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« Reply #1500 on: February 08, 2007, 07:29:37 PM »
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What did I freaking tell you people?



Ha,Ha,  
Ooo?Oooo  What did I tell you people, it was just a matter of time before I exposed the ?who? and he runs away? Remember it was me,  me.. RobertBruce who did it? I get all the credit.. nobody else?. I did it all myself? I exposed him for who he was and he will leave for 6 months and go to Russia just like he did last year in shame? I shamed him just me?and he went away????I win twice! thats Two times??Dam, life is good??.

Sorry, just checking in? I forgot my keys,  I am only going away to get electric shock er, Dam backspace doesnt work  I mean.. skiing for a couple of days? loosen up Bob.
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« Reply #1501 on: February 08, 2007, 07:38:13 PM »
WTF?
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« Reply #1502 on: February 08, 2007, 08:00:53 PM »
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What did I freaking tell you people?


Ha,Ha,  
Ooo?Oooo  What did I tell you people, it was just a matter of time before I exposed the ?who? and he runs away? Remember it was me,  me.. RobertBruce who did it? I get all the credit.. nobody else?. I did it all myself? I exposed him for who he was and he will leave for 6 months and go to Russia just like he did last year in shame? I shamed him just me?and he went away????I win twice! thats Two times??Dam, life is good??.

Sorry, just checking in? I forgot my keys,  I am only going away to get electric shock er, Dam backspace doesnt work  I mean.. skiing for a couple of days? loosen up Bob.



Yikes. Cindy it looks like you need this "vacation" badly. Take some time for yourself, get your mind straight. Youre letting me and this site get to you a bit too much, this electroshock is just what you need. When you get back in either a few days or six months as it may be we can talk again. Till then, take care of yourself Cindy.
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« Reply #1503 on: February 09, 2007, 09:25:08 AM »
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Aha?come on DJ?tell us how you really feel?data is only as good as the source ?. I have collected mine from NCES and court decisions and links and data received here on fornits?..I am sorry the data doesn?t support your opinions.  They are only hard numbers at this point.  I am trying to be as clear as possible......I am not claiming the data to be representing the entire industry, just TBS's:

Here take a look what I have so far:

I am attempting to change the layout (so bear with me) to facilitate easier comparison from year to year and clarify where the source data comes from.  Here is a first cut.

Remember this applies only to TBS?s (not group homes and hospitals etc.)

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present
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July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,140 Homicides and 1,928 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,059 Homicides and 1,890 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 2,053 Homicides and 1,777 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  (No data accumulated as of today)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s


You miss the point.  If you'll kindly read back through this thread, you'll see I haven't challenged your precious 'data.'

To me, it's just drivel.  Your baseline assumptions drive your quest to find data that fit your preconceived notion.  This is flatly unscientific and invalidates your 'data.'  Also, you don't have the slightest clue about what statistics are, how they are used, or the regressional analysis thereof.  

So, I just don't get involved in your latest boondoggle because I already know from your faulty logic and nonexistant ability to apply statistical models and understand their significance that you're engaged in pure folly.  Have fun with that!

Just harken back to our discussions about clinical studies and your utter inabaility to fathom what they are and what they mean.  This should tell you all y0u need to know about your current "study." :roll:
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« Reply #1504 on: February 09, 2007, 10:41:54 AM »
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"I am not claiming the data to be representing the entire industry, just TBS's"


Can't believe I missed this on first blush...

So, you're now claiming that your 'data' is a representative sample of the TBS industry?  You've got a lot to learn, Who.  I can't see a peer review of your work in your future, my friend.
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« Reply #1505 on: February 09, 2007, 11:23:35 AM »
Oh, I'm not.  Just dispelling TheWho's notion that I'm upset that his 'data' doesn't support my 'opinion.'

The reality is that I couldn't care any less about this nonsense.  Objective reality demonstrates that kids die in programs and that programs don't work.  

So, would you pay an egregious amount of money for a product that doesn't uphold its implied warranty of merchantability and may kill you to boot???  I wouldn't; therefore TheWho's argument is just drivel, as previously stated.
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« Reply #1506 on: February 09, 2007, 12:05:10 PM »
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and restated again and again and again before that by everyone else.

Hey since you are bent on restoring balance to the force could you tell me what exactly qualifies a LCSW to conduct therapy sessions? I've wondered about that one for a while and haven't been able to get much in the way of answers.


Here in NY, the requirements to be an LCSW are as follows:

The practice of licensed clinical social work and the use of the title "Licensed Clinical Social Worker" and the designation of "LCSW" or derivatives thereof in New York State requires licensure as a licensed clinical social worker, unless otherwise exempt under the law.

To be licensed as a licensed clinical social worker (LCSW) in New York State you must:

be of good moral character;
be at least 21 years of age;
have an education that includes a masters degree in social work (M.S.W.) with at least 12 semester hours of clinical coursework;
have at least 3 years of post M.S.W. supervised experience in clinical social work;
meet examination requirements; and
complete coursework or training in the identification and reporting of child abuse offered by a New York State approved provider.

You must file an application for licensure and the other forms indicated, along with the appropriate fee, to the Office of the Professions at the address specified on each form. It is your responsibility to follow up with anyone you have asked to send us material.

The specific requirements for licensure are contained in Title 8, Article 154, Section 7704 of New York State Education Law and Part 74 and Section 52.30 of the Regulations of the Commissioner of Education. Copies of the relevant sections of NYS Education Law and the Commissioner's Regulations are also available from opforms@mail.nysed.gov or 518-474-3817 ext. 320.

An LCSW is basically an MSW with beefed up clinical training and experience.  They are fully qualified to provide therapy.  

I am a (former-no longer practicing) LCSW with a BA in Psychology and an MSW with tons of clinical continuing education and experience.  

Many facilities will hire an LCSW over an MA (Psy) because an LCSW is considered a 'terminal degree' and the holder of such is able to receive third-party reimbursement for services (get paid by insurance), while an MA can provide therapy under the guidance of a licensed provider, but cannot bill a third party.

I cannot speak intelligently on regulations from other states, but NY is typically among the strongest in requirements for licensing.  Other states will have different regulations.
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« Reply #1507 on: February 09, 2007, 12:33:37 PM »
No, the coursework is very different.  You can look at the disciplines of Sociology and Psychology to illustrate the contrast.

Generally speaking, Sociology approaches problems from a "systems" point of view, i.e. the subject is having difficulty fitting into the societal framework due to systemic problems in that society, while Psychology will examine the subject in terms of personal pathology.

In practice, there is a big overlap in these views and it's not cut-and-dried.  Any pshrink worth his/her salt will understand that the environment shapes the subject powerfully and any MSW will likewise understand that individual pathology is a powerful force that impacts one's ability to assimilate into social systems.
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« Reply #1508 on: February 09, 2007, 01:01:51 PM »
Well, four years of psychology classes (double-major in sociology), two years of graduate work in social work, 30 continuing education credits in clinical psychology and ten years of experience working directly with patients.

All that said, there are many people who have these credentials and make poor therapists.  Some just lack the intuitive insight necessary to help patients, some are only good at coursework, but not the application thereof and some are just plain too dense to do the job.  

So, I think you need to view the degrees as a prerequisite that don't necessarliy lead to a "good" therapist, but must necessarliy be in place to have any chance at success.
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« Reply #1509 on: February 12, 2007, 10:01:44 AM »
Thanks for stopping in DJ,  I think what you were trying to say is Regression analysis, as it is better known as in statistical circles and no we are not there yet, we are looking at the raw data at this point.  If any of us need advice on Social work or being a begrudged ex-employee you will be the first we will ask, for statistics we will rely on ourselves and get advice from other professionals in the field as we deem it necessary.

Now before I left we were looking at 2001 thru 2002 and no data was found from the sources that I am working with, but the datasets will be left open because there are more areas to research and some people have not checked in yet.  So I have set up the data set 2002 ? thru 2003.  Note that the NCES is reporting their data as preliminary,  some of the causes have not been determined or there are trials still pending or in progress, they have revised their numbers over the past year.  So these numbers have and can change.

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Remember this applies only to TBS?s (not group homes and hospitals etc.)

So I am simple comparing a child?s safety at a TBS (24 hours per day) vs not being at a TBS (24 hours per day)
We have this data to present to date
:
July 1, 1999 thru June 2000

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,537 Homicides and 1,415 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 2 suicides.*
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July 1, 2000 thru June 2001  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,466 Homicides and 1,493 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 1 suicide.  (Data set still open)*
 
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July 1, 2001 thru June 2002  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,468 Homicides and 1,400 suicides (NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

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July 1, 2002 thru June 2003  

Outside a TBS: -----There where 1,515 Homicides and 1,331 suicides [/b](NCES)
Inside a TBS --------There where 0 Homicides and 0 suicides.  ( Data set still open)*

NCES ? National Center for Education Statistics (preliminary)
* - Data found here on fornits, internet new articles, posts and PM?s
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« Reply #1510 on: February 12, 2007, 10:04:30 AM »
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Regression analysis


An unfortunately apt term to look at the industry with.

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« Reply #1511 on: February 12, 2007, 10:44:14 AM »
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" If any of us need advice on Social work or being a begrudged ex-employee"


Well, of course you don't need advice on mental health care, social work or otherwise.  Your program gives you that advice. :roll:   As far as being a "begrudged" employee, I'm not sure where you get your information from.  I do recall, however, that you stated you fired from a long string of jobs for precisely the behaviors you exhibit here.  Reminder:  You were fired from several jobs, not me.

I think it's funny that because you have no idea what you're talking about you try to slight me personally, pecisely what you admonish others for doing.  You must have learned that from ASR.

Logical fallacy alert:  TheWho is using ad hominems again rather than defending his position which, by the way, I made no comment upon.  

Good job, Who, you're still at a level below the high school debate team.  Come back and argue with me when you have established an academic baseline commensurate with the level of the concept you're discussing.
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« Reply #1512 on: February 12, 2007, 10:56:20 AM »
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"you will be the first we will ask, for statistics we will rely on ourselves and get advice from other professionals in the field as we deem it necessary."



Still consulting with those voices in your head...?

Just a nugget for you:  There is no "we."  There's only you repeating yourself over and over and over and over... (well you - singular- get the idea).

Carry on.
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« Reply #1513 on: February 12, 2007, 11:31:33 AM »
DJ Wrote:
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Well, of course you don't need advice on mental health care, social work or otherwise. Your program gives you that advice??..Logical fallacy alert: TheWho is using ad hominems again rather than defending his position which, by the way, I made no comment upon..


Boo,Hoo?. TheWho isn?t playing fair?.he made light of me and my career/advice, and we don?t do that here on fornits?..so I will label him as one who uses ad Hominems.

 Sorry to rile you up DJ?. If you want to comment on the data, please read it and understand it first.  Throwing around a few statistical words, you looked up, makes you look foolish.  My point was that you should stick with your social work advice!

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I do recall, however, that you stated you fired from a long string of jobs for precisely the behaviors you exhibit here. Reminder: You were fired from several jobs, not me.


Yes, DJ, and I moved on each time and eventually realized I couldn?t work for anyone else, so I started my own string of businesses.
You spend your time in the past trying to punish and inflict pain on the people in your last position.   This isn?t healthy and until you accept who you are and why it didn?t work out in your last job you wouldn?t be able to move forward.
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« Reply #1514 on: February 12, 2007, 11:31:43 AM »
Oh Cindy, I thought this weekend getaway to Bellreeve was going to be just the thing you needed. Instead you return full of hostility, more delusions, and more voices screaming even louder in your head than before.

I'm going to call your doctor and see if we can't up your dosage.

I'm worried about you Cindy, I spoke with your daughter this morning but she said you could die for all she cared. I know thats got to make things harder for you.

Maybe we ought to try some good old fashion confrentational therapy? Do you think that would do you some good?

You need to accept that there is no reason for you to use the term "we". There is no "we" for you Cindy, there is only "I". No one believes your faulty data, no one believes your propoganda, no one buys into your bullshit and you have no credibility.

Accept it.
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