindy is the kind of person who has to be right and has to win all the time.

When he finally realizes he can't, he'll leave and pretend none of this ever happened.
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« Reply #1555 on: February 13, 2007, 11:35:30 AM »
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Is anybody here actually "licensed" in the fields they profess to be so knowlegeable in?

No, because I'm not yet fully legal in the country I reside in.
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« Reply #1556 on: February 13, 2007, 11:36:47 AM »
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Cindy keeps coming because he's crazy enough and stupid enough to believe he's right. I say let him come.

After being owned so many times his delusions will only stretch so far.

Trust me he'll be gone soon.
Conversely, I see him continuing to type on incessantly until one of you dies or something...   :rofl:


I think this is the more accurate assessment.  He's sitting there at home, unshaven, in a bathrobe, glued to his workstation waiting for someone to post so he can respond.  This is why his thread has 15,000 views - he checks it compulsively all hours of the day and night.  It truly is a sickness.

Remember back when TheWho was insisting that everyone else had no life due to their time spent here, even going so far as to "prove" that I have no life because I was "closing in on 2000 posts."  TheWho now is closing in on 2000 posts - proof positive that he indeed has no life... :roll:

Whatever, though.  This thread is entitled "TheWho" so why not talk about him here, in his personal monument to his own inefficacy and inadequacy?
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« Reply #1557 on: February 13, 2007, 11:37:46 AM »
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I don't think so although we can hope.

My feeling is that Cindy is the kind of person who has to be right and has to win all the time.

When he finally realizes he can't, he'll leave and pretend none of this ever happened.

But the thing is, RB, is that you too are that kind of person (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Maybe you two should take a nice skiing trip together or something. :lol:
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« Reply #1558 on: February 13, 2007, 11:38:17 AM »
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Robert has been saying every day for weeks now the Who is on the run and he is still here.


Reminds me of a certain president.  


ma fella fornitscators, The who.. is in his.. last throes...  in other words... he is on the run...  victory is close... ma fella fornitscators.  we will not let the terrist Osama bin Who win!  it's just gonna take a little mar taam ma fella fornitscators.. jis trus me on this.  okay...
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« Reply #1559 on: February 13, 2007, 11:40:56 AM »
When this thread reaches 2000 posts I am going to come back and quote this. I am guessing 2 months until then.
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